Jump to content

  • Podcast: Jason Taylor Interview  

  • Podcast: Jason Taylor Interview 

Farewell Sam Weideman


DeeSpencer
 Share


Recommended Posts

5 hours ago, picket fence said:

Right outa left Field ....set Smith up as a forward to crash packs and take the odd speccy! Totally Flawless Logic.... Oh and Weeds is like the Graham Bonnet song right now "Its all Over Now Baby Blue" probably one of WCW s most favourite songs I could imagine! And Ahhh also one of mine! No Doubt Uncle Bitter would be a "Warm Ride" Fan as well, but just pure conjecture!😁

Hey! Why drag me into this??? 
Anyways I don’t like either of those crappy songs. Except ‘Warm Ride’ when sampled by The Avalanches, an awesome Melbourne band. 

I feel so bad for Weids. Every time he plays I will him to put in a great game - as most of us do - and I hate when he has yet another disappointing one. Last year I read somewhere that sometimes when he’s playing terribly, at halftime he’ll be in the rooms vomiting. This is heartbreaking. ☹️

  • Love 3
  • Sad 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites


1 hour ago, mo64 said:

Rubbish. At least BBB attacks that ball in marking contests, and makes some effort once it hits the ground. I suggest you watch the replay. Weid was not interested in making second efforts.

I saw him lay good follow up tackle at one stage. I think Weid is a very limited footballer, but I think this was just a very quiet game rather than a very poor one. I'm happy to watch the replay, although to me I can understand why tv coverage would make a quiet game look much worse

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Hey! Why drag me into this??? 
Anyways I don’t like either of those crappy songs. Except ‘Warm Ride’ when sampled by The Avalanches, an awesome Melbourne band. 

I feel so bad for Weids. Every time he plays I will him to put in a great game - as most of us do - and I hate when he has yet another disappointing one. Last year I read somewhere that sometimes when he’s playing terribly, at halftime he’ll be in the rooms vomiting. This is heartbreaking. ☹️

Agree WCW with the vomiting in rooms thing if true. Hnmm The Avalanches eh, might have to check them out!

  • Like 1
  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

We can debate the causes as much as we like, but Weed sadly will never be the player we need him to be (or the player he could be).

Is it confidence? Is it lack of application? Is it skill limitations? It could be some of it or all of it. But this year was the year he needed to push either one of BBB or Tomald out of the team, and it hasn’t happened.

It was admirable that he backed himself in when he re-signed for two more years. Career wise, it’s probably stuffed his market value. A move to Gold Coast, Collingwood or North would have been doable considering where those clubs were at. GC17 have Chol and Casboult functioning well (and King to come back). The Pies are flying and will be looking to recruit to win a flag. Does North want help for Zurhaar and Larkey? It’s a big if.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 hours ago, one_demon said:

Weideman looks like a player who's confidence and belief are shot to pieces 

I've never seen a player look more dejected after kicking a goal. Especially, a goal to give his team a near unassailable lead...in a big game...leading up to a premiership defence.

Weid is on record (circa 2020) talking about underperformance in 2019 being attributable to struggling to manage the weight of expectation that came after his 2018 finals series. 

The view that a lack of desire explains his inadequate intensity are off the mark IMO. I imagine he's desperate to succeed - why wouldn't he be - and being unable to do so gives rise to negative emotions that further impairs performance. Reminds me of a batsmen in cricket suffering a form slump who then loses confidence and subsequently can barely hold a bat. 

  • Like 4
  • Thanks 1
  • Love 1
  • Thinking 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

55 minutes ago, speed demon said:

I've never seen a player look more dejected after kicking a goal. Especially, a goal to give his team a near unassailable lead...in a big game...leading up to a premiership defence.

Weid is on record (circa 2020) talking about underperformance in 2019 being attributable to struggling to manage the weight of expectation that came after his 2018 finals series. 

The view that a lack of desire explains his inadequate intensity are off the mark IMO. I imagine he's desperate to succeed - why wouldn't he be - and being unable to do so gives rise to negative emotions that further impairs performance. Reminds me of a batsmen in cricket suffering a form slump who then loses confidence and subsequently can barely hold a bat. 

Think this has to be a major factor. IIRC a poster with good mail on here stated around mid-season that the club was looking to move him on at the end of the year. This is despite having a year to run on his contract, indicating the club has lost faith in him. Can't imagine he would be in a good head space, particularly as it looks like he has only been selected as a last resort. The pressure he must be placing on himself, to not only keep a spot in the team but stay at the club and save his career, must be immense.

  • Like 4
  • Sad 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Not going be too critical of his performance on Friday. it was dirty night for key forwards. He, Taberner and Lobb did bugger all in the conditions. I expect Weid would be much better against the pies if we don’t have a repeat of the rotten weather. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


15 hours ago, picket fence said:

I don’t mean to start a war, but this version is not as good as Them’s. comparing Graham Bonnet’s voice to Van Morrison’s is not going to end well for Graham. 

I will probably be enjoying some kind of jazz-cigarette this evening, and will be willing to write some kind of pointless thesis on the whole matter soon afterwards , if requested. 😉
 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

The Avalanches eh, might have to check them out!

Given your stated musical preferences, I'm not sure if they would be your cup of tea, PF.  This early song of theirs would be a good starting point.  If you like it, I'd recommend "Frontier Psychiatrist" as the next stepping stone.

Their style could be described as electronic and they make extensive use of samples.  In this song, they used something like 3,500 vinyl samples!

 

 

  • Love 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I have been one of his critics since early on. However it is now plainly obvious that he is not a senior level talent it is time to stop the bulling  and shaming on here. Sam would appear to be a nice guy and I am sure he is trying his best. It is unfortunately not enough. I feel sorry for him. Let's get off his back. 

  • Like 13
  • Thanks 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, old dee said:

I have been one of his critics since early on. However it is now plainly obvious that he is not a senior level talent it is time to stop the bulling  and shaming on here. Sam would appear to be a nice guy and I am sure he is trying his best. It is unfortunately not enough. I feel sorry for him. Let's get off his back. 

People will get off his back when he starts playing like the top 10 pick he was (not going to happen), or when he is delisted.

He is paid to do a job and is not performing that job to anything like the level that would be expected. That's his fault, nobody else's.

  • Like 1
  • Facepalm 1
  • Angry 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

22 minutes ago, old dee said:

I have been one of his critics since early on. However it is now plainly obvious that he is not a senior level talent it is time to stop the bulling  and shaming on here. Sam would appear to be a nice guy and I am sure he is trying his best. It is unfortunately not enough. I feel sorry for him. Let's get off his back. 

I’d say that is a pretty fair assessment.

The draft is not a guarantee of outcome. Plenty of top ten picks have not made the cut, and I’d say Sam will fulfil that criteria with us.

A good, though not entirely analogous, role model for Sam might be Paddy McCartin. While his issues were borne from entirely different causes, a change of environment has changed his career from being a contender for biggest draft bust of all time (fairly or unfairly) to at least being a solid at the back end of his career.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sam has lost all confidence at present and looks like he is second guessing everything that he does certainly not using his attributes to his or our advantage. Comeon Sam the clock is ticking and time and tide wait for no man.😢😪

Edited by DeeZone
Modified tone
  • Thanks 1
  • Sad 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

58 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

Given your stated musical preferences, I'm not sure if they would be your cup of tea, PF.  This early song of theirs would be a good starting point.  If you like it, I'd recommend "Frontier Psychiatrist" as the next stepping stone.

Their style could be described as electronic and they make extensive use of samples.  In this song, they used something like 3,500 vinyl samples!

 

 

I’ll never forget the organiser of a very big Victorian music festival (which is still going) describing them as “Jive Bunny with a Mooks endorsement” after watching their set. 

  • Haha 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Well .... Listening to the radio yesterday Carey and co. were discussing McStay asking for 700k for a trade to Collingwood.
Carey was asked who would be better ... Weid or Mcstay.
Answer was Weid.
McStays output numbers didn't stack up to his pricetag.

Just sayin'.

My opinion ....
Until the football dept thinks VR is worthy of a game the Weid stays in.

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

53 minutes ago, faultydet said:

He is paid to do a job and is not performing that job to anything like the level that would be expected.

I totally agree with this statement but remember it is our expectations that he has not lived up to.  Weid didnt ask to be picked in the top 10.  Our expectations and the clubs initial assessment are clearly wrong.  For someone who has been in the system for so long I cannot comprehend how easily he is pushed off the ball.

  • Like 1
  • Sad 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

Well .... Listening to the radio yesterday Carey and co. were discussing McStay asking for 700k for a trade to Collingwood.
Carey was asked who would be better ... Weid or Mcstay.
Answer was Weid.
McStays output numbers didn't stack up to his pricetag.

Just sayin'.

My opinion ....
Until the football dept thinks VR is worthy of a game the Weid stays in.

Weid  - who’s never really established himself as an AFL footballer - is better than McStay, who crashes packs and tackles very well for a tall, hence the price tag (with a 20% free agency tax).

That might be the dumbest thing Carey has said since he suggested Carlton trade pick 1 for Tyson, Frost and Bugg 

Weid stays in until Ben Brown is right to go. Which is likely Friday.

  • Like 2
  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Just now, Jontee said:

I totally agree with this statement but remember it is our expectations that he has not lived up to.  Weid didnt ask to be picked in the top 10.  Our expectations and the clubs initial assessment are clearly wrong.  For someone who has been in the system for so long I cannot comprehend how easily he is pushed off the ball.

It's Jack Watts all over again. We draft a tall kid with supposed skills who we expect will "fill out" and grow into the physical aspects of the position that we recruited them to play. Weid has no mongrel. Zero. It shows every time he runs 2m under the ball when someone is on his hammer. I'd call it something far less flattering, but that would certainly get me a ban. And if memory serves it was his "courage in the air" that had our team choose him over others.....

It's an ongoing weakness in our recruiting team. We seem to be ok at identifying defenders and very good at mid size players, but give us a crack at picking a tall forward and they seem to fall apart. Lets hope V.R is a notable exception.

 

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

35 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

Well .... Listening to the radio yesterday Carey and co. were discussing McStay asking for 700k for a trade to Collingwood.
Carey was asked who would be better ... Weid or Mcstay.
Answer was Weid.
McStays output numbers didn't stack up to his pricetag.

Just sayin'.

My opinion ....
Until the football dept thinks VR is worthy of a game the Weid stays in.

5 Goals yesterday vs a 1 possesion lucky goal game.

Right now I would prefer Van Rooyen, Mitch Brown, Tomlinson, hell even Joel Smith up forward. Sorry but unfortunately he wont make it at Melbourne. IMO

Edited by picket fence
  • Like 3
  • Sad 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, faultydet said:

Weid has no mongrel. Zero.

I wouldnt actually say zero  but what happened to the mantra of recruits having to be aggressive contested ball players.

 

12 minutes ago, faultydet said:

We seem to be ok at identifying defenders

Barely.  If you consider talls the only one is Harrison Petty.

(For another time but are we any good at drafting talls?)

  • Like 1
  • Thinking 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 minutes ago, Soidee said:

Weid has tried and simply has not progressed.  Finished at MFC!

Not sure how anyone can say he's finished. He's not in great form and is potentially destined to always be more of a backup 22 player, but he's needed on our list IMO. Our other KPF stocks are aging and injured (Brown and McDonald), young (Roo) or on the way out (Jackson). 

Unless we somehow flush ourselves with walk up 22 quality tall stocks Weid is not finished imo

  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Fork 'em said:

Well .... Listening to the radio yesterday Carey and co. were discussing McStay asking for 700k for a trade to Collingwood.
Carey was asked who would be better ... Weid or Mcstay.
Answer was Weid.
McStays output numbers didn't stack up to his pricetag.

Just sayin'.

My opinion ....
Until the football dept thinks VR is worthy of a game the Weid stays in.

If your choice is between Weid and McStay; you need to leave the store.

We’re not shopping for Valentine’s gifts here.

Edited by rpfc
  • Like 1
  • Haha 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Whispering_Jack changed the title to The Sam Weideman Thread
  • Demonland changed the title to Farewell Sam Weideman

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    TRAINING: Wednesday 1st February 2023

    PICKET FENCE'S TRAINING REPORT REHAB  Clarry, Max, Farris-White, Melky, Matt Jefferson, Jakey Lever, Joel Smith & 1 Other I couldn't place. Glad to see the Club being ultra cautious with Clarry's thumb BUT the fact he is still troubled with it is worrying (God I hate Selwood) Got there at 10.50 to see Full match Simulation Game between the Blues and the Whites. Quite clearly the Blues were the A Team and the Whites were the possibles. Some interesting faces in the white Team h

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Monday 30th January 2023

    PICKET FENCE'S TRAINING REPORT NO SHOWS JACK VINEY, MATT JEFFERSON, CHRISTIAN SALEM. Also Did not see ADAM TOMLINSON  INJURIES MODIFIED DUTIES MAX, JOEL SMITH, ANB, AMW,( NO 47 Not sure who ) and during training CLARRY ( More on this latter)  SKILLS , DRILLS AND MANOUVERS After warm ups and Run Throughs, players broke of into 3 Groups doing a variety of Close in Handball through traffic to hit clean target with players pressuring. One on one groundh

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Wednesday 25th January 2023

    DEMONLAND’S TRAINING REPORT Rehab Group: Lever (in runners but kicking the ball well and seems to be moving well), Max (not present), Melksham, Howes, AMW, J Smith - then later joined by the following not participating in contract drills/Match SIM - Brown, Spargo, D Turner, Verrall, Adams  Stafford was out early with Grundy & Verrall doing ruck drills.  White Guernseys: May, Bowey, Trac, JVR, Rivers, Sestan, Nibbler, Kozzie, Grundy, Hunter, Harmes, Fritsch, Laurie, Jord

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Monday 23rd January 2023

    WIZARD333'S TRAINING REPORT I went down and it was locked out for first hour but could see through fence then allowed in. Max Gawn ran laps — it looks like a 3 to 4 week injury. Andy Moniz-Wakefield ran laps. Blake Howes was taken off late as was on restricted minutes. Adam Tomlinson loudest on track and a leader - surprised me but won't be in best 25. Jake Lever on bike and walking up n down stairs, yelling out as he does. Melky copped a niggle so ran laps but

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Friday 20th January 2023

    TOUGH KENT'S TRAINING REPORT I journeyed out to Casey today and was fortunate enough to watch two quarters of match simulation. Here is a brief rundown of random occurrences/thoughts. First of all, there was no Jake Lever (ankle) or Joel Smith involved. AMW is still in rehab and was running strongly. It was Blue (Probables) v Red (Possibles) JvR was in blue. Ben Brown, T-Mac, Hibbo and Tom Sparrow were in red. Gus Brayshaw started at half back for blue and stayed there all game.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Wednesday 18th January 2023

    DEE ZEPHYR'S TRAINING REPORT Morning all. First time at Goschs for a while, there’s a scoreboard set up which I’ve never seen here before. Possible match sim? Williams yelling out to players to get their hands off hips during drills. Gus looks fine to me. Absolutely., first two mins of match sim and his kicking is exquisite on both sides. He’s moving incredibly well.  Some observations from a match sim drill that lasted about 15-20 mins. The purpose se

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Monday 16th January 2023

    STINGA'S TRAINING REPORT Went with a friend to watch training this morning.  They have 3 sets of temporary grandstands set up next to the rooms for spectators and get a good view of everything. Fritsch was the only absentee and J Smith was on the bike for the whole session. Everyone in their own numbers except JVR in 44,   Kye Turner is 47 and Burgoyne 33. Started off with goal kicking which has been described before. Then an agility routine where where they ducked aroun

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Friday 13th January 2023

    REDLEGS23'S TRAINING REPORT Got to training about 9:50 & headed off by 11:30. Rehab / Light Drills: • Jed Adams • Kyah Farris-White • Will Varrall • I think i spotted Joel Smith, but could be wrong. The above doing light drills. Andy Moniz-Wakefield & Trent Burgoyne doing seperate laps / runs for the whole session. James Harmes, Angus Brayshaw & Steven May all started with the main group but then progressed to light duties / laps for the remainder of th

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Wednesday 11th January 2023

    WAYNE WUSSELL'S TRAINING REPORT Haven’t noticed Oliver, Petracca and Hunter, just about everyone else accounted for. Petracca here! J Smith striding out in rehab. BB taking lots of shots on goal after session marking in goal square v Stafford Younger players tending to float short passes to leading forward (D Smith, 33, 39, KF-S) while Petracca, Viney, Kossie, ANB shoot hard and low bullets Harmes, Verall, & Adams doing agility, ball handling JVR stand out in te

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...