Farewell Sam Weideman

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26 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

That's the point, and it's reflected in his contract and selection. He's depth, but some here don't seem to have caught up with that and are still judging him against his draft order from 7 years ago.

Yes but is he even decent depth?

[Willmoy1947 4,140]

1 hour ago, loges said:

So Sam is a part time ruckman who is there to compete but can't win the ruck, only takes the occasional mark when playing forward. So what do people think he offers going forward because as soon as Max and Dogga are back there's no place for him.

..and by the way who plays next week?

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One thing Weed can’t say is is hasn’t been given his chances.

He has just failed to grab them more often than not.

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34 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

That's the point, and it's reflected in his contract and selection. He's depth, but some here don't seem to have caught up with that and are still judging him against his draft order from 7 years ago.

He isn't even AFL standard in any capacity, he'd be a bust if he was taken at pick 50, 7 years ago

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9 minutes ago, loges said:

Yes but is he even decent depth?

Has played 8 games this year, so would suggest he's been useful.

[mo64 5,881]

Not sure why some people are bringing Ben Brown's form into the discussion. Weid hasn't shown he can play BBBs role when given opportunities.

I have more confidence in BBB turning his form around than Weid playing as a KPF. Same thing applied when T Mac was struggling. Weid was an inadequate replacement, and T Mac came good.

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21 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Has played 8 games this year, so would suggest he's been useful.

In about 2 games.

[old dee 23,872]

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Has played 8 games this year, so would suggest he's been useful.

Most of those are because of injury. He is a vfl  talent pure and simple. He is getting games because of injuries. He has been selected the last two weeks because there was no one else. If DAW had not quit he would have been at Casey the last two weeks. 

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1 minute ago, old dee said:

Most of those are because of injury. He is a vfl  talent pure and simple. He is getting games because of injuries. He has been selected the last two weeks because there was no one else. If DAW had not quit he would have been at Casey the last two weeks. 

That's the whole point of him being depth.

 

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46 minutes ago, old dee said:

Most of those are because of injury. He is a vfl  talent pure and simple. He is getting games because of injuries. He has been selected the last two weeks because there was no one else. If DAW had not quit he would have been at Casey the last two weeks. 

We seem to win when he plays

[Engorged Onion 10,223]

Hmmm, if we win the premiership this year, does Sam's contribution come into it? Or Bedfords?

Just like 2021? He played his part...

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4 hours ago, old dee said:

Says it all loges, the Casey ruckman would make a better competition. 

But that is really the issue .There wasn't a ruckman on the list available from Casey  .Gawn Jackson Daw and even Turner wern't available so it fell on Weed.Next pick for the centre square would have had to be one of the Browns and that would have been a challenge .At first blush Weed appeared to have done badly .He lost the hit outs 48/11 and dropped more marks than the 2 he took .However he contested to the extent that the Crows talls never controlled the game .Their hitouts were share between both midfields so no huge advantage was gained by them.I dont believe there was another player available who would have performed as well and it was fortunate Weed was on the list.

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1 hour ago, kallangurdemon said:

But that is really the issue .There wasn't a ruckman on the list available from Casey  .Gawn Jackson Daw and even Turner wern't available so it fell on Weed.Next pick for the centre square would have had to be one of the Browns and that would have been a challenge .At first blush Weed appeared to have done badly .He lost the hit outs 48/11 and dropped more marks than the 2 he took .However he contested to the extent that the Crows talls never controlled the game .Their hitouts were share between both midfields so no huge advantage was gained by them.I dont believe there was another player available who would have performed as well and it was fortunate Weed was on the list.

His game improved greatly in the 2nd half, and it helped keep the ball in our forward line 

Kudos for the coaching he got at halftime and that he took it on

[defuture15 900]

Did a great job yesterday 

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2 hours ago, willmoy said:

We seem to win when he plays

We win when anyone plays

[Willmoy1947 4,140]

19 minutes ago, loges said:

We win when anyone plays

Loges,  I was trying to make a subtle point there about the future.

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18 hours ago, willmoy said:

He's gonna get there guys

Disagree, just lacks something. Mitch Brown was a much better contributer last night

[Gator 17,477]

He has one major issue he won't be able to overcome.  

He's too slow.

van Rooyen is athletic.  Sam is the opposite.

He's a gap filler at best.

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17 hours ago, Swooper1987 said:

He was ok tonight and performed exactly as I expected he would.  As Melbourne supporters we have been spoilt by having Gawn for so long.  What we got to see tonight is how most teams fans feel when they play against Gawn.  O'Brien is a decent AFL ruck, a club B&F winner and has had a number of competitive duels with Gawn. Weid played within his limitations, provided a contest, was useful at ground level, tackled quite well but dropped some marks he could've taken.  O'Brien played well but didn't dominate as he could have.  I think he did his job.  Having said that, I'm very happy to have the skipper back on Thursday night.

Good way to put it. 

Sam competes and the role was not built for him to excel in so why do people think he is going to excel? 

He was in the right spots to be that centre win target on out kicks with Brown and that is what was needed to win. If he excelled in a his first game and first ruck with a very demanding role - that is disrespectful to ruckmen in general and to Gawn.

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4 hours ago, willmoy said:

We seem to win when he plays

We have won a hell of a lot of games without him.

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4 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

Hmmm, if we win the premiership this year, does Sam's contribution come into it? Or Bedfords?

Just like 2021? He played his part...

…. as did Majak despite never playing in the AFL team.  Depth helps the entire team develop. 

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2 hours ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

He has one major issue he won't be able to overcome.  

He's too slow.

van Rooyen is athletic.  Sam is the opposite.

He's a gap filler at best.

Problem with Weid lack of intensity wish he had got some from his grandfather, 

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1 hour ago, defuture15 said:

Did a great job yesterday 

Great is reserved for Gawn. The weid competed there is a vast difference. 

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2 hours ago, rpfc said:

Good way to put it. 

Sam competes and the role was not built for him to excel in so why do people think he is going to excel? 

He was in the right spots to be that centre win target on out kicks with Brown and that is what was needed to win. If he excelled in a his first game and first ruck with a very demanding role - that is disrespectful to ruckmen in general and to Gawn.

If he could only hold marks! 

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He needs someone to help improve his marking. I wonder if Chris Dawes is available