Farewell Sam Weideman

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

1 hour ago, Sydee said:

No he’s not a shadow of LJ 

Jackson is playing like someone distracted by contracted talks.

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

5 hours ago, picket fence said:

Right outa left Field ....set Smith up as a forward to crash packs and take the odd speccy! Totally Flawless Logic.... Oh and Weeds is like the Graham Bonnet song right now "Its all Over Now Baby Blue" probably one of WCW s most favourite songs I could imagine! And Ahhh also one of mine! No Doubt Uncle Bitter would be a "Warm Ride" Fan as well, but just pure conjecture!😁

Hey! Why drag me into this??? 
Anyways I don’t like either of those crappy songs. Except ‘Warm Ride’ when sampled by The Avalanches, an awesome Melbourne band. 

I feel so bad for Weids. Every time he plays I will him to put in a great game - as most of us do - and I hate when he has yet another disappointing one. Last year I read somewhere that sometimes when he’s playing terribly, at halftime he’ll be in the rooms vomiting. This is heartbreaking. ☹️

[Clayton spirit 252]

1 hour ago, mo64 said:

Rubbish. At least BBB attacks that ball in marking contests, and makes some effort once it hits the ground. I suggest you watch the replay. Weid was not interested in making second efforts.

I saw him lay good follow up tackle at one stage. I think Weid is a very limited footballer, but I think this was just a very quiet game rather than a very poor one. I'm happy to watch the replay, although to me I can understand why tv coverage would make a quiet game look much worse

[picket fence 16,655]

8 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Hey! Why drag me into this??? 
Anyways I don’t like either of those crappy songs. Except ‘Warm Ride’ when sampled by The Avalanches, an awesome Melbourne band. 

I feel so bad for Weids. Every time he plays I will him to put in a great game - as most of us do - and I hate when he has yet another disappointing one. Last year I read somewhere that sometimes when he’s playing terribly, at halftime he’ll be in the rooms vomiting. This is heartbreaking. ☹️

Agree WCW with the vomiting in rooms thing if true. Hnmm The Avalanches eh, might have to check them out!

[Guest]

We can debate the causes as much as we like, but Weed sadly will never be the player we need him to be (or the player he could be).

Is it confidence? Is it lack of application? Is it skill limitations? It could be some of it or all of it. But this year was the year he needed to push either one of BBB or Tomald out of the team, and it hasn’t happened.

It was admirable that he backed himself in when he re-signed for two more years. Career wise, it’s probably stuffed his market value. A move to Gold Coast, Collingwood or North would have been doable considering where those clubs were at. GC17 have Chol and Casboult functioning well (and King to come back). The Pies are flying and will be looking to recruit to win a flag. Does North want help for Zurhaar and Larkey? It’s a big if.

[speed demon 804]

13 hours ago, one_demon said:

Weideman looks like a player who's confidence and belief are shot to pieces 

I've never seen a player look more dejected after kicking a goal. Especially, a goal to give his team a near unassailable lead...in a big game...leading up to a premiership defence.

Weid is on record (circa 2020) talking about underperformance in 2019 being attributable to struggling to manage the weight of expectation that came after his 2018 finals series. 

The view that a lack of desire explains his inadequate intensity are off the mark IMO. I imagine he's desperate to succeed - why wouldn't he be - and being unable to do so gives rise to negative emotions that further impairs performance. Reminds me of a batsmen in cricket suffering a form slump who then loses confidence and subsequently can barely hold a bat. 

[Nascent 8,634]

55 minutes ago, speed demon said:

I've never seen a player look more dejected after kicking a goal. Especially, a goal to give his team a near unassailable lead...in a big game...leading up to a premiership defence.

Weid is on record (circa 2020) talking about underperformance in 2019 being attributable to struggling to manage the weight of expectation that came after his 2018 finals series. 

The view that a lack of desire explains his inadequate intensity are off the mark IMO. I imagine he's desperate to succeed - why wouldn't he be - and being unable to do so gives rise to negative emotions that further impairs performance. Reminds me of a batsmen in cricket suffering a form slump who then loses confidence and subsequently can barely hold a bat. 

Think this has to be a major factor. IIRC a poster with good mail on here stated around mid-season that the club was looking to move him on at the end of the year. This is despite having a year to run on his contract, indicating the club has lost faith in him. Can't imagine he would be in a good head space, particularly as it looks like he has only been selected as a last resort. The pressure he must be placing on himself, to not only keep a spot in the team but stay at the club and save his career, must be immense.

[John Crow Batty 8,768]

Not going be too critical of his performance on Friday. it was dirty night for key forwards. He, Taberner and Lobb did bugger all in the conditions. I expect Weid would be much better against the pies if we don’t have a repeat of the rotten weather. 

[Mel Bourne 4,389]

15 hours ago, picket fence said:

Ahem...

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I don’t mean to start a war, but this version is not as good as Them’s. comparing Graham Bonnet’s voice to Van Morrison’s is not going to end well for Graham. 

I will probably be enjoying some kind of jazz-cigarette this evening, and will be willing to write some kind of pointless thesis on the whole matter soon afterwards , if requested. 😉
 

[Demonstone 21,760]

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

The Avalanches eh, might have to check them out!

Given your stated musical preferences, I'm not sure if they would be your cup of tea, PF.  This early song of theirs would be a good starting point.  If you like it, I'd recommend "Frontier Psychiatrist" as the next stepping stone.

Their style could be described as electronic and they make extensive use of samples.  In this song, they used something like 3,500 vinyl samples!

 

 

[old dee 23,487]

I have been one of his critics since early on. However it is now plainly obvious that he is not a senior level talent it is time to stop the bulling  and shaming on here. Sam would appear to be a nice guy and I am sure he is trying his best. It is unfortunately not enough. I feel sorry for him. Let's get off his back. 

[faultydet 7,594]

9 minutes ago, old dee said:

I have been one of his critics since early on. However it is now plainly obvious that he is not a senior level talent it is time to stop the bulling  and shaming on here. Sam would appear to be a nice guy and I am sure he is trying his best. It is unfortunately not enough. I feel sorry for him. Let's get off his back. 

People will get off his back when he starts playing like the top 10 pick he was (not going to happen), or when he is delisted.

He is paid to do a job and is not performing that job to anything like the level that would be expected. That's his fault, nobody else's.

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, old dee said:

I have been one of his critics since early on. However it is now plainly obvious that he is not a senior level talent it is time to stop the bulling  and shaming on here. Sam would appear to be a nice guy and I am sure he is trying his best. It is unfortunately not enough. I feel sorry for him. Let's get off his back. 

I’d say that is a pretty fair assessment.

The draft is not a guarantee of outcome. Plenty of top ten picks have not made the cut, and I’d say Sam will fulfil that criteria with us.

A good, though not entirely analogous, role model for Sam might be Paddy McCartin. While his issues were borne from entirely different causes, a change of environment has changed his career from being a contender for biggest draft bust of all time (fairly or unfairly) to at least being a solid at the back end of his career.

[DeeZone 8,950]

Sam has lost all confidence at present and looks like he is second guessing everything that he does certainly not using his attributes to his or our advantage. Comeon Sam the clock is ticking and time and tide wait for no man.😢😪

Edited July 31, 2022 by DeeZone
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[Mel Bourne 4,389]

58 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

Given your stated musical preferences, I'm not sure if they would be your cup of tea, PF.  This early song of theirs would be a good starting point.  If you like it, I'd recommend "Frontier Psychiatrist" as the next stepping stone.

Their style could be described as electronic and they make extensive use of samples.  In this song, they used something like 3,500 vinyl samples!

 

 

I’ll never forget the organiser of a very big Victorian music festival (which is still going) describing them as “Jive Bunny with a Mooks endorsement” after watching their set. 

[Fork 'em 6,940]

Well .... Listening to the radio yesterday Carey and co. were discussing McStay asking for 700k for a trade to Collingwood.
Carey was asked who would be better ... Weid or Mcstay.
Answer was Weid.
McStays output numbers didn't stack up to his pricetag.

Just sayin'.

My opinion ....
Until the football dept thinks VR is worthy of a game the Weid stays in.

[Fritta and Turner 4,181]

53 minutes ago, faultydet said:

He is paid to do a job and is not performing that job to anything like the level that would be expected.

I totally agree with this statement but remember it is our expectations that he has not lived up to.  Weid didnt ask to be picked in the top 10.  Our expectations and the clubs initial assessment are clearly wrong.  For someone who has been in the system for so long I cannot comprehend how easily he is pushed off the ball.

[DeeSpencer 24,704]

17 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

Well .... Listening to the radio yesterday Carey and co. were discussing McStay asking for 700k for a trade to Collingwood.
Carey was asked who would be better ... Weid or Mcstay.
Answer was Weid.
McStays output numbers didn't stack up to his pricetag.

Just sayin'.

My opinion ....
Until the football dept thinks VR is worthy of a game the Weid stays in.

Weid  - who’s never really established himself as an AFL footballer - is better than McStay, who crashes packs and tackles very well for a tall, hence the price tag (with a 20% free agency tax).

That might be the dumbest thing Carey has said since he suggested Carlton trade pick 1 for Tyson, Frost and Bugg 

Weid stays in until Ben Brown is right to go. Which is likely Friday.

[faultydet 7,594]

Just now, Jontee said:

I totally agree with this statement but remember it is our expectations that he has not lived up to.  Weid didnt ask to be picked in the top 10.  Our expectations and the clubs initial assessment are clearly wrong.  For someone who has been in the system for so long I cannot comprehend how easily he is pushed off the ball.

It's Jack Watts all over again. We draft a tall kid with supposed skills who we expect will "fill out" and grow into the physical aspects of the position that we recruited them to play. Weid has no mongrel. Zero. It shows every time he runs 2m under the ball when someone is on his hammer. I'd call it something far less flattering, but that would certainly get me a ban. And if memory serves it was his "courage in the air" that had our team choose him over others.....

It's an ongoing weakness in our recruiting team. We seem to be ok at identifying defenders and very good at mid size players, but give us a crack at picking a tall forward and they seem to fall apart. Lets hope V.R is a notable exception.

 

[picket fence 16,655]

35 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

Well .... Listening to the radio yesterday Carey and co. were discussing McStay asking for 700k for a trade to Collingwood.
Carey was asked who would be better ... Weid or Mcstay.
Answer was Weid.
McStays output numbers didn't stack up to his pricetag.

Just sayin'.

My opinion ....
Until the football dept thinks VR is worthy of a game the Weid stays in.

5 Goals yesterday vs a 1 possesion lucky goal game.

Right now I would prefer Van Rooyen, Mitch Brown, Tomlinson, hell even Joel Smith up forward. Sorry but unfortunately he wont make it at Melbourne. IMO

Edited July 31, 2022 by picket fence

[Fritta and Turner 4,181]

10 minutes ago, faultydet said:

Weid has no mongrel. Zero.

I wouldnt actually say zero  but what happened to the mantra of recruits having to be aggressive contested ball players.

 

12 minutes ago, faultydet said:

We seem to be ok at identifying defenders

Barely.  If you consider talls the only one is Harrison Petty.

(For another time but are we any good at drafting talls?)

[Soidee 1,496]

Weid has tried and simply has not progressed.  Finished at MFC!

[DemonWA 3,884]

14 minutes ago, Soidee said:

Weid has tried and simply has not progressed.  Finished at MFC!

Not sure how anyone can say he's finished. He's not in great form and is potentially destined to always be more of a backup 22 player, but he's needed on our list IMO. Our other KPF stocks are aging and injured (Brown and McDonald), young (Roo) or on the way out (Jackson). 

Unless we somehow flush ourselves with walk up 22 quality tall stocks Weid is not finished imo

[rpfc 28,047]

1 hour ago, Fork 'em said:

Well .... Listening to the radio yesterday Carey and co. were discussing McStay asking for 700k for a trade to Collingwood.
Carey was asked who would be better ... Weid or Mcstay.
Answer was Weid.
McStays output numbers didn't stack up to his pricetag.

Just sayin'.

My opinion ....
Until the football dept thinks VR is worthy of a game the Weid stays in.

If your choice is between Weid and McStay; you need to leave the store.

We’re not shopping for Valentine’s gifts here.

Edited July 31, 2022 by rpfc

[rpfc 28,047]

13 minutes ago, Soidee said:

Weid has tried and simply has not progressed.  Finished at MFC!

That’s not necessarily the case, he is a capable back up ruck and we may have an opening in 2023.