Farewell Sam Weideman

[DubDee 26,117]

Playing out of position he did fine. Fought hard, laid tackles, spoiled well. Didn’t look confident and should have taken a couple more marks

[DeeSpencer 26,082]

Ruck contest: solid for a non ruck

Follow up: seemed good

Positioning: hard to tell from the tv but looked ok 

Aerial contesting: ok at best against a good pack mark 

5.5/10

[Older demon 2,779]

Spare me! This team ethos is built on everyone contributing and playing their role. Weird did his bit tonight so get off his back. He had to ruck more than anticipated because Mitch Brown is not now nor ever will be a ruckman. We didn't help ourselves by kicking long to where their big blokes were and I saw BBB fall over a lot in those packs. Some of Brown's marks weren't paid and the umpiring left a lot to be desired

I thought we'd used his body well at ground level, was used as a link man and did what was asked of him.

[Billy 2,544]

56 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Gutsy performance from him to shoulder that load tonight.

Pathetic effort from fans to jump on here and bag him out straight away.

 

Completely agree, he had a crack against a very good ruckman 

Now let’s talk about Ben Brown, totally beaten again in the air & at the contest This has been happening for 2 months now.

The amount of times he runs under the ball and puts one hand up is embarrassing 

[Kent 2,914]

13 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

I’m in @old dee’s camp.

Weed battled well against a bloke with six centimetres and a fair few kilos on him in a position he normally doesn’t play. My hat goes off to him.

One he starts one grab marking and attacking packs with vigor, he is a regular selection.

If only he could do that Colin

[Willmoy1947 4,140]

He's gonna get there guys

[Kent 2,914]

6 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Ruck contest: solid for a non ruck

Follow up: seemed good

Positioning: hard to tell from the tv but looked ok 

Aerial contesting: ok at best against a good pack mark 

5.5/10

Agree

no way.

No idea he looks like he's half asleep to me no vigor at all.

How many marks??

 

3/10

[Demon Disciple 12,274]

24 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Which he had a lot of trouble doing in the first half. He needs to put his body into the contest more

For a guy with the body size that he has, he sure doesn’t use it.

Kosi is more of a physical presence than Weid. If no one else will say it, I will - Weideman is a soft footballer. He is definitely one pick that JT did not get right (thankfully he has nailed pretty much every other high pick)

 

Edited July 2, 2022 by Demon Disciple

[DeeSpencer 26,082]

15 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

For a guy with the body size that he has, he sure doesn’t use it.

Kosi is more of a physical presence than Weid. If no one else will say it, I will - Weideman is a soft footballer. He is definitely one pick that JT did not get right (thankfully he has nailed pretty much every other high pick)

 

He does some really brave stuff at times but he has poor moments.

I think that’s a factor but lack of athleticism and reading of the play impact just as much. 
 

If he had Lever’s ability to read the drop or Jackson’s mobility the other things wouldn’t be as much of a factor 

[layzie 34,003]

Really no choice but to have faith. Hopefully the penny drops.

[Swooper1987 3,322]

He was ok tonight and performed exactly as I expected he would.  As Melbourne supporters we have been spoilt by having Gawn for so long.  What we got to see tonight is how most teams fans feel when they play against Gawn.  O'Brien is a decent AFL ruck, a club B&F winner and has had a number of competitive duels with Gawn. Weid played within his limitations, provided a contest, was useful at ground level, tackled quite well but dropped some marks he could've taken.  O'Brien played well but didn't dominate as he could have.  I think he did his job.  Having said that, I'm very happy to have the skipper back on Thursday night.

[Sir Why You Little 37,130]

4 minutes ago, layzie said:

Really no choice but to have faith. Hopefully the penny drops.

He gets a game next week if Max is not ready. But in the 1st Half we were almost a man down. Weid tried to be a Tap Ruckmen and it didn’t work. After Halftime he started to use his body far more effectively and let Tracc Clarry and Jack do the work 

[layzie 34,003]

7 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

He gets a game next week if Max is not ready. But in the 1st Half we were almost a man down. Weid tried to be a Tap Ruckmen and it didn’t work. After Halftime he started to use his body far more effectively and let Tracc Clarry and Jack do the work 

He did get the odd nice tap but he really didn't bring enough in that first half and I agree we were almost a man down. Just hope it comes together for him a bit more in the next few weeks. 

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

I thought he did ok in the ruck but was poor in the marking contest - which is his usual performance. He has really good leap on him and has a similar ruck game as LJ, follow up work is also decent. Potentially can be developed further. 

I did see bit of frustration from him tonight so it’s fair to say it’s not for a lack of trying. I think he can sense his AFL career is on the line and is slipping away ever so slightly.

I hope he can build some form in the next few weeks as I’m not sure LJ comes in next week with Gawn. 

[monoccular 17,573]

55 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

He gets a game next week if Max is not ready. But in the 1st Half we were almost a man down. Weid tried to be a Tap Ruckmen and it didn’t work. After Halftime he started to use his body far more effectively and let Tracc Clarry and Jack do the work 

I thought, considering he has not been a ruckman, he did a pretty good job against a much taller and heavier regular ruck.  Got a few whiteouts, a few tackles.  Sadly his marking still isn't up to scratch but he wasn't outworked, usually halving the aerial contests.

Just wish we were given some idea about Jackson - ready, a few weeks, already moved to Perth???

[Sir Why You Little 37,130]

10 minutes ago, monoccular said:

I thought, considering he has not been a ruckman, he did a pretty good job against a much taller and heavier regular ruck.  Got a few whiteouts, a few tackles.  Sadly his marking still isn't up to scratch but he wasn't outworked, usually halving the aerial contests.

Just wish we were given some idea about Jackson - ready, a few weeks, already moved to Perth???

Jackson is a Melbourne Player this year. 
Stop worrying. The Media love it. 

[The Jackson FIX 3,210]

Sammy will sleep well tonight. He did what the team needed from him AND he has probably never worked so bloody hard on his life.

[The Jackson FIX 3,210]

Sammy will sleep well tonight. He did what the team needed from him AND he has probably never worked so bloody hard on his life.

[640MD 3,429]

I thought he did pretty well, did not win the ruck but battled it out and a couple of marks did not hurt.  I though he did do, ok, probably the best I’ve seen him play,

and.   I am Not a fan of his, but tonight he did OK

[monoccular 17,573]

8 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Jackson is a Melbourne Player this year. 
Stop worrying. The Media love it. 

SWYL - my bringing Jackson into this thread really was related to how many more weeks Sam will need to be #2 to Max - the final word was meant to be tongue in cheek.  🙄. 

[spirit of norm smith 16,589]

Sam tried … sure. He was out of position and against a B grade ruckman in O’Brien.  But O’Brien simply bullied him all night.  As the competitors described it, O’Brien just was the big kid and the school yard and did what he liked.  Weid’s hitouts were mainly v Tilthorpe. 

Weid’s bump on Keays (rather than tackle) saw Keays just bounce away and Weid go to ground. Well … 

Weid fumbled in the contest and didn’t show enough mobility or 2nd efforts. That’s what I was looking for against the standard ruck. Competitive marks … 1.  At lots and lots of contests. 

I like Sam and have met him at several team functions.  He is a good young man. I have backed Sam and desperately want him to be that key forward that we need and he can fulfill. But his intensity and desire and ability to take chances still doesn’t match up.  Sure yesterday he was played out of position and tried but he still didn’t show me the physical side of footy and the agility I was looking for.  

 

[Willmoy1947 4,140]

8 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Sam tried … sure. He was out of position and against a B grade ruckman in O’Brien.  But O’Brien simply bullied him all night.  As the competitors described it, O’Brien just was the big kid and the school yard and did what he liked.  Weid’s hitouts were mainly v Tilthorpe. 

Weid’s bump on Keays (rather than tackle) saw Keays just bounce away and Weid go to ground. Well … 

Weid fumbled in the contest and didn’t show enough mobility or 2nd efforts. That’s what I was looking for against the standard ruck. Competitive marks … 1.  At lots and lots of contests. 

I like Sam and have met him at several team functions.  He is a good young man. I have backed Sam and desperately want him to be that key forward that we need and he can fulfill. But his intensity and desire and ability to take chances still doesn’t match up.  Sure yesterday he was played out of position and tried but he still didn’t show me the physical side of footy and the agility I was looking for.  

 

I agree with some of what you say, but I don't think O' Brien bullies (not the bullying type) anyone, as I haven't seen him do it this year.

Weideman is under instructions as to how he plays and I think he enhances our ability to get the ball forward from stoppages and centre bounces. This was obvious yesterday more than last week.

He needs to be a little more physical and there was two opportunities that I couldn't have resisted but he did, in stationary mode, but I reckon it's coming. I'm noticing a difference, and I'm hoping he'll just bend the knees a bit more and stick his bum out and get in the way...

[loges 6,767]

So Sam is a part time ruckman who is there to compete but can't win the ruck, only takes the occasional mark when playing forward. So what do people think he offers going forward because as soon as Max and Dogga are back there's no place for him.

[old dee 23,872]

4 minutes ago, loges said:

So Sam is a part time ruckman who is there to compete but can't win the ruck, only takes the occasional mark when playing forward. So what do people think he offers going forward because as soon as Max and Dogga are back there's no place for him.

Says it all loges, the Casey ruckman would make a better competition. 

Edited July 2, 2022 by old dee

[Lord Nev 13,512]

38 minutes ago, loges said:

So Sam is a part time ruckman who is there to compete but can't win the ruck, only takes the occasional mark when playing forward. So what do people think he offers going forward because as soon as Max and Dogga are back there's no place for him.

That's the point, and it's reflected in his contract and selection. He's depth, but some here don't seem to have caught up with that and are still judging him against his draft order from 7 years ago.