18 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

If Vanders wants to go to Sydney, Hewett is a fair swap. But I’m for keeping Vdhberger.  A good man for the trenches.  

OUT- VDB & 43
IN - 25 & Future 4th Round
 

They on trade 41 to WC for Hickey

Edited November 10, 20204 yr by Dee tention

Not a rumour, just a thought..... TMac and pick 43 to Carlton for pick 30?

Could we trade T Mac & a 3rd rounder to a club for a 4th rounder back (you read that correctly)

I reckon there might be a chance Sydney will be interested in TMac if he is able to play in defence as Aliir looks to be heading to Port?  The main problem for us is that Sydney have big salary cap problems so we're not going to get much relief from them.

7 hours ago, CHF said:

One further comment I heard was that MFC are in this as a long game. What they are doing this off season will be part of a much longer term strategy that is in place for the next few seasons.

I note the positive, supporting comments made on the exits of both Preuss and Hannan as a marker to other players in the comp as to the respect the club has for the players. (This is my comment, not something that ha been passed on to me)

Just curious if you can explain the long game part at all. Does this mean where trying to free up salary cap space and target free agents or looking at bringing in more draft picks? Given the club has been so bullish on our list over the last 18 months, I am interested in what this plan is.

Things appear to have gone quiet about Brodie Smith who was mentioned as a possible trade earlier on in the piece.

11 hours ago, Nudge said:

Murders the ball, undisciplined giving frees & 50’s..coaches have had it 

Yes you of course know the coaches and their attitude towards VDB

Gives a hardness at the ball that would be missed

Please don't encourage his exit

He is more effective than many on the list let him finish his career a dee

 

25 minutes ago, trout said:

Just curious if you can explain the long game part at all. Does this mean where trying to free up salary cap space and target free agents or looking at bringing in more draft picks? Given the club has been so bullish on our list over the last 18 months, I am interested in what this plan is.

So how far off regular finals are we?Iis it next year the year after??

I also would like to know what the long game strategy is

The long game strategy is an interesting one when you would think Bartlett, Pert, Mahoney, Richardson and Goodwin are all very much tied to exceptional results in the next 12 months.

There must be a big fish we are loading up for next year but the ship may have sailed by then

9 minutes ago, Kent said:

Yes you of course know the coaches and their attitude towards VDB

Gives a hardness at the ball that would be missed

Please don't encourage his exit

He is more effective than many on the list let him finish his career a dee

 

Unfortunately many teams are going to need to make these changes over the next few years with the decrease in the tpp and list sizes.

30 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Things appear to have gone quiet about Brodie Smith who was mentioned as a possible trade earlier on in the piece.

I think that was a throw a dart and hope it sticks. The whole Goodwin was his mentor thing was just a pisstake that sucked people in.

There was never any interest in Smith.

Edited November 10, 20204 yr by dazzledavey36

7 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

There was never any interest in Smith.

Never any interest from Adelaide I suspect. Would have been an absolute steal if we could have got him.  Knee injury aside I rate him higher than Williams and Saad as a HBF.

8 hours ago, Turner said:

 

the exact same article that raised vanders and nibbler also name dropped Dunstan, Hewitt, Constable, Blakely and Brodie stating that the shorter quarters and smaller list sizes meant clubs were able to carry less midfielders especially slower inside types that couldn't keep up with the quicker pace due to less tired legs in game. also stated swans had a cap and list cram, i guess due to their rebuild they have so many 1-3 year players that are unproven and a fair few will start to drop off next year when they dont make the grade, v interesting where their cap squeeze comes from aside from buddy tho?

Yep

I think clubs are trying not to cut too hard but there will be some tough decisions made.

As public as Collingwood have been and to a lesser extent the Dees with TMac i reckon all clubs are carrying some sort of bad contract and are looking to cull as much TPP as possible.

Interestingly trade news has mentioned TMac as still a huge chance of moving. I personally don't see it happening but we will wait and see. 

I trust @CHF info, i reckon the dees are restructuring TPP and we will see some tough decisions made in the short term.

Edited November 10, 20204 yr by Unleash Hell

7 hours ago, CHF said:

Not a rumour, just a thought..... TMac and pick 43 to Carlton for pick 30?

Would do that without thinking.

Im a huge fan of Vanders but reality is list sizes are biting and we need speed and class.

1 hour ago, BW511 said:

The long game strategy is an interesting one when you would think Bartlett, Pert, Mahoney, Richardson and Goodwin are all very much tied to exceptional results in the next 12 months.

There must be a big fish we are loading up for next year but the ship may have sailed by then

We can do both.

2021 is top 4-6 finish as stated by Bartlett.  Improvement achievable with the addition of Ben Brown and general increasing maturity of our list.

2022 add Z.Merrett or Treloar - push for flag.

2 minutes ago, Pollyanna said:

We can do both.

2021 is top 4-6 finish as stated by Bartlett.  Improvement achievable with the addition of Ben Brown and general increasing maturity of our list.

2022 add Z.Merrett or Treloar - push for flag.

2022 - Kelly/Whitfield

7 minutes ago, Pollyanna said:

We can do both.

2021 is top 4-6 finish as stated by Bartlett.  Improvement achievable with the addition of Ben Brown and general increasing maturity of our list.

2022 add Z.Merrett or Treloar - push for flag.

So Polly its not next year its now the year after that? Tiresome!I thought we were told last year it would be this year

What do you believe?

2 minutes ago, Kent said:

So Polly its not next year its now the year after that? Tiresome!I thought we were told last year it would be this year

What do you believe?

It's a process - it's possible but unlikely we're going to jump from 9th to the flag next year.  We do need to show progress on that journey though i.e. top 4-6 finish.

58 minutes ago, Pollyanna said:

We can do both.

2021 is top 4-6 finish as stated by Bartlett.  Improvement achievable with the addition of Ben Brown and general increasing maturity of our list.

2022 add Z.Merrett or Treloar - push for flag.

Who's adding Treloar in 2022?

Are you suggesting he'll stay at Collingwood for a year then walk out next year?

1 hour ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

2022 - Kelly/Whitfield

Think this is a much better option than Treloar, but I'd rather get 2-3 starting 22 players than one big fish.

We are still light on for quality

17 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Who's adding Treloar in 2022?

Are you suggesting he'll stay at Collingwood for a year then walk out next year?

I think that at least a 50% possibility.

3 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Things appear to have gone quiet about Brodie Smith who was mentioned as a possible trade earlier on in the piece.

I asked this question after seeing it on the forums and there was no interest in signing Brodie Smith & Josh Thomas. 

52 minutes ago, BW511 said:

Think this is a much better option than Treloar, but I'd rather get 2-3 starting 22 players than one big fish.

We are still light on for quality

How does 2-3 plodders that would maybe cost 300-400k a piece make us any better when you can go hard for 2 star players that make us immediately better in areas we're clearly most deficient in (Whitfield - wing/hbf, Kelly - wing/outside mid). We're not as light on for depth as you might think, but we lack the match winning players in those areas.

We are not bringing in Whitfield & Kelly together (or equivalent), no chance on earth.

A third of our starting 18 are plodders, so we probably could do with more upgrades than 2 stars

18 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

Bit of both. There were rumors we were keen on him, but it seems to have blown up a bit on here.

I'd wager we're after him or Archie Perkins, who is a lively mid/half forward with good burst of pace, good agility, good leap and hits the scoreboard. If we get pick 14, one of them might make it to our pick and would be gold.

Perkins is the second option  that I liked from what I have read.