On 02/10/2020 at 05:45, Lord Nev said:

 

Do you call Smith a Key Position Defender?

Cool.

  On 02/10/2020 at 05:55, The Chazz said:

Do you call Smith a Key Position Defender?

Cool.

Not the point. You already put Smith down as one when you said:

"Enough defenders? Like who? May and Lever are our only locks for taller KP players, and even then Lever isn't suited.

There's word that Oscar is off, and we are hoping that Petty goes forward. And the less we see Smith in the team the better."

Then you said:

"This to me tells me Tomlinson is playing back next year. I think we have a number of back up options for that defensive role, and strongly believe Smith is about 6th on that list."

So either you're putting Smith down in the key defender category, or apparently all of May, Lever, OMac, Petty and Tomlinson are what? Small half backs?

To be fair, you said months ago you'd stop watching if Jones got another game so you probably haven't seen what positions players are in,

Good to hear about petty and sparrow. Bemused by Smith though, what a waste of a list spot, he's a dud. 

Hurry up and sign Hunt already. But you know Mahoney will trade him for a token pick.

It is almost a case of, in for a penny, in for a pound with Smith. Surely there is only upside. Great news on Sparrow and Petty. Also happy to have a trimmer TMac back. It would have been painful for him to go just yet. Trim down get fit, lead up,  put the ball near Kozzie Trac and co.

  On 02/10/2020 at 06:05, Lord Nev said:

Not the point. You already put Smith down as one when you said:

"Enough defenders? Like who? May and Lever are our only locks for taller KP players, and even then Lever isn't suited.

There's word that Oscar is off, and we are hoping that Petty goes forward. And the less we see Smith in the team the better."

Then you said:

"This to me tells me Tomlinson is playing back next year. I think we have a number of back up options for that defensive role, and strongly believe Smith is about 6th on that list."

So either you're putting Smith down in the key defender category, or apparently all of May, Lever, OMac, Petty and Tomlinson are what? Small half backs?

To be fair, you said months ago you'd stop watching if Jones got another game so you probably haven't seen what positions players are in,

How on earth do you keep abreast of what everyone posts :)

  On 02/10/2020 at 06:20, Engorged Onion said:

How on earth do you keep abreast of what everyone posts :)

It's called unemployment.

Delete.

Edited October 2, 20204 yr by Lord Nev
Got sucked in by a troll.

WTF. Smith getting a contract extension is absolute BS and should be the final nail in Mahoney’s time at the MFC.

An absolute list clogger.

  On 02/10/2020 at 06:34, Lord Nev said:

Ok.

Since 2009, at an average of under 2 posts per day. Compared to your 3000+ in 15 months, and that's not including your previous account.

Now go and annoy someone else. 

 

Delete.

Edited October 2, 20204 yr by Lord Nev
Got sucked in by a troll.

  On 02/10/2020 at 02:51, DubDee said:

Smith is a very inexperienced player and he had a fairly poor season.  he has only played 18 games in his career, so this signing is on potential. He has a massive leap, is 6"3' and very agile and quick. Obviously he needs to learn the footy smarts and quickly. but if he got some continuity and confidence I think he could be a player.  Play on a small quick fwd and take intercept marks, similar to Howe.

Before I get shouted down, I am not saying he will be as good as Howe, just trying to think what the MFC would be thinking with him.

I wonder if J Smith has ever played on the wing. As you say quick, agile, can take a mark and apparently has elite endurance. He is an athlete first perhaps he could maximise his strengths running up and down a wing and spend the preseason learning from Langdon. 

Great to have the two young SA boys locked away for 2 more years. A full preseason and I am pretty sure Petty has a strong role to play as either a tall forward or back. Sparrow shows good application and endeavour but I am unsure where he will settle in role but he has plenty of room to develop. Smith on a one year deal is a no brainer with shortening list sizes. He is young in games and can hold down multiple roles back and forward. He is certainly much better than an unknown pick 80 as AOB suggested.

With Omac and Spargo out of contract it must be fitting to some on here that a whipping boy is locked away for next years torment.

  On 02/10/2020 at 06:13, Half forward flank said:

It is almost a case of, in for a penny, in for a pound with Smith. Surely there is only upside. Great news on Sparrow and Petty. Also happy to have a trimmer TMac back. It would have been painful for him to go just yet. Trim down get fit, lead up,  put the ball near Kozzie Trac and co.

We have seen Smiths best and it is not good enough

  On 02/10/2020 at 06:27, The Chazz said:

It's called unemployment.

Yes Chazz

Dan also destroyed my employment

  On 02/10/2020 at 09:03, Kent said:

We have seen Smiths best and it is not good enough

Smith has hardly played any football he didn't play under 18's and has been injured alot including last year when he missed the whole season he deserves another chance the 1 year contract is logical. He's a better option than Oscar.

I think Petty should play back next year and with Hore the logical replacement for Hibbo over the next 12 months (look at his intercepting and lockdown stats on the afl website). it makes it illogical to keep either Smith or OMac with Tomlinson obviously staying back there too. thats 5 Key defenders already, plenty for any side + its a tall draft so theres plenty of options for a developing speculative pick. I hope smiths ready to play 22 vfl games next year and has a new career sorted for 2022

Happy with the Sparrow deal hopefully more announcements r coming soon

TMac is washed up idc how heavy he was its not an excuse to not crash packs, lead and just contest. he wasn't close to the 22 by mid-season being lighter isnt going to just change his attack on the footy and his competitiveness. the only thing we can hope is he increases his value for this time next year.

 

There are many posters on this site wanting wholesale changes, delisting and subsequent new listings. 
 

Smith being one. 
personally  I see Smith as a replacement for AVB, hard at it and hard at the opposition with perhaps limited skill.

Given we have 3 delistings. One retired 

KK probably gone,  that’s 5 without Jones or Jetta  why would we want to get rid of some of our NQR players that we have invested time and effort into simply to trade or select other clubs rejects. Preuss deserves a senior position in the ruck. So could be traded if he wants ( win win) 

we should see if we can gain one or two players from free agents or trades to improve our list plus a couple of youngsters from the draft. 
better to improve our list from inside than to cut too deeply and  never really improve. 
Remains to be seen what happens in 2020.  A year no one will forget,  like Donald Trump,   no one will forget.

  On 02/10/2020 at 10:10, 640MD said:

There are many posters on this site wanting wholesale changes, delisting and subsequent new listings. 
 

Smith being one. 
personally  I see Smith as a replacement for AVB, hard at it and hard at the opposition with perhaps limited skill.

Given we have 3 delistings. One retired 

KK probably gone,  that’s 5 without Jones or Jetta  why would we want to get rid of some of our NQR players that we have invested time and effort into simply to trade or select other clubs rejects. Preuss deserves a senior position in the ruck. So could be traded if he wants ( win win) 

we should see if we can gain one or two players from free agents or trades to improve our list plus a couple of youngsters from the draft. 
better to improve our list from inside than to cut too deeply and  never really improve. 
Remains to be seen what happens in 2020.  A year no one will forget,  like Donald Trump,   no one will forget.

look at port and st kildas rises and tell me what they did. port cleared out all the trash the last two years and aggressively drafted. not satisfied with mediocrity and inconsistent performances. st kilda brought in 1/4 of a side through trade and FA to take them further. we sit mid table and dabble in both and continue to sit mid table.

  On 02/10/2020 at 02:19, The Chazz said:

Goodwin said that we need to be a ruthless club. Re-signing players like Smith, to me, shows that we still don't known how to make decisions that smart clubs make.

Smith ended the season as a liability. Cannot believe he gets 2021.  Obviously he is on low $$$$.

  On 02/10/2020 at 08:00, Earl Hood said:

I wonder if J Smith has ever played on the wing. As you say quick, agile, can take a mark and apparently has elite endurance. He is an athlete first perhaps he could maximise his strengths running up and down a wing and spend the preseason learning from Langdon. 

Our new curiosity on Demonland - "who can we play on a wing" ?

  On 02/10/2020 at 18:43, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Our new curiosity on Demonland - "who can we play on a wing" ?

We haven't tried Gawn yet.

  On 02/10/2020 at 03:04, DeeSpencer said:

Better coaching and some consistent VFL footy could unlock Smith. He’s not nearly as far off making it as people think. 

What are the alternatives?

Hibberd in his final year, Hore who’s too short and slow to switch on to talls, Tomlinson who’s too slow for quick guys? Got to give him one last chance to see if he can make it 

I can buy into this. Especially as there are unlikely to be large cuts to list sizes. He started late and the lack of vfl has robbed him of development a year after significant injury. Still... last legs.

It’s one year and I doubt it’s big money. Not an issue. He could potentially still be tried up forward so provide some flexibility especially if Oscar is traded. 

Not exactly wrist slashing “let’s sign Harmes for 5 years and then play him out of position” type stuff. 

  On 02/10/2020 at 04:15, wizardinoz said:

Josh Wagner can consider himself very unlucky to get cut from the list before Smith.

I can understand this point but Wagner showed us everything he has.

Through injury, Smith hasn't scratched the surface yet.

I think he'll prove a few here wrong next season if he gets another injury-free pre-season.

  On 03/10/2020 at 06:26, Cheesy D. Pun said:

I can understand this point but Wagner showed us everything he has.

Through injury, Smith hasn't scratched the surface yet.

I think he'll prove a few here wrong next season if he gets another injury-free pre-season.

Do you have crystal balls Cheesy. You must have to really put that out there.