1 hour ago, Lord Travis said:

Correct. We need to stop holding onto depth players and players who aren’t up to the grade hoping they’ll come good for so long.

oscar mcdonald

9 minutes ago, Darkhorse72 said:

Is this his partner or a "date" a lot of boys go with a model if they don't have a partner etc  Always a glamorous  lady who wants to go out for thew evening and get some publicity. 

It’s his wife.

Some observations

 

1- I’m still surprised Ed Langdon didn’t get a single vote !!! He was clearly BOG vs the Pies. 
 

2- Oliver and Gawn perhaps over voted but they are right under the umps noses in the contest. If Max stays fit, I’d reckon he would be a chance one day to grab a Brownlow.  

3- Trac is a star ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

4- Steven May is a star. ⭐️⭐️⭐️????
 

5- Trac was best dressed. Three piece suit. 
 

6- Max needs help with his grooming AND another bloke who can’t tie a tie !!!  Great footballer. Funny bloke.  
 

7- Now Trac and Gus have a Brownlow bronze medal.  
 

8- Dees got total 61 votes. 6th highest. 
 

 

18 minutes ago, Darkhorse72 said:

Is this his partner or a "date" a lot of boys go with a model if they don't have a partner etc  Always a glamorous  lady who wants to go out for thew evening and get some publicity. 

1. It’s his wife

2. Who cares

3. Good luck to all of them

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

Oliver polled stronger than I expected, good on him it's a change from prior years where he goes under the radar.

2 in the top 10 and Max not far behind it's a great core of a midfield, hopefully we take full advantage next year. We should be looking to emulate the West Coast teams of the mid 00's with their powerful engine room.

2 hours ago, A F said:

Clarry finishes 9th in the league and doesn't finish top 3 in the BnF. What a joke.

Different voting systems though

2 hours ago, Elegt said:

When you're regularly carrying cloggers like anb, spargo, Wagner's, hannan and oscar you can't expect to win many games. Our fringe players are the worst in the comp.

I'd add Vandenberg Smith and this year Melksham to that list

46 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Different voting systems though

And different people giving the votes. With any luck, most of those that gave the BnF results will be out the door soon.

We were the only club with two players in the top ten, proud of our boys?

3 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Oliver polled stronger than I expected, good on him it's a change from prior years where he goes under the radar.

2 in the top 10 and Max not far behind it's a great core of a midfield, hopefully we take full advantage next year. We should be looking to emulate the West Coast teams of the mid 00's with their powerful engine room.

What Bout the current WC team and mids ?

 It too shabby in run snd carry and pace!

The voting clearly indicated who the best ruckman in the comp is and it ain’t Naitanui.

I do not rate the Brownlow due to its midfielders bias but it does give a clue to the gulf in Olivers thinking regarding his own performances. And that may be that midfielders think they are more important than anyone else. As for that Bailey Smith getting 3 votes against us. Give me a break.

7 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Oliver polled stronger than I expected, good on him it's a change from prior years where he goes under the radar.

2 in the top 10 and Max not far behind it's a great core of a midfield, hopefully we take full advantage next year. We should be looking to emulate the West Coast teams of the mid 00's with their powerful engine room.

 

11 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

I do not rate the Brownlow due to its midfielders bias but it does give a clue to the gulf in Olivers thinking regarding his own performances. And that may be that midfielders think they are more important than anyone else. As for that Bailey Smith getting 3 votes against us. Give me a break.

The thing I've noticed about the brownlow over the years, if you had a good year previous, the umpires already know to look for you, ie. Clarry at Maxy getting plenty votes . I expect Tracc to poll even better next year, same goes with the AA

9 hours ago, Demonland said:

Looks like Oliver has bragging rights over Viney for the Brownlow and the AA squad.  That should be enough to offset any disappointment at being just a few points behind him in the BnF.

9th is really an amazing effort by Oliver when we had Petracca and Gawn polling well. Hopefully, that quietens the folks on here that have questioned his 2020 performance.  Good to see the umpires finally giving him the recognition he deserves.

8 hours ago, jnrmac said:

The umpires are the worst people to judge the Brownlow.

When the award was minted it made sense but not any more.

 

Agree. Their sole focus should be on officiating the game not who is playing well. It’s not like they’re doing such a good job at that as it is.

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Looks like Oliver has bragging rights over Viney for the Brownlow and the AA squad.  That should be enough to offset any disappointment at being just a few points behind him in the BnF.

9th is really an amazing effort by Oliver when we had Petracca and Gawn polling well. Hopefully, that quietens the folks on here that have questioned his 2020 performance.  Good to see the umpires finally giving him the recognition he deserves.

What I would say to that is Oliver in his first years was doing what Neale does and that is putting the handball in front of the player to run on to. It should have been/be an easy coaching task to show and explain this to Clayton. He may have said, but our players are stationary, which would then mean coaching is needed down the line to players receiving Clayton handball to get into space. More than one moving part.

Well done Lachie Neale. He’s had a great season and probably deserved the medal but 31 votes is definitely overs.  

8 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

 

6- Max needs help with his grooming AND another bloke who can’t tie a tie !!!  Great footballer. Funny bloke.  
 

 

 

Blame Dan for not opening the barber shops earlier. 

People trying to base decisions on our list based on what the umpires think

hmmm

10 hours ago, A F said:

As I mentioned the other day, the positioning of our list is very Richmond 2013-2016. An elite core with some decent support players and then a marked drop off at the bottom.

We've now even got the Martin going to North equivalent with Clarry to Carlton. It can turn quickly.

I reckon Richmond's Brownlow spread would have been similar in those aforementioned years to ours tonight.

Fix the system, bring in Yze, two or three other highly rated assistants, add Brown, Smith, Phillips and a speedy pressure forward or two and we'll be in the top 4 mix next year. The competition is soft. Richmond can't keep it going forever, Geelong are getting old. No one else scares me. 

2016

Dustin Martin 25

Trent Cotchin 9

*Alex Rance 7

Ben Griffiths 4

Brandon Ellis 3

Jack Riewoldt 2

Shaun Grigg, Anthony Miles 1

2015

Dustin Martin 21

Trent Cotchin 17

Anthony Miles 9

*Brett Deledio, Alex Rance 8

Brandon Ellis 7

Shane Edwards 6

Taylor Hunt, *Ty Vickery 4

*Ivan Maric, Jack Riewoldt 3

Bachar Houli, Kamdyn McIntosh 2

2014

Trent Cotchin 18

Dustin Martin 13

*Brett Deledio 12

Brandon Ellis 9

Jack Riewoldt 7

Anthony Miles 4

Alex Rance 3

*Reece Conca 2

*Ty Vickery 1

2013

Trent Cotchin 19

Dustin Martin 16

Brett Deledio 10

Daniel Jackson 9

Brandon Ellis, Shaun Grigg, Bachar Houli 5

Jack Riewoldt 4

Aaron Edwards, Alex Rance, Matt White 2

Tyrone Vickery, Nick Vlastuin 1

 

They made finals 2013-15 but not 2016. But there's an obvious consistency: Martin and Cotchin.

To be fair, two of their other A-graders during that time were Riewoldt and Rance, and forwards/defenders don't poll well.

Betting for the 2021 Brownlow Medal is Open.

NEALE Lachie (BRI)

6.00

CRIPPS Patrick (CAR)

7.00

FYFE Nathan (FRE)

8.00

MARTIN Dustin (RIC)

9.00

DANGERFIELD Patrick (GEE)

11.00

BONTEMPELLI Marcus (WB)

11.00

PETRACCA Christian (MEL)

13.00

BOAK Travis (PA)

17.00

MITCHELL Tom (HAW)

21.00

STEELE Jack (STK)

21.00

ROWELL Matt (GC)

26.00

MACRAE Jackson (WB)

26.00

MERRETT Zachary (ESS)

26.00

KELLY Tim (WCE)

34.00

TRELOAR Adam (COL)

41.00

PENDLEBURY Scott (COL)

41.00

GAFF Andrew (WCE)

41.00

OLIVER Clayton (MEL)

41.00

SHIEL Dylan (ESS)

51.00

MCGRATH Andrew (ESS)

51.00

JONES Zak (STK)

51.00

KELLY Joshua (GWS)

51.00

ADAMS Taylor (COL)

51.00

GAWN Max (MEL)

51.00

SIDEBOTTOM Steele (COL)

67.00

HIGGINS Shaun (NM)

67.00

PARKER Luke (SYD)

67.00

CONIGLIO Stephen (GWS)

67.00

GRUNDY Brodie (COL)

67.00

MCCLUGGAGE Hugh (BRI)

81.00

DANIEL Caleb (WB)

81.00

WHITFIELD Lachie (GWS)

81.00

WINES Oliver (PA)

81.00

GUTHRIE Cam (GEE)

81.00

SIMPKIN Jy (NM)

101.00

LAIRD Rory (ADE)

101.00

KENNEDY Josh (SYD)

101.00

HUNTER Lachlan (WB)

101.00

CROUCH Matt (ADE)

101.00

YEO Elliot (WCE)

101.00

VINEY Jack (MEL)

101.00

SHUEY Luke (WCE)

101.00

BRAYSHAW Angus (MEL)

101.00

BILLINGS Jack (STK)

101.00

ZORKO Dayne (BRI)

101.00

SHEED Dominic (WCE)

101.00

SMITH Bailey (WB)

101.00

MENEGOLA Sam (GEE)

101.00

SCHOLL Lachlan (ADE)

151.00

BOLTON Shai (RIC)

151.00

FRANKLIN Lance (SYD)

151.00

PRESTIA Dion (RIC)

151.00

DUNKLEY Josh (WB)

151.00

COTCHIN Trent (RIC)

151.00

SELWOOD Joel (GEE)

151.00

DUNCAN Mitchell (GEE)

151.00

WALSH Sam (CAR)

151.00

HAWKINS Tom (GEE)

151.00

GREENE Toby (GWS)

151.00

NAITANUI Nicholas (WCE)

151.00

SERONG Caleb (FRE)

201.00

HEPPELL Dyson (ESS)

201.00

EDWARDS Shane (RIC)

201.00

WORPEL James (HAW)

201.00

OMEARA Jaeger (HAW)

201.00

HOPPER Jacob (GWS)

201.00

ELLIS Brandon (GC)

201.00

CRISP Jack (COL)

201.00

BUTLER Dan (STK)

201.00

ROCKLIFF Tom (PA)

201.00

GOLDSTEIN Todd (NM)

201.00

ROSS Sebastian (STK)

251.00

HANNEBERY Daniel (STK)

251.00

ZAHARAKIS David (ESS)

251.00

WELLER Lachlan (GC)

251.00

TARANTO Tim (GWS)

251.00

SMITH Devon (ESS)

251.00

SLOANE Rory (ADE)

251.00

ROZEE Connor (PA)

251.00

RIEWOLDT Jack (RIC)

251.00

REDDEN Jack (WCE)

251.00

LYONS Jarryd (BRI)

251.00

LYNCH Tom (RIC)

251.00

LLOYD Jake (SYD)

251.00

LIBERATORE Thomas (WB)

251.00

JOHANNISEN Jason (WB)

251.00

HURN Shannon (WCE)

251.00

HOULI Bachar (RIC)

251.00

HILL Bradley (STK)

251.00

CURNOW Edward (CAR)

251.00

CAMERON Jeremy (GWS)

251.00

WINGARD Chad (HAW)

251.00

PAPLEY Tom (SYD)

251.00

LAMBERT Kane (RIC)

251.00

KENNEDY Josh (WCE)

251.00

CAMERON Charlie (BRI)

251.00

DIXON Charlie (PA)

251.00

STACK Sydney (RIC)

501.00

BUDARICK Connor (GC)

501.00

PARISH Darcy (ESS)

501.00

HILL Ian (GWS)

501.00

ZIEBELL Jack (NM)

501.00

WALKER Taylor (ADE)

501.00

SWALLOW David (GC)

501.00

STRINGER Jake (ESS)

501.00

STEPHENSON Jaidyn (COL)

501.00

SICILY James (HAW)

501.00

SCULLY Tom (HAW)

501.00

LEVER Jake (MEL)

501.00

HURLEY Michael (ESS)

501.00

HOGAN Jesse (FRE)

501.00

HEWETT George (SYD)

501.00

HARMES James (MEL)

501.00

GRIMES Dylan (RIC)

501.00

GRESHAM Jade (STK)

501.00

FRANCIS Aaron (ESS)

501.00

FIORINI Brayden (GC)

501.00

ELLIOTT Jamie (COL)

501.00

DUURSMA Xavier (PA)

501.00

DUMONT Trent (NM)

501.00

DE BOER Matthew (GWS)

501.00

DANIHER Joe (ESS)

501.00

CUNNINGTON Ben (NM)

501.00

COX Mason (COL)

501.00

CADDY Josh (RIC)

501.00

BURGOYNE Shaun (HAW)

501.00

BROWN Ben (NM)

501.00

BREUST Luke (HAW)

501.00

BLAKEY Nick (SYD)

501.00

BETTS Eddie (CAR)

501.00

BARRASS Tom (WCE)

501.00

ATKINS Rory (ADE)

501.00

ANDREWS Harris (BRI)

501.00

ALIIR Aliir (SYD)

501.00

MUNDY David (FRE)

501.00

KEAYS Ben (ADE)

501.00

WEITERING Jacob (CAR)

501.00

PARFITT Brandan (GEE)

501.00

OBRIEN Reilly (ADE)

501.00

FRITSCH Bayley (MEL)

501.00

PICKETT Marlion (RIC)

501.00

WITTS Jarrod (GC)

501.00

WARD Callan (GWS)

501.00

STEVEN Jack (GEE)

501.00

SHIELS Liam (HAW)

501.00

RAMPE Dane (SYD)

501.00

MURPHY Marc (CAR)

501.00

M-TIPUNGWUTI Anthony (ESS)

501.00

MOORE Darcy (COL)

501.00

MILLS Callum (SYD)

501.00

MCGOVERN Mitch (CAR)

501.00

HIPWOOD Eric (BRI)

501.00

HIMMELBERG Harrison (GWS)

501.00

GUNSTON Jack (HAW)

501.00

GREENWOOD Hugh (GC)

501.00

GRAY Robbie (PA)

501.00

DE GOEY Jordan (COL)

501.00

DARLING Jack (WCE)

501.00

Get on Matt Rowell at $26.

12 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Get on Matt Rowell at $26.

Agree with this. I put $20 on him after R1. Wonder how close he would have gone.

Toby Greene $151

 

9 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Some observations

 

1- I’m still surprised Ed Langdon didn’t get a single vote !!! He was clearly BOG vs the Pies. 
 

2- Oliver and Gawn perhaps over voted but they are right under the umps noses in the contest. If Max stays fit, I’d reckon he would be a chance one day to grab a Brownlow.  

3- Trac is a star ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

4- Steven May is a star. ⭐️⭐️⭐️????
 

5- Trac was best dressed. Three piece suit. 
 

6- Max needs help with his grooming AND another bloke who can’t tie a tie !!!  Great footballer. Funny bloke.  
 

7- Now Trac and Gus have a Brownlow bronze medal.  
 

8- Dees got total 61 votes. 6th highest. 
 

 

9.  Mitch Brown - 2 votes in round 18 v bombers. ?????

 

10. Gil Mc$$$lan

-“ Melbourne , C .....................” 

he loves the smallest suspense.  
 

(Trac was very unlucky in round 17 - 3 votes ... Melbourne.       C..... Oliver).