Let's have a look at our list and see how it stacks up. C grade is the bare minimum skills to play AFL IMO

A: Gawn, Petracca, May

B: Oliver, Viney, Salem, Langdon

C :Brayshaw, Lever, Jackson, Pickett, Harmes, Rivers, Bennell, Melksham, Vandenburg

D : Baker, Omac, Bedford, Hibberd, Hannan, Tomlinson, Jordan, Weideman,  Hunt, ANB, Sparrow, Fritsch, Hore, Lockhart, Jetta

E: Wagner's, Spargo, Chandler, Dunkley, Jones, Kolodjasnij, Preuss, Tmac, Nietzsche, Brown, Petty,  Smith, Bradtke

 

16 players that are AFL standard IMO 

Edited August 1, 20204 yr by Elegt
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Fair call on a lot of them.  That said it is a coachs job to improve players when they are in the system. The only one I can see who has improved under Goodwin is Petracca.

B grade for a winger who flaps his skinny arms around every player without being able to stick a tackle is very generous 

Salem and Langdon are C graders which are enigmas. There is only 5 players there that are of AFL quality ATM.

I'm being generous to Oliver who is an E grade kick. 

Edited August 1, 20204 yr by WERRIDEE

Oliver is A Grade at getting his body in a position to get the ball from the best tapman in the business. What he is not A Grade at is getting to the spots that will give him a clear kick. The question for Goodwin is whats the point of him getting the ball in positions where his kicks are not to advantage and often cause turnovers

  On 01/08/2020 at 07:41, Half forward flank said:

Oliver is A Grade at getting his body in a position to get the ball from the best tapman in the business. What he is not A Grade at is getting to the spots that will give him a clear kick. The question for Goodwin is whats the point of him getting the ball in positions where his kicks are not to advantage and often cause turnovers

He often kicks it into the man on the mark and coughs it up without pressure. Watch the Richmond game for a few examples 

@Elegt go to bed.

 

  On 01/08/2020 at 09:46, Lord Nev said:

@Elegt go to bed.

 

Play the ball

  On 01/08/2020 at 07:09, Elegt said:

Let's have a look at our list and see how it stacks up. C grade is the bare minimum skills to play AFL IMO

A: Gawn, Petracca, May

B: Oliver, Viney, Salem, Langdon

C :Brayshaw, Lever, Jackson, Pickett, Harmes, Rivers, Bennell, Melksham, Vandenburg

D : Baker, Omac, Bedford, Hibberd, Hannan, Tomlinson, Jordan, Weideman,  Hunt, ANB, Sparrow, Fritsch, Hore, Lockhart, Jetta

E: Wagner's, Spargo, Chandler, Dunkley, Jones, Kolodjasnij, Preuss, Tmac, Nietzsche, Brown, Petty,  Smith, Bradtke

 

16 players that are AFL standard IMO 

Just making a little note here -

NOT AFL QUALITY. Oscar and Tom McDonald, Hibberd, Hannan, Tomlinson, Weideman, Fritsch, Hore, Jetta, Smith, a few older guys and a bunch of kids.

I'm going to give you an over-under of 50% on the ten I've named there and see how it pans out by, say, end of 2021.

  On 01/08/2020 at 07:09, Elegt said:

Let's have a look at our list and see how it stacks up. C grade is the bare minimum skills to play AFL IMO

A: Gawn, Petracca, May

B: Oliver, Viney, Salem, Langdon

C :Brayshaw, Lever, Jackson, Pickett, Harmes, Rivers, Bennell, Melksham, Vandenburg

D : Baker, Omac, Bedford, Hibberd, Hannan, Tomlinson, Jordan, Weideman,  Hunt, ANB, Sparrow, Fritsch, Hore, Lockhart, Jetta

E: Wagner's, Spargo, Chandler, Dunkley, Jones, Kolodjasnij, Preuss, Tmac, Nietzsche, Brown, Petty,  Smith, Bradtke

 

16 players that are AFL standard IMO 

Gee I wonder how you'd rate the teams we've beaten?

 

Our depth is appaling, as demonstrated last night. I believe the majority of supporters overrate our list.

Geez.

  On 01/08/2020 at 07:09, Elegt said:

My edits 

A: (3) Gawn, Petracca, May

B: (7) Oliver, Viney, Salem, Langdon, Brayshaw, Hibberd, Lever

C grade: (6)Harmes, Bennell, Melksham, Tomlinson ; Hore, Weideman 

Development: (8) Petty, Jackson, Rivers, Pickett, Bedford, Sparrow, Jordan ; Nietschke 

D : (10) Fritsch, Lockhart, Baker, Vandenburg, Hannan,  Spargo, Hunt* ANB*,  Lockhart, Preuss*

I am comfortable with knocking our list down to 34 and then looking to pickup 3 in trades/DFA and 3 in draft = 40 on the list  

E: (All to be delisted)(10) c Wagner, j Wagner, Chandler, Dunkley, Kolodjasnij, OMac, Tmac,  Brown,  Smith, Bradtke

Retire- (2) Jones and Jetta 

 

Here’s my list recut. 

  On 04/09/2020 at 04:59, spirit of norm smith said:

Here’s my list recut. 

Brayshaw is useless, Lever is useless. These blokes drink their own bathwater

The anger is strong in this one

  On 01/08/2020 at 07:16, Half forward flank said:

That said it is a coachs job to improve players when they are in the system.

Woah. Hold everything. We can just sign up a heap of VFL players and other clubs' rejects, get them "in the system", watch them improve, and then stand back and wait for the premierships to roll in. This is going to save us a fortune on recruitment.

How many of those players could hit a target? May, Salem, Rivers and Melksham...... Disposal efficiency 53%

Edited September 7, 20204 yr by Rocknroll

You have gone about this the wrong way, ask yourself (better your friends who support other teams) what draft pick they would give up to get our player?

Example: Gawn 2 first round or a top 5 pick

Trac and May a top 10 pick

Oliver a first round pick many are happy to give up a top 10

Lever, Fritta, Weids end of first round/early second round

Brayshaw, VIney 2nd round pick

Langdon, Rivers ironically Jetta is still valued all get a nibble for a third round pick

The rest aren't rated as anything more than grabbing if free or trying to get a steal. Harmes is an example of this where they would quickly grab him but not if it costs.

Oh and Jackson is still viewed as 1st round based on potential.

 

Fritsch for a first/second rounder and Rivers a 3rd - not sure I agree with that. More likely the opposite way round.

If I was picking a team, Rivers would be well ahead of Fritta

 

This thread is the saddest aspect about being a Melbourne supporter now. It the realisation that after seven years we have a broken B game list. How did we get this bad it inexplicable. The only thing worse than the list is the coaching panel a complete list of C graders. The broom need to be put through the coaching panel. A list review also need completing with a dont come Monday for as many players as e can off load. 

  On 07/09/2020 at 19:14, bing181 said:

Woah. Hold everything. We can just sign up a heap of VFL players and other clubs' rejects, get them "in the system", watch them improve, and then stand back and wait for the premierships to roll in. This is going to save us a fortune on recruitment.

Fair call on a lot of them.  That said it is a coachs job to improve players when they are in the system. The only one I can see who has improved under Goodwin is Petracca.    

What is your go Ding? What are you being smart about.

We have had too many players drop away sharply this year and last, and sadly I can’t see many of them getting back to where they were previously.

Im thinking guys like TMac, Melksham, Brayshaw, Harmes, Jetta, VDB, Fritsch, Jones.

And nobody has emerged from the pack besides last year’s draftees. So many on the chopping block who have not been able to step up like Baker, Wagner x 2, Dunkley, Bedford, Hunt, Hannan, Chandler etc.

Rivers becoming one of my favourite players. Has some serious guts and toughness about him. 

Strip Baker and ANB of their 2 year deals and throw the cash in keeping this kid.

Baker and ANB on two year deals?

*sigh*

Development and gameplan has sucked the life out of our list.  Find Goodwin totally uninspiring to listen to, am sure the players would feel the same.  They played like coach killers last night.  Simon only realised his job was on the line in the last quarter haha.  All fine to play a system based game but you can't try and play with no emotion or you get dished up results like vs Sydney /Freo.

Interestingly was only in the last 10-12 minutes that we started playing with emotion and our energy levels seemed to rise.   

Emotion/passion/determination/pride are resources for motivation any smart coach should be using.

Simon just aint that smart and has shown he is stubborn to change things up at all.

We really need the next coach to evaluate our list, i think many are going to improve under a new reign with plenty to prove.  That being said we need a big broom to clean out the clear dead wood at least.

They can't be that many C to E graders on our list. Not if they were being properly developed anyway!