Joe Daniher

[Pulp Fritschon 647]

Round 1 compensation is a absolute farce. Secret formula what a joke. Makes me a bit sick to be honest. 

[whatwhat say what 20,421]

An even bigger farce than us getting band 1 for Chip - makes that one look positively justified

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

He  has  barely played in 3 years and his body is shot to bits.  Hes worth pick 50 a the most.

[buck_nekkid 5,648]

700k for 3 years?  I’d take that to lie in the sun and get my groin rubbed.

our kossie pickup looks awesome now.  All these additional picks will mean that our pick swap moves back, and back, and back..... last year was fairly clear, this year the top 10 could have 2 or more additional picks added

[Demons11 6,407]

29 minutes ago, Pulp Fritschon said:

Round 1 compensation is a absolute farce. Secret formula what a joke. Makes me a bit sick to be honest. 

Let’s not carried away, we got pick 3 for Frawley.  

[Demons11 6,407]

12 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

An even bigger farce than us getting band 1 for Chip - makes that one look positively justified

?it was daylight robbery 

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

15 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

700k for 3 years?  I’d take that to lie in the sun and get my groin rubbed.

our kossie pickup looks awesome now.  All these additional picks will mean that our pick swap moves back, and back, and back..... last year was fairly clear, this year the top 10 could have 2 or more additional picks added

 

Moving into last years draft and getting Kozzie was a stroke of genius.

Yes the picks are moving back and its heavily compromised, but the big one is that this years draft crop didn't play at all this season    Lost their most important development year.  Its a terrible year to have picks.

And to top it off we got 15 games of AFL into Pickett.

 

Edited October 30, 2020 by Pickett2Jackson

[whatwhat say what 20,421]

50 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

You almost wonder if there is something fishy going on there, just as there are speculations about 'side deals' going on with Crouch to St Kilda.

based on the compo for daniher, there's simply no way that the free agency offer for cocaine crouch from the aints won't generate pick 2 for the cows

it's one day into free agency and i'm more thankful than ever that we traded out our 2020 first last year to make sure we secured pickett

[Nascent 7,780]

Can someone please explain this quote from Dodoro for me that was in the age this afternoon.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/joey-was-really-close-to-staying-bombers-ceo-20201030-p56a2l.html

“I would like to thank Brisbane for their dealings in recent weeks. We feel we have reached a fair deal," he said.

Why would they be dealing/negotiating with Brisbane? As a RFA wouldn't Brisbane just put forward an offer to Joe and his management to which the bombers then review and decide to match? Isn't that how its supposed to work?

With my conspiracist googles on, it reads like they have been trying to engineer a first round compensation pick through what I can only imagine would be a form of either draft or trade tampering. I'll be keeping an eye out for a lop sided pick swap or some sort of transfer of player dirt cheap. 

 

 

Edited October 30, 2020 by Nascent

[Pulp Fritschon 647]

7 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Can someone please explain this quote from Dodoro for me that was in the age this afternoon.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/joey-was-really-close-to-staying-bombers-ceo-20201030-p56a2l.html

“I would like to thank Brisbane for their dealings in recent weeks. We feel we have reached a fair deal," he said.

Why would they be dealing/negotiating with Brisbane? As a RFA wouldn't Brisbane just put forward an offer to Joe and his management to which the bombers then review and decide to match? Isn't that how its supposed to work?

With my conspiracist googles on, it reads like they have been trying to engineer a first round compensation pick through what I can only imagine would be a form of either draft or trade tampering. I'll be keeping an eye out for a lop sided pick swap or some sort of transfer of player dirt cheap. 

 

 

Yes very interesting quote indeed.

I assume the dealings may have gone something like -  Brissy first offer was 600k a year for 4 years. Dodoro goes no make it $700k a year for 3 years. That will give us pick 7 and we won’t force you to trade for him. We both win. 

 

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,214]

He’s a great player when fit.  

He’s somewhat mentally fragile but is one of the few current forwards who can tear a game apart in minutes.  Definitely worth a first round pick.

[DubDee 22,007]

Pick 7 seems fair to me. He’d be on a big contract and has amazing talent. Watch him play 20 games next year. He just Didn’t want to play for the bombers. And I completely understand that

[Moonshadow 16,620]

The compo system is terrible.

That we got 3 for Chip is a joke. That the Bummers get 7 for a guy that can't get on the park is stupid. That Hawks got 19 for Buddy was ridiculous.

I know it's based upon the team ladder position, but that is arbitrary to the player's real value 

Get rid of compo. Completely. 

[Demon Disciple 11,215]

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

The compo system is terrible.

Get rid of compo. Completely. 

If that were to happen, clubs would argue for being able to trade contracted players, and the AFLPA will never agree to that

[Lucifers Hero 37,524]

16 hours ago, Pulp Fritschon said:

Yes very interesting quote indeed.

I assume the dealings may have gone something like -  Brissy first offer was 600k a year for 4 years. Dodoro goes no make it $700k a year for 3 years. That will give us pick 7 and we won’t force you to trade for him. We both win.

And the AFL turn a blind eye to it.  After all, they need to 'make Ess strong again for the good of the competition'.  Along with all those prime FTA spots and venue fixturing they get.

 

As an aside I wonder if the AFL turn a blind eye if Saints/Crows play similar games and give Crows pick 2...

Edited October 31, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[godees 716]

I am amazed that Brisbane would offer enough guaranteed $ in the contract to get first round compensation. He has barely played in three years and far from dominated in his games this year.

[Deemania since 56 6,345]

14 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

The compo system is terrible.

That we got 3 for Chip is a joke. That the Bummers get 7 for a guy that can't get on the park is stupid. That Hawks got 19 for Buddy was ridiculous.

I know it's based upon the team ladder position, but that is arbitrary to the player's real value 

Get rid of compo. Completely. 

Compo definitely further compromises an already questionable and uneven playing field in player trading that hamstrings the legitimacy of the AFL and every club so affected - both negatively and as it might be, advantageously. 

[Dr. Gonzo 22,829]

On 10/30/2020 at 6:34 PM, whatwhatsaywhat said:

An even bigger farce than us getting band 1 for Chip - makes that one look positively justified

How much is Daniher getting from the Lions? Chip was given a big contract which is why we got band 1 compo

[whatwhat say what 20,421]

56 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

How much is Daniher getting from the Lions? Chip was given a big contract which is why we got band 1 compo

that's the thing - who knows? contracts are all secret squirrel

with the compo being totally secret herbs and spices, and the afl having the discretion to do whatever they want, the band 1 compo for daniher seems utterly absurd

the afl even admitted that we got overs for chip: https://www.afl.com.au/news/126321/revealed-what-it-takes-to-earn-firstround-free-agency-compensation-

we were gifted band 1 compo cos the afl had earlier refused to give us a priority pick, which is what we REALLY should have received, given how atrocious we were on field for a five year period, plus an end of first round compo pick for chip

whole thing is a farce, as we all know

[Diamond_Jim 12,107]

The reported salary for Daniher was 600k x 5 years

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/10/19/what-essendon-want-for-joe-daniher/

hard to think that $600k warrants a 7 pick

[Uncle Fester 2,843]

7 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The reported salary for Daniher was 600k x 5 years

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/10/19/what-essendon-want-for-joe-daniher/

hard to think that $600k warrants a 7 pick

Harder to believe they gave him 5 years. He can seriously play when he is on but mostly he’s broken or his head is up his bum 

[Ethan Tremblay 28,839]

9 minutes ago, Uncle Fester said:

Harder to believe they gave him 5 years. He can seriously play when he is on but mostly he’s broken or his head is up his bum 

It ended up being three years. 

[Lucifers Hero 37,524]

15 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The reported salary for Daniher was 600k x 5 years

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/10/19/what-essendon-want-for-joe-daniher/

hard to think that $600k warrants a 7 pick

That was a few weeks ago before the argy -bargy got going.  I think it had some incentive payments on top of the base $600k.

Its interesting that there are no reports of the $ that were in the final offer 3 year.  To get 1st rnd pick it would need to be $750-$800k base.   A sizeable jump (and risk) for a player who has hardly played for 3 years.  But hey, they have to spend their sal cap on someone...

Does anyone know if a club can renegotiate an FA offer a year or so later.