For those who want Harmes as a tagger, which of Oliver, Petracca, Brayshaw (and then Viney) are you moving out to accomodate this?

He’s too far down the pecking order to spend much time in the guts now. That’s why Goodwin is exploring alternative roles. I don’t mind the wing suggestion. But irrespective of position, he looks horribly out of form at present. 

Yes needs a big boost. Form has desserted him. I’d give him a Pendlebury or Sidebottom assignment this week. Maybe play on Sidebottom on the wing opposite to Langdon.  

9 minutes ago, Nasher said:

For those who want Harmes as a tagger, which of Oliver, Petracca, Brayshaw (and then Viney) are you moving out to accomodate this?

He’s too far down the pecking order to spend much time in the guts now. That’s why Goodwin is exploring alternative roles. I don’t mind the wing suggestion. But irrespective of position, he looks horribly out of form at present. 

Harmes follows Sidebottom. When Sidebottom goes into the starting 4 in the square, then one of our other mids moves forward or to the bench.

6 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Yes needs a big boost. Form has desserted him. I’d give him a Pendlebury or Sidebottom assignment this week. Maybe play on Sidebottom on the wing opposite to Langdon.  

That makes sense to me - one of their best creators shutting him down very important

9 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Yes needs a big boost. Form has desserted him. I’d give him a Pendlebury or Sidebottom assignment this week. Maybe play on Sidebottom on the wing opposite to Langdon.  

Ice cream or blancmange? ?

I love it.  Chocolate ripple cake with a scoop of vanilla ice cream. 
 

yes   - Harmes “form has *deserted him “

this year, at times, he is playing like he is wasted.

2 hours ago, Nasher said:

For those who want Harmes as a tagger, which of Oliver, Petracca, Brayshaw (and then Viney) are you moving out to accomodate this?

He’s too far down the pecking order to spend much time in the guts now. That’s why Goodwin is exploring alternative roles. I don’t mind the wing suggestion. But irrespective of position, he looks horribly out of form at present. 

Horribly out of form playing in role he hasn't played much of prior.  He'll be fine in the middle in a pure tagging role /pushing forward on occasions and can easily share a pressure forward role with Jack on the odd occasions he is required to tagg.

It's not a permanent role.  The team needs to be capable of flexing when required to do what's best for the team on any particular day.  That day is coming with a tag a must on sidey this week.

You are giving the Pies a free hit by not doing so and Viney will blossom in a pressure forward role (part time).  It's not an issue and not sure why some have trouble seeing this option.  It's not like we haven't witnessed Harmes play this role, and play it very well mind you, on prior occasions 

If we can get him back to his 2018 form like how Brayshaw has turned it around, we will win the flag.

Love this, love the idea of Viney going forward as a pressure forward part time.  With Harmes tagging Sidebottom this week, could be a great time to trial it. 

 

Harmes isn't really suited to half back IMO because he is not super quick, long limbed, skilled or that good a decision maker.

I cannot see him getting back into the midfield given Petracca's improvement, but wing or forward would make more sense to me.

3 hours ago, Nasher said:

For those who want Harmes as a tagger, which of Oliver, Petracca, Brayshaw (and then Viney) are you moving out to accomodate this?

He’s too far down the pecking order to spend much time in the guts now. That’s why Goodwin is exploring alternative roles. I don’t mind the wing suggestion. But irrespective of position, he looks horribly out of form at present. 

I've said he should play three roles. Tagger/most defensive mid, pressure marking forward and winger. That's plenty of options, but as to whether we have enough midfield minutes to give, there's a player you haven't mentioned above and that's Sparrow who is getting midfield minutes and to me looks quite lost in transition. And I'd play Viney as pressure forward too.

Edited August 10, 20204 yr by A F

Think he should tag the most dangerous Wing on the opposition team so he's involved in the midfield without removing anyone from centre bounces, and/or play whatever role Jones is currently attempting up forward when not on wing

Edited August 10, 20204 yr by adonski

3 minutes ago, adonski said:

Think he should tag the most dangerous Wing on the opposition team so he's involved in the midfield without removing anyone from centre bounces, and/or play whatever role Jones is currently attempting up forward when not on wing

Ditto

Not everyone can average 20+ touches.

The fact that we have players who don't, but have the potential to do so, means we're heading in the right direction.

If you're going to advocate for more midfield time for Gus or forward time for Harmesy, you've got to explain how you want that to happen - who are they replacing in those roles?

Thought he mopped up the ball really nicely a couple of times repeatedly at the end of the third, otherwise his disposal was very ordinary again.

I like that the coaches have finally looked at fixing the Brayshaw wing versus central square problem. They definitely need to look at the Harmes is struggling problem too.

I think Harmes has the attributes to be a damaging half back flanker, using his marking and power to slingshot attacks, but I just don't think it's working at the moment.

Despite his disposal being ordinary against Collingwood, his positioning within the zone and his work rate could not be questioned and I wonder if it's just a case of him growing into his new role?

Still persists with harmes in tbe backline to no effect today. Man up goodwin and make the change 

Play Rivers, Harmes is cooked

Sparrow's injury opens the door for the return of Harmes to at least a wing/tag/half forward rotation. Rivers in at half back.

But the question is does it really help him or us if he's not settled long term in a position?

 

Three things are guaranteed in life:

Death, taxes, and Elegt bringing up his own threads after a loss.  Why doesn't this occur after a win?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just quietly, Harmes is way out of form and has been all year.....

5 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Three things are guaranteed in life:

Death, taxes, and Elegt bringing up his own threads after a loss.  Why doesn't this occur after a win?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just quietly, Harmes is way out of form and has been all year.....

yep, and Goodwin has never played Harmes in another position this year; an indictment on his inability to coach. Would've been an ideal candidate to tag bontempelli today

Gotta bring in Rivers at this point. Harmes may be wasted on the list let alone half back at this point.

Wouldn't be surprised if he asked for a trade. We are not making the most out of his ability.

With Sparrow out, why not move Harmes into that midfield rotation spot now?

 

2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

With Sparrow out, why not move Harmes into that midfield rotation spot now?

 

The better question might be - why was Sparrow in the rotation in the first place, taking CBA's off of both Brayshaw & Petracca