What they're saying down at Royal Parade

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,850]

• We lost that game, they didn't win it.
• What an absolute disgrace. Melbourne are ******* ****ful. We had 5 chances to win the game..in a row...we f’ed them all.
• Melbourne completely ran out of legs after half time. When the game was full pace we were completely uncompetitive.
• No one to blame but ourselves
• McGovern [censored] me. Every game it's endless insipid efforts, then he'll put in a 10 minute burst of really good footy to ensure he's selected again the next week. This is exactly what adelaide fans didnt like about him.
• Melbourne will do nothing this year, FRAGILE.
• We’re a bottom 3 side, so are Melbourne.
• Melbourne are [censored] and we are ****ter, sorry I couldn't be more articulate in my summery.
• Eddie is finished I am sad to say...…. Was a passenger .
• One person beat us, well two actually, Teague and Gawn. Our avenue to goal, Long to the waiting arms of their ruck man.
• We got bent over and f’ed at the starting blocks.
• It’s looking like 0-3 which means season over.
• Disgusting, another spoon coming right up. Freo who are arguably in a worse position than us look a much better team.
• Tom McDonald towelled us up last time Weiters was real good.
• Pathetic. Margin is irrelevant. Bottom 4. Season over. Our players are soft. We need a new president that can develop a ruthless culture.

[Dame Gaga 2,453]

Welcome to our world, entitled Carlton supporters. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaahahaahaha.....     Someone pass me a valium.

[Moonshadow 17,676]

Not much there to disagree with

[rolling fog 1,207]

Thanks @Queanbeyan Demon

Reverse the names and it could almost be DL!

[Demon Disciple 12,136]

If i was a Carlton supporter, i'd be [censored] that the quarters were reduced. An extra couple of minutes and and we would've been toast.

[Whispering_Jack 30,169]

Given the number of times in recent years that others have done to us what we did to Carlton, I’ll take the money and run. They’re a better team than what they’re being credit for and I think we’ve lost the fitness edge we had earlier in the season.

It’s already clear that this is going to be a different year - one that’s going to involve changes from weeks to week, experimentation and creativity. We don’t look like we’re in the race based on the first two rounds but history tells us that you can’t judge your fortunes on one or two games. I remember us in 2018 suffering a bad loss early against Hawthorn and thinking we were no hope for the season ahead. But we turned it around, won a couple of games and gathered momentum to finish in a prelim final. We have 15 rounds left and there’s still time to do the same again.

[Tarax Club 3,916]

As usual a most perceptive and insightful post Whispering _ Jack. We absolutely stole the chocolates and they're left with some rather over boiled lollies. Take an ugly ugly win any day to coming up one behind short.

Query on your very first post today for GAMEDAY "Its been a long time coming". Were you channeling the great Sam Cooke, David Crosby or the Zutons?

[BW511 2,669]

Carlton should be [censored], but they did exactly what we can’t - change things up when the game was getting out of hand.

Pittonet was fantastic in the last 3 quarters. Gawn’s first quarter was immense, then he faded out of the game.

On paper, we look like a 5-6 goal better side and they made us look big ordinary for the majority of the game

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

9 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Not much there to disagree with

They are spot on.

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

13 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Given the number of times in recent years that others have done to us what we did to Carlton, I’ll take the money and run. They’re a better team than what they’re being credit for and I think we’ve lost the fitness edge we had earlier in the season.

It’s already clear that this is going to be a different year - one that’s going to involve changes from weeks to week, experimentation and creativity.

I suspect the look of lost legs, was a lot to do with  MfcSS  mindset.

When anyone worries in sport,  fearful of the oncoming beast,  its the legs that suffer.  the hormones that run riot with fear mode,  do us a lot of damage (physical and mental), in games.

 

Its an area in our culture, (inside and outside) we have to reduce. because it brings all of us undone.  We have to battle the opposition,    and the inner-fears and self doubts that continue to rise within our minds, causing a mild inner panic.  And a Lot of wasted energy, and mistakes are caused from within this mindset.

I know and understand this unfortunate situation well.

[drysdale demon 4,836]

6 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

I suspect the look of lost legs, was a lot to do with  MfcSS  mindset.

The supporters weren't out on the ground

[bush demon 2,041]

13 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Given the number of times in recent years that others have done to us what we did to Carlton, I’ll take the money and run. They’re a better team than what they’re being credit for and I think we’ve lost the fitness edge we had earlier in the season.

It’s already clear that this is going to be a different year - one that’s going to involve changes from weeks to week, experimentation and creativity. We don’t look like we’re in the race based on the first two rounds but history tells us that you can’t judge your fortunes on one or two games. I remember us in 2018 suffering a bad loss early against Hawthorn and thinking we were no hope for the season ahead. But we turned it around, won a couple of games and gathered momentum to finish in a prelim final. We have 15 rounds left and there’s still time to do the same again.

This must be the worst wrist-slashing after a win I've ever heard. A 30-40 pt lead is nothing these days, we did shut them down when it counted. Once we get someone to clunk marks in the forward half we won't be so vulnerable on the rebound.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,220]

47 minutes ago, bush demon said:

This must be the worst wrist-slashing after a win I've ever heard. A 30-40 pt lead is nothing these days, we did shut them down when it counted. Once we get someone to clunk marks in the forward half we won't be so vulnerable on the rebound.

We are definitely lacking a key forward as a crucial part of our structure. TMac is struggling since his foot/ankle injuries, Weideman hasn't come on and Jackson is a 1 gamer. If we can find someone who can clunk marks and kick straight we'll look far better. So many times yesterday we kicked to a lead or one on one but the player was outmarked or beaten easily in the contest

[daisycutter 29,616]

22 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We are definitely lacking a key forward as a crucial part of our structure. TMac is struggling since his foot/ankle injuries, Weideman hasn't come on and Jackson is a 1 gamer. If we can find someone who can clunk marks and kick straight we'll look far better. So many times yesterday we kicked to a lead or one on one but the player was outmarked or beaten easily in the contest

well we did have a forward who had 5 set shots at goal, all very gettable, for a miserly 1.4 return

whilst his miserable final point did in fact make him the game winner, up till then he was looking like the game loser

i do hope he spends all week practicing his goal kicking

[chookrat 4,250]

1 hour ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

I suspect the look of lost legs, was a lot to do with  MfcSS  mindset.

When anyone worries in sport,  fearful of the oncoming beast,  its the legs that suffer.  the hormones that run riot with fear mode,  do us a lot of damage (physical and mental), in games.

 

Its an area in our culture, (inside and outside) we have to reduce. because it brings all of us undone.  We have to battle the opposition,    and the inner-fears and self doubts that continue to rise within our minds, causing a mild inner panic.  And a Lot of wasted energy, and mistakes are caused from within this mindset.

I know and understand this unfortunate situation well.

Collingwood, Hawthorn and Eagles (all highly successful teams/clubs faded badly in the second half. I honestly think across the league it will take the first few rounds for teams to establish some consistency. A positive from our match is the first half provides a clear picture of the way we want to play, so the coaches can show players what our game style is meant to look like, and then use footage from the second half to compare what we did differently btw halves and the impact on how things unfold.

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

6 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We are definitely lacking a key forward as a crucial part of our structure. TMac is struggling since his foot/ankle injuries, Weideman hasn't come on and Jackson is a 1 gamer. If we can find someone who can clunk marks and kick straight we'll look far better. So many times yesterday we kicked to a lead or one on one but the player was outmarked or beaten easily in the contest

It looks to me that we have bulked TMc up heaps,  in upper,  and in legs...  most likely for him to be power deep forward.  The only reason I can can up with is this,  for him to play alongside either Weide, or Jacksosn,  so to help them grow.

One  (Weide or Jackson),  would have to play high out,  whist the other plays beside TMc, to work in tandem.  TMc doesn't really posses much pace,  nor a big leap.   So to play the deep role, he has to build his power, to hold ground.

This could allow either Jackson or Weide,  to position, to mark in the packs.

Obviously to play all 3,  they all have to be inform,  and working as a unit, creating space and drawing defenders to where we want them to be.   This also goes hand in and with our quick agile,  small runners.

We have the pieces to make this work now. 

But we lack the exposed class for our future.   It may be on our list;  and it might not.

Edited June 14, 2020 by MyFavouriteMartian

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

6 hours ago, chookrat said:

Collingwood, Hawthorn and Eagles (all highly successful teams/clubs faded badly in the second half. I honestly think across the league it will take the first few rounds for teams to establish some consistency. A positive from our match is the first half provides a clear picture of the way we want to play, so the coaches can show players what our game style is meant to look like, and then use footage from the second half to compare what we did differently btw halves and the impact on how things unfold.

Yep, agreed;    but I think we got a bit comfortable at Qtr timwe, but our good momentum, and Carlton's failings continued for a few minutes into the 2ndQtr.  And with that, I noticed we started to place the all into F50,  more shabbily.   We weren't mentally as careful with decision making,  as in the 1st Qtr.

 

We lost our mental edge via complacency.  As we traditionally do.   Go off the boil. 

 

This... IMO, is why we play better when we are the Hunters,   and why we panic a bit,  when being hunted.  

A sign of a culture that is easily satisfied.  Then switch off,  instead of going in for the kill.

[chookrat 4,250]

35 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Yep, agreed;    but I think we got a bit comfortable at Qtr timwe, but our good momentum, and Carlton's failings continued for a few minutes into the 2ndQtr.  And with that, I noticed we started to place the all into F50,  more shabbily.   We weren't mentally as careful with decision making,  as in the 1st Qtr.

 

We lost our mental edge via complacency.  As we traditionally do.   Go off the boil. 

 

This... IMO, is why we play better when we are the Hunters,   and why we panic a bit,  when being hunted.  

A sign of a culture that is easily satisfied.  Then switch off,  instead of going in for the kill.

Yep agree re complacency, which is where a scare like we had v Carlton can be useful tool for getting us playing consistently for the rest of the season. Looking forward to seeing us play like we did in the first quarter for a full game v Druggies on Sunday.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,220]

9 hours ago, daisycutter said:

well we did have a forward who had 5 set shots at goal, all very gettable, for a miserly 1.4 return

whilst his miserable final point did in fact make him the game winner, up till then he was looking like the game loser

i do hope he spends all week practicing his goal kicking

Fritsch is not a key forward. I thought the west coast gane proved that. Far too slight. We need to play TMac out of the square next week (assuming he plays).

[loges 6,767]

8 hours ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Yep, agreed;    but I think we got a bit comfortable at Qtr timwe, but our good momentum, and Carlton's failings continued for a few minutes into the 2ndQtr.  And with that, I noticed we started to place the all into F50,  more shabbily.   We weren't mentally as careful with decision making,  as in the 1st Qtr.

 

We lost our mental edge via complacency.  As we traditionally do.   Go off the boil. 

 

This... IMO, is why we play better when we are the Hunters,   and why we panic a bit,  when being hunted.  

A sign of a culture that is easily satisfied.  Then switch off,  instead of going in for the kill.

Definitely need to be the hunters, this is why we blow so many games we are expected to win.

[Josh 1,420]

9 hours ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Yep, agreed;    but I think we got a bit comfortable at Qtr timwe, but our good momentum, and Carlton's failings continued for a few minutes into the 2ndQtr.  And with that, I noticed we started to place the all into F50,  more shabbily.   We weren't mentally as careful with decision making,  as in the 1st Qtr.

 

We lost our mental edge via complacency.  As we traditionally do.   Go off the boil. 

 

This... IMO, is why we play better when we are the Hunters,   and why we panic a bit,  when being hunted.  

A sign of a culture that is easily satisfied.  Then switch off,  instead of going in for the kill.

Would you care to elaborate on this a little or was it just an off the cuff comment? 

There has been something not quite right about my team at work and you just hit the nail on the head. We seem to suffer from this (and I think your correct pointing out Melbourne do as well) and was just wondering if there is some team building theories around this?

[Nasher 33,616]

If I didn’t know the score and just judged off the comments from both groups, I’d conclude that both teams lost somehow.

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

10 hours ago, loges said:

Definitely need to be the hunters, this is why we blow so many games we are expected to win.

And some of this is fitness at Mfc.  Not this season, but referring to past eras. 

IMV:  "IF the hawks are a happy team".  then  "WE are a comfy team".  that this is our past DNA of past teams.  I think we have been too much like a safe zone were players come to survive and exist without really extracting everything they have to give to the cause.   

To me it  "Feels"  like the same feeling of the Mcc.   That it's a safe and cosy place in there.   And yes,  I have been inside the Mcc,  many,  many times.

        My aim isn't to maim or to changer the Mcc....  my aim is to point out that Our Footy club should not be like that,  should not be so gentle like in there,  should not be so gentlemanly as a footy club.

 

Respectful to people around our day to day lives, yes,   But on match-days,  we should be like SAS soldiers,  and go for the Kill.

 

That aggressiveness is the difference to playing games out...  to beat the opponents,  to win at all costs.

Up against a gentlemanly side who want to play friendly,  play nice,  play by the rules,  fair,  and all the things you would hope people are like,  in day to day life.  But dose off during the course of games.

 

So I think the antidote to switching off during games,  is to be aggressive in mindset,  be mean,  be nasty,  during all times of the match.

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

10 hours ago, Josh said:

Would you care to elaborate on this a little or was it just an off the cuff comment? 

There has been something not quite right about my team at work and you just hit the nail on the head. We seem to suffer from this (and I think your correct pointing out Melbourne do as well) and was just wondering if there is some team building theories around this?

I haven't pulled it to pieces to dissect it, but I have noticed it time and time again.

The teams under Northey played with much more aggression,  which elevated us to a higher level.  And with that heightened awareness, came more hunger.

 

That was the basic difference between Northey's and Barass's teams;  although the kids had started to come thru from Barass's sides,  into the era of Northey's coached teams;  so there was a unity,  a brotherhood,  that knitted everything together. 

And there where AJohnson and Hughes SWight, BLovett, were in the teams;  and '87 saw Viney,  Spalding  and WDean arrive,  with Koopy,  and others Mumbles Bailey was already there,  so the team/club,  lost its timidity of the physical world of AFL.  And Strawbs and Stynes, Tingay, Yeater, and others,  we had a no-nonsense team with a winning mindset.

 

That team was a bit like,  Aussie Golf & Greg Norman.   Aussie golf rode on Normans coat-tails,  as he forged and slashed a pathway thru world golfs jungles.  And since many have trodden that path with less expended mental energy to get thru. and so they have more to use when they got there and they did indeed, grab success.

 

Now with the Northey teams;  our USA of Golf were the Hawks...  and we got pummeled a few times,  just like Norman did in the US majors.

What Melbourne really needed was to continue developing youth in a healthy cultural environment.  But that environment eroded,  the learning and disciplined environment of growth eroded.  And went sour.

Became more about individuals,  than about the team and club.   This is when the tail grows large,  and wags the dog.  

And the rest is now history.  And that lasted past a few coaches,  until the club and list was stripped right back to bones. 

And Roosy came onboard to rebuild,  onto a few remaining players,  who had hand-me-down attitudes and culture.  And a hangover of sorts,  from 2 decades of ware and tare and generally an undertone of self interest.

This is why talented teams without the right attitude and hunger,  still fail.

Edited June 15, 2020 by MyFavouriteMartian

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,838]

9 hours ago, Nasher said:

If I didn’t know the score and just judged off the comments from both groups, I’d conclude that both teams lost somehow.

I don't think I've ever come across a game  where both sets of supporters were ropeable with the result - including the winners.