Training Ground?

[old dee 23,787]

2 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Tenancy agreements are with the MCC not the AFL. Fixturing by the AFL is not associated with where a training base is located. 

Regardless, we will lose our meagre admin areas in the MCG when the Southern stand development is started in 2027(? ).  So we need to have something permanent in place before then. 

I have zero confidence in that happening  George.

[No. 31 1,235]

I pass through Caulfield Station several times per week and I see the bulldozers are currently out in force at Caulfield Racecourse! I sincerely hope the MFC Board are not napping and day dreaming of a quality facility in the shadows of the MCG that will probably never see the sunshine. The more I think about it, this Caulfield Racecourse opportunity is potentially a real gift horse [pun intended] 🐴

[—coach— 3,496]

17 hours ago, No. 31 said:

I pass through Caulfield Station several times per week and I see the bulldozers are currently out in force at Caulfield Racecourse! I sincerely hope the MFC Board are not napping and day dreaming of a quality facility in the shadows of the MCG that will probably never see the sunshine. The more I think about it, this Caulfield Racecourse opportunity is potentially a real gift horse [pun intended] 🐴

Certainly is a heap of activity atm at Caulfield. I’m one of the many orange shirted people you will on the site at the moment and thought I’d give an update for all those interested. The current works are focused on the outer side of the track aimed at improving the facilities and experience for spectators, racing staff (jockeys, trainers, admin staff, connections etc) and the horses themselves. Not so much occurring in the inside of the track which is where we would potentially have a base. Will post the odd picture or two for those interested over the coming weeks.

[—coach— 3,496]

[Lucifers Hero 39,737]

For lots of reasons I really like the idea of this as our base.

Just wondering whether our building of even 2 or 3 levels high would block the view to the 'other' side of the track for spectators etc

Perhaps the idea is that an oval is in the middle and our infrastructure would be outside the track.  One would think if that was the case it would be factored into the build phase and we would know about it.

How do others see it working...?

Edited February 15, 2023 by Lucifers Hero

[layzie 33,793]

8 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

For lots of reasons I really like the idea of this as our base.

Just wondering whether our building of even 2 or 3 levels high would block the view to the 'other' side of the tractor for spectators etc

Perhaps the idea is that an oval is in the middle and our infrastructure would be outside the track.  One would think if that was the case it would be factored in to the build phase and we would know about it.

How do others see it working...?

Luci is back! Hope you had a good Xmas and new year LH 😀

Location wise I love the idea. It's not that far from the precinct and very accessible by car or public transport. Building and planning wise I do wonder how many difficult obstacles like that there would be. I'd have to look into it a bit more, realistically how much of that land would we need for a base?

[—coach— 3,496]

16 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

For lots of reasons I really like the idea of this as our base.

Just wondering whether our building of even 2 or 3 levels high would block the view to the 'other' side of the tractor for spectators etc

Perhaps the idea is that an oval is in the middle and our infrastructure would be outside the track.  One would think if that was the case it would be factored in to the build phase and we would know about it.

How do others see it working...?

Would definitely obscure the view. You could probably build a large underground level then a ground level on top which would limit obstruction, but obviously the less stories you have the larger the building footprint. The deeper you go the more expensive the build would be per square meter so not sure what would be the best option.

[daisycutter 29,613]

5 minutes ago, —coach— said:

Would definitely obscure the view. You could probably build a large underground level then a ground level on top which would limit obstruction, but obviously the less stories you have the larger the building footprint. The deeper you go the more expensive the build would be per square meter so not sure what would be the best option.

i believe the idea is to have admin etc and buildings outside the track. apparently all the old stabling area is going so there would be a ton of space. redleg could probably tell you more about that

[Lucifers Hero 39,737]

53 minutes ago, layzie said:

Luci is back! Hope you had a good Xmas and new year LH 😀

Location wise I love the idea. It's not that far from the precinct and very accessible by car or public transport. Building and planning wise I do wonder how many difficult obstacles like that there would be. I'd have to look into it a bit more, realistically how much of that land would we need for a base?

Thanks Layzie.  Hope you also had a great festive season.

I had a great family Xmas then it all went south 😭  Tested + for Covid on Boxing day with symptoms lasting up to 6 weeks.  Did my knee two weeks ago and last weekend my car (which I love) was stolen.  Left wondering where all those black cats I din't see are🙄

🤞and 🙏my bad luck for 2023 is over!

[No. 31 1,235]

What is owned by the MRC and what is Crown Land at Caulfield Racecourse. The main training oval (with MCG dimensions) inside the racecourse and perhaps a secondary training oval at Glen Huntly oval with indoor facilities/ administration where the stabling yards are (height of the building/structure is not an issue there).

[Cyclops 509]

1 hour ago, No. 31 said:

What is owned by the MRC and what is Crown Land at Caulfield Racecourse. The main training oval (with MCG dimensions) inside the racecourse and perhaps a secondary training oval at Glen Huntly oval with indoor facilities/ administration where the stabling yards are (height of the building/structure is not an issue there).

A great location and a great idea. A few issues to work  through.

The area West of the railway station and North of the course is now high rise apartments. There was parking there initially.

The inside of the course is also parking. Several thousand vehicles park there for Caulfield Spring Carnival Meetings in October. There are two tunnels from the exterior to the interior of the course.   Is underground parking on the cards? That is under the ovals. Of course parking for racegoers could be on the ovals though not ideal.

I am actually quite hopeful about the prospect.

[Supreme_Demon 3,834]

1 hour ago, No. 31 said:

What is owned by the MRC and what is Crown Land at Caulfield Racecourse. The main training oval (with MCG dimensions) inside the racecourse and perhaps a secondary training oval at Glen Huntly oval with indoor facilities/ administration where the stabling yards are (height of the building/structure is not an issue there).

If we cannot get something built in the MCG/Olympic Park/Gosch's Paddock precinct then I am not against this idea at Caulfield Racecourse as a secondary option.

Eitherway, we need to hold the Melbourne Football Club Board accountable and expect to hear an update on our Home Base at the Melbourne Football Club AGM on the 20th of February.

 

[No. 31 1,235]

22 minutes ago, Cyclops said:

A great location and a great idea. A few issues to work  through.

The area West of the railway station and North of the course is now high rise apartments. There was parking there initially.

The inside of the course is also parking. Several thousand vehicles park there for Caulfield Spring Carnival Meetings in October. There are two tunnels from the exterior to the interior of the course.   Is underground parking on the cards? That is under the ovals. Of course parking for racegoers could be on the ovals though not ideal.

I am actually quite hopeful about the prospect.

I have no inside knowledge. I have only been to the Caulfield Cup once and sat some Monash University exams at the racecourse many moons ago, however I do pass the area by train regularly. I remember parking for my exams where they new apartment complexes are and doing panic last minute cramming in the car 😁

I suspect that any MFC training facility would be located in the red areas I circed. That is the southern, Glen Huntly end of Caulfield Racecourse, close to Glen Eira Secondary College. Allowing the school some level of access to some facilities may even bring in some decent government funding ... something to think about 🤔

[layzie 33,793]

2 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Thanks Layzie.  Hope you also had a great festive season.

I had a great family Xmas then it all went south 😭  Tested + for Covid on Boxing day with symptoms lasting up to 6 weeks.  Did my knee two weeks ago and last weekend my car (which I love) was stolen.  Left wondering where all those black cats I din't see are🙄

🤞and 🙏my bad luck for 2023 is over!

Gee wiz, I guess it really does come in threes.. That's horrible, hopefully past the worst and only red and blue confetti at the G in September to look forward to!

[Redleg 40,895]

9 hours ago, daisycutter said:

i believe the idea is to have admin etc and buildings outside the track. apparently all the old stabling area is going so there would be a ton of space. redleg could probably tell you more about that

Absolutely. Huge areas where stables were available for development. A low rise grandstand built far in enough from the back of the track, wouldn’t obscure race viewing from the current grandstands.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,237]

9 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Thanks Layzie.  Hope you also had a great festive season.

I had a great family Xmas then it all went south 😭  Tested + for Covid on Boxing day with symptoms lasting up to 6 weeks.  Did my knee two weeks ago and last weekend my car (which I love) was stolen.  Left wondering where all those black cats I din't see are🙄

🤞and 🙏my bad luck for 2023 is over!

FMD Luci! That is ****ful luck !

As you know ... they reckon it comes in threes ... so you should be in for a bumper year. Maybe Tattlotto !

Anyway, glad to see Demonland's top poster back in action.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,207]

12 hours ago, —coach— said:

Certainly is a heap of activity atm at Caulfield. I’m one of the many orange shirted people you will on the site at the moment and thought I’d give an update for all those interested. The current works are focused on the outer side of the track aimed at improving the facilities and experience for spectators, racing staff (jockeys, trainers, admin staff, connections etc) and the horses themselves. Not so much occurring in the inside of the track which is where we would potentially have a base. Will post the odd picture or two for those interested over the coming weeks.

I'm unfamiliar with the racecourse but I don't understand how a modern training facility could be built in the middle of it. Wouldn't it obscure the other side of the track for racegoers? (Excuse my ignorance, haven't been to the races since I was dragged along to Derby Day circa 2004).

[Dr. Gonzo 24,207]

11 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

For lots of reasons I really like the idea of this as our base.

Just wondering whether our building of even 2 or 3 levels high would block the view to the 'other' side of the track for spectators etc

Perhaps the idea is that an oval is in the middle and our infrastructure would be outside the track.  One would think if that was the case it would be factored into the build phase and we would know about it.

How do others see it working...?

Haha should have read the next post! Great minds LH 😝

[Grr-owl 1,219]

8 hours ago, No. 31 said:

I have no inside knowledge. I have only been to the Caulfield Cup once and sat some Monash University exams at the racecourse many moons ago, however I do pass the area by train regularly. I remember parking for my exams where they new apartment complexes are and doing panic last minute cramming in the car 😁

I suspect that any MFC training facility would be located in the red areas I circed. That is the southern, Glen Huntly end of Caulfield Racecourse, close to Glen Eira Secondary College. Allowing the school some level of access to some facilities may even bring in some decent government funding ... something to think about 🤔

Good point re the school. Facilities there are absolute shyt. No conflict of interest on my part, ofc, though my kids go there. No, no, no.... no conflict of interest at all. 

[censored] that I am, the first time I visited I assumed the Glenhuntly oval was attached in some way to the school, ignoring the fact that a rinlgock fence without a gate separated the two. Alas, by the time the penny dropped the kids were in and now have but a [censored] poor parody of a running track to dart about on, though tbh the gym aint bad....

Any case, I'm all in for MFC to Caufield RC. Get it done!

[whatwhat say what 22,741]

screen caps from pert's presentation that is pertinent to this post

 

perhaps worth a 'sticky' in this thread, @Demonland?

Edited February 23, 2023 by whatwhat say what
added second pic

[cantstandyasam 700]

3 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

screen caps from pert's presentation that is pertinent to this post

 

perhaps worth a 'sticky' in this thread, @Demonland?

Really like the Caulfield option.

[layzie 33,793]

Watch this space.... forever 

[DemonSam 171]

I'm somewhat ok with this news?

At least they are holding out for a good option, we've heard so many ideas over the years and I want something actually kickass.

I liked the Jolimont Station idea but that seems to have been scratched.

Wouldn't mind kicking Collingwood back to Victoria Park.

[Dante 2,739]

On 2/8/2023 at 12:25 AM, Supreme_Demon said:

Eddie likes to have an opinion about everything. Full of ideas about other AFL Clubs which he has nothing to do with!

While Port Melbourne has it's merits I cannot see that possibility happening unless all other options are exhausted.

If anything Collingwood should leave Olympic Park and move somewhere else and we can bulldoze the Holden Centre and build something a lot nicer. I bet Eddie wouldn't like that idea!

The priority, at this stage, should be something at Gosch's Paddock. Ideally using "Carpark F" and nearby surrounds.

The big issue is the cost of probably $100 million or more.

Anyway, I will not rest until this matter of our Home Base has been rectified. We need to hold the Melbourne Football Club Board accountable for getting this issue finalised!

The cost of the new home ground may be excess of $100 million now but it would have been a lot less if it had been the priority and done 20 years ago. It will also be a lot more in 20 years when they finally get round to doing it. 

The cost and availability will increase and decrease over time. 

I'm too old to worry about it now and will be long gone in 20 years.

[picket fence 17,142]

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