Sooooo.....  someone else can still take him then, as with Hannath?

  On 04/11/2019 at 07:04, JTR said:

Sooooo.....  someone else can still take him then, as with Hannath?

Assuming as a delisted player he can pick his destination. Hannath was never on a list and went to the rookie (?) draft. 

Bennell doesn’t need to go into any draft I assume we can pick him up in March as we did with Lockhart and I assume the order of picks is as per the draft so we have pick 2. Thus only GC can trump us, thus if we want him, he’s ours. 
 

Please correct if I’m wrong. 

Holy [censored] this is so unlike of Melbourne!

  On 04/11/2019 at 07:14, Jaded said:

Assuming as a delisted player he can pick his destination. Hannath was never on a list and went to the rookie (?) draft. 

Bennell doesn’t need to go into any draft I assume we can pick him up in March as we did with Lockhart and I assume the order of picks is as per the draft so we have pick 2. Thus only GC can trump us, thus if we want him, he’s ours. 
 

Please correct if I’m wrong. 

Seeing as he has decided to train with us we get 1st crack at picking him, no one else can take him unless we say we don’t want him, so technically he is a Melbourne player just waiting to see if we give him a contract or not

Edited November 4, 20195 yr by brendan

  On 04/11/2019 at 06:31, JTR said:

Just for those such as myself who aren't completely across all the various recruitment methods/rules, does this development mean that subject to him getting through everything successfully, he is 100% ours now?

Or is there still a chance the likes of Geelong could still pinch him?  

My understanding/best guess is that Harley is on an all-in "paid" training arrangement, which means he can only be selected by the club he is training with.  We are paying him on the proviso that, provided he does not have a further 'major' break down (say surgery is required vs a lessor evil such as a bit longer in recovery/rehab off the track), then we will confirm him as an SSP rookie.

The SSP commences 1 Dec and finishes 15 March so we would need to confirm him on the rookie list prior to the 15th.  All going well I assume we will nominate him well before the 15th and more than likely before the year is out as per 36's mail.

It would not surprise me if both parties have already settled on some key dates including an 'all's well - tick the final box' nomination date.

He is ours or nobody's from here is my best guess and only nobody's due to another major (Lucifer forbid) setback.  Fingers, toes and tail crossed!

Edited November 4, 20195 yr by Rusty Nails

  On 04/11/2019 at 07:14, Jaded said:

Assuming as a delisted player he can pick his destination. Hannath was never on a list and went to the rookie (?) draft. 

Bennell doesn’t need to go into any draft I assume we can pick him up in March as we did with Lockhart and I assume the order of picks is as per the draft so we have pick 2. Thus only GC can trump us, thus if we want him, he’s ours. 
 

Please correct if I’m wrong. 

I doubt the club would risk him on an unpaid training trial as it would leave us open to him going elsewhere but it would also not be the greatest option for Bennell either as he would then need to nominate himself in the pre-season draft where he could be picked up by anyone.  Even someone other than who he has trained with second up.  Once he trains (unpaid) with more than one club he must nominate for the draft and can't be rookied.  And if everyone knows we've rejected him they would be thinking twice in a big way, lessening his chances to land anywhere or with a club of preference in a best case scenario under that option.  Highly unlikely and something he would have been advised to avoid by his manager imv and something we would unlikely agree to.

Would be very surprised if this is anything but an all or nothing 'paid' gambit by both parties.  Both parties have in effect gone 'all-in'.

Edited November 4, 20195 yr by Rusty Nails

  On 04/11/2019 at 07:14, Jaded said:

Assuming as a delisted player he can pick his destination. Hannath was never on a list and went to the rookie (?) draft. 

Bennell doesn’t need to go into any draft I assume we can pick him up in March as we did with Lockhart and I assume the order of picks is as per the draft so we have pick 2. Thus only GC can trump us, thus if we want him, he’s ours. 
 

Please correct if I’m wrong. 

You are wrong, in that he is now ours. The arrangement re training allows him to be taken as a supplemental player and placed onto our rookie list. 

That way the pressure of fans and media is avoided and he can be uplifted, if he is to be selected in the senior side. If not he merely stays on the rookie list. 

The fact that it is announced, means he has selected us but can't train with us for a couple of weeks, until the relevant period starts.

  On 04/11/2019 at 08:15, Redleg said:

You are wrong, in that he is now ours. The arrangement re training allows him to be taken as a supplemental player and placed onto our rookie list. 

That way the pressure of fans and media is avoided and he can be uplifted, if he is to be selected in the senior side. If not he merely stays on the rookie list. 

The fact that it is announced, means he has selected us but can't train with us for a couple of weeks, until the relevant period starts.

That seems really silly, I mean if club and player have agreed on a course of action then why not cut to the chase?

That said I’m sure he will meet with our medicos who will monitor the program I’m sure he’s been given. 

For me I think the club has handled this really well, it’s a mixture of risk and prudence. We’ve taken a punt on him, given him another chance but we’ve done our due diligence and haven’t rushed into anything. 

Welcome to wearing Red and Blue Harley!

  On 04/11/2019 at 08:38, Pates said:

That seems really silly, I mean if club and player have agreed on a course of action then why not cut to the chase?

 

Yep, but that's the rule.

  On 04/11/2019 at 08:38, Pates said:

That seems really silly, I mean if club and player have agreed on a course of action then why not cut to the chase?

That said I’m sure he will meet with our medicos who will monitor the program I’m sure he’s been given. 

For me I think the club has handled this really well, it’s a mixture of risk and prudence. We’ve taken a punt on him, given him another chance but we’ve done our due diligence and haven’t rushed into anything. 

Welcome to wearing Red and Blue Harley!

Not at all.  Quid pro quo.

Bennell gets to train at a club he would like to end up with (for at least $1k per week) and we get to try before we buy.

Personally i would think both parties have already settled on an in-principal signing and contract terms post a 'lead up trial period/assessment' over a few weeks ie; from 1st Dec through till whenever that is, for want of an official date lets say it's end of Dec per Leoncelli36's mail.

Edited November 4, 20195 yr by Rusty Nails

  On 04/11/2019 at 00:50, Mike said:

It worries me that we're speaking with both Bennell and now Sam Murray and could potentially have both on our list soon. As much talent as they both have, culture is more important IMO. Only takes a few bad seeds to infect the club.

I'm of the opposite view.

The club has been a laughing stock for over 50 years,nearly merging,dishing up years like 2019 & all through it we have chased choir boys with no fight in them or no fight.

We can't get any lower than we are & I couldn't care if we recruited murderers,I want results & nothing else

Irrespective of all the above provisos, well done to both parties and I'm glad the Dee's have taken the punt on him. If it doesn't work out then so be it but at least it shows that Melbourne have lost that conservatism that's been stopping us from picking up players that may have a bit of a reputation.

Welcome Harley and let's hope that we have some good years ahead, for both our sakes.

 

Wait can't Geelong still select him in the drafts before the SSP comes into play?

Edited November 4, 20195 yr by Deefiant

  On 04/11/2019 at 09:32, Deefiant said:

Wait can't Geelong still select him in the drafts before the SSP comes into play?

Nope.

  On 04/11/2019 at 09:32, Deefiant said:

Wait can't Geelong still select him in the drafts before the SSP comes into play?

He would need to nominate for the draft for that to happen 

  On 04/11/2019 at 00:50, Mike said:

It worries me that we're speaking with both Bennell and now Sam Murray and could potentially have both on our list soon. As much talent as they both have, culture is more important IMO. Only takes a few bad seeds to infect the club.

I see what your saying, and am not disagreeing at all.  Our predicament (building a slow list) has forced us to look where others fear to tread; and we have no choice but to gamble.

What I would add is that there are many 'finger-pointers' with good reputations that I think don't necessarily add to culture either.  Lewis, and Melksham were serial offenders.  Clarry's go at Fritsch may have been isolated, but he learnt from the best.

Roos' no-DH policy might have won him a flag at Sydney, but it might of cost Melbourne Toby Green for a "packet of chips".

 

 

Culture just isn't about getting guys in that are good solid citizens.  Did Lewis really buy into the red and blue?  I doubt it.  It was Hawthorn, Roughy, Buddy, daylight, then Melbourne.  With Melky, it is Melky, Melky, Melky, daylight, then Melbourne.

With Frost, I saw a guy bleed for the jumper.

 

Just reading it from afar; but that is my perception.

  On 04/11/2019 at 10:08, TGR said:

I see what your saying, and am not disagreeing at all.  Our predicament (building a slow list) has forced us to look where others fear to tread; and we have no choice but to gamble.

What I would add is that there are many 'finger-pointers' with good reputations that I think don't necessarily add to culture either.  Lewis, and Melksham were serial offenders.  Clarry's go at Fritsch may have been isolated, but he learnt from the best.

Roos' no-DH policy might have won him a flag at Sydney, but it might of cost Melbourne Toby Green for a "packet of chips".

 

 

Culture just isn't about getting guys in that are good solid citizens.  Did Lewis really buy into the red and blue?  I doubt it.  It was Hawthorn, Roughy, Buddy, daylight, then Melbourne.  With Melky, it is Melky, Melky, Melky, daylight, then Melbourne.

With Frost, I saw a guy bleed for the jumper.

 

Just reading it from afar; but that is my perception.

Ah yes, senior players with experience to teach, pointing directions = lack of culture. But Frost having nothing to teach, and therefore nowhere to point = bleeding for the jumper.

  On 04/11/2019 at 10:08, TGR said:

 Did Lewis really buy into the red and blue?  I doubt it.  It was Hawthorn, Roughy, Buddy, daylight, then Melbourne.  

You know., I don't post much but I have been reading the boards for many years. I always thought you were a bit odd, but I'm tolerant so I let personal opinions slide. However; when you slate Lewis like that, and I saw no reason to think he wasn't committed to the cause, it goes beyond tolerance and you need to be called out. I rate Lewis and his contribution to the club. I do not rate self indulgent internet dweebs with agendas  and bad attitutudes. (Some may say simpeltons).

If we applied the Roos policy on here I'm sure you would be one of the first to go.

Edited November 4, 20195 yr by Left Foot Snap

  On 04/11/2019 at 10:08, TGR said:

I see what your saying, and am not disagreeing at all.  Our predicament (building a slow list) has forced us to look where others fear to tread; and we have no choice but to gamble.

What I would add is that there are many 'finger-pointers' with good reputations that I think don't necessarily add to culture either.  Lewis, and Melksham were serial offenders.  Clarry's go at Fritsch may have been isolated, but he learnt from the best.

Roos' no-DH policy might have won him a flag at Sydney, but it might of cost Melbourne Toby Green for a "packet of chips".

 

 

Culture just isn't about getting guys in that are good solid citizens.  Did Lewis really buy into the red and blue?  I doubt it.  It was Hawthorn, Roughy, Buddy, daylight, then Melbourne.  With Melky, it is Melky, Melky, Melky, daylight, then Melbourne.

With Frost, I saw a guy bleed for the jumper.

 

Just reading it from afar; but that is my perception.

Frost bleeds for the jumper? FMD you are serious aren't you? You're perception is [censored] rooted.

  On 04/11/2019 at 10:52, BAMF said:

Frost bleeds for the jumper? FMD you are serious aren't you? You're perception is [censored] rooted.

I dont think I have seen a post by that guy that hasnt been drooling over Frost.

Imagine being obsessed with a D grade footballer.

  On 04/11/2019 at 11:02, Superunknown said:

I found that funny

The demonland photoshop afro optical illusion? I thought i was getting a bit carried away...

Edited November 4, 20195 yr by John Demonic

This is bloody fantastic.

 

well even if it comes to nowt, it will add a bit of spice to the preseason

nothing wrong with dreaming.....wishing'n'hoping......and costs sfa

Edited November 4, 20195 yr by daisycutter

12 months from now............Heavens 2/1 is a bit rough for the 2020 Flag.......i suppose as Old Dee says we will have to try for another CHF seeing as we have our first pick at 21.....ZZZzzz

Taking on these “washed up” players could see us labeled a bennellovant society?