2 hours ago, The Chazz said:

We put Petty up forward because we literally had no-one else.  Mitch Brown was a delisted veteran who we've picked up as a rookie.  And Jackson hasn't played a game yet.  Presuming all is fair and equal, you've got these 3 ahead of Joel Smith.  Think you've proven my point.

As for shifting him back, I just don't know what role he fills.  Is he our 2nd/3rd tall?  Having him competing with Lever and Oscar?  Is he that mid-sized defender, competing with Hibberd and Hore?  He's not a small like Nev, and he's not a Salem-type.  And given our tall forward stocks, if someone went down in the backline, Petty is a capable replacement.

The initial point was that some think that having a fit Smith will make a significant difference to the team.  I just can't see where he fits in, and at whose expense, and quite frankly, I just don't think he's good enough in the first place, with many players ahead of him in competing positions (as you've kindly pointed out above).

Agree with your point that we can’t be relying on him, although of course we shouldn’t be relying on anyone to make a significant impact outside our top players.

As for what position he should play - I think all players should train for their best position and develop their strengths. There’s 45+ spots on the list to field a team, get each player to do what they do well first. What does Smith do best - move incredibly well with good size, where’s that best utilized - the backline.

As for team balance: Frost is out down back, Fritsch is in forward and Petty is forward. -1 back, +2 forward. 

I was a Petty down back fan but he lacks speed and doesn’t seem a natural contesting for position, where as his marking and finding front position are strong traits. On the theory of developing players at what they do best it makes sense to try that marking/presenting ability as a forward, even with a packed depth chart.

2 hours ago, The Chazz said:

And Jackson hasn't played a game yet.  Presuming all is fair and equal, you've got these 3 ahead of Joel Smith.  Think you've proven my point.

JSmith imv,  is not a tall; and not a small, obviously.

2 hours ago, The Chazz said:

As for shifting him back, I just don't know what role he fills.  Is he our 2nd/3rd tall?  Having him competing with Lever and Oscar?  Is he that mid-sized defender, competing with Hibberd and Hore?  

I my mind, I think JSmith will be our new, to become competent, 'swingman'_

An ex basketballer, so should have good hands and mind in close,  probably could play in all sectors For/Bck/Mids.

I see him as a medium who plays tall, and good below his hands.? 

 

My tall forwards bracket are TMc, Weide, Petty, MBrown, LJackson, May, Gawn, Preuss.

47 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

JSmith imv,  is not a tall; and not a small, obviously.

I my mind, I think JSmith will be our new, to become competent, 'swingman'_

An ex basketballer, so should have good hands and mind in close,  probably could play in all sectors For/Bck/Mids.

I see him as a medium who plays tall, and good below his hands.? 

 

My tall forwards bracket are TMc, Weide, Petty, MBrown, LJackson, May, Gawn, Preuss.

Just to clarify, are you proposing taking May out of the defence permanently or just moving him forward should a need arise?  

5 hours ago, The Chazz said:

 

The initial point was that some think that having a fit Smith will make a significant difference to the team.  I just can't see where he fits in, and at whose expense, and quite frankly, I just don't think he's good enough in the first place, with many players ahead of him in competing positions (as you've kindly pointed out above).

Frosts’ role is there for the taking is it not? If we want Lever to play the intercept then its Omac or Smith for the second tall defender. Smith offers more defensive flexibility I suggest. 

Can i ask everyone's honest opinion on the melbournefc.com media coverage on the camp..

Cheers.

Pig looks in ripping nick and good to see, he has the reputation for enjoying the offseason too much, glad to see he and others have made the most of the offseason/preseason.

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/559228/maroochydore-camp-michael-hibberd?videoId=559228&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1580636501001

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Can i ask everyone's honest opinion on the melbournefc.com media coverage on the camp..

Cheers.

Thought it was crap compared to previous years. I have enjoyed the one on one interviews but the stories and the humour in previous training camps was far better. Hated the limited vision and photos and think some of the contributors on here would have done a far better job as volunteers. If this is an example of what our media people produce, when it's their only job while they're up there, then I think they are being payed under false pretenses. By all means post snippets on twitter but how can our own media department not understand the member and potential member demographic?

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7 hours ago, The Chazz said:

We put Petty up forward because we literally had no-one else.  Mitch Brown was a delisted veteran who we've picked up as a rookie.  And Jackson hasn't played a game yet.  Presuming all is fair and equal, you've got these 3 ahead of Joel Smith.  Think you've proven my point.

As for shifting him back, I just don't know what role he fills.  Is he our 2nd/3rd tall?  Having him competing with Lever and Oscar?  Is he that mid-sized defender, competing with Hibberd and Hore?  He's not a small like Nev, and he's not a Salem-type.  And given our tall forward stocks, if someone went down in the backline, Petty is a capable replacement.

The initial point was that some think that having a fit Smith will make a significant difference to the team.  I just can't see where he fits in, and at whose expense, and quite frankly, I just don't think he's good enough in the first place, with many players ahead of him in competing positions (as you've kindly pointed out above).

You make some good points. I was one who thought his best position was forward and I was sure he would be played forward. That does not appear to be the case. Agree that it is hard to see where he fits in down back.

I can also understand why you dont rate him that highly.

All that said I really reckon he has something. And i expect him to play most games.

 

51 minutes ago, dworship said:

Thought it was crap compared to previous years. I have enjoyed the one on one interviews but the stories and the humour in previous training camps was far better. Hated the limited vision and photos and think some of the contributors on here would have done a far better job as volunteers. If this is an example of what our media people produce, when it's their only job while they're up there, then I think they are being payed under false pretenses. By all means post snippets on twitter but how can our own media department not understand the member and potential member demographic?

Agree wholeheartedly.  Our media department in covering this was quite [censored] poor compared to other years.

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Can i ask everyone's honest opinion on the melbournefc.com media coverage on the camp..

Cheers.

Channelling joeboy:

Not good enough.

2 hours ago, dworship said:

Thought it was crap compared to previous years. I have enjoyed the one on one interviews but the stories and the humour in previous training camps was far better. Hated the limited vision and photos and think some of the contributors on here would have done a far better job as volunteers. If this is an example of what our media people produce, when it's their only job while they're up there, then I think they are being payed under false pretenses. By all means post snippets on twitter but how can our own media department not understand the member and potential member demographic?

What a ridiculous comment.

Please list the number of staff who were up there, their roles, their position descriptions, KPIs and salary.

(You may want to note that all the content produced by MFC from the camp was credited under one name).

Honestly, having a sook about training camp videos not being funny enough is one thing, but claiming people you don't know, let alone what their jobs are, are being "payed under false pretenses" is next level stuff.

14 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

What a ridiculous comment. Ridiculous is in the eye of the beholder

Please list the number of staff who were up there, their roles, their position descriptions, KPIs and salary.

Touche, that's like me asking people for a source isn't it? How about; if there was a cast of thousands paid squillions then there output wasn't as good as it was in the past. Conversely, if it was the work experience kid, the output wasn't as good as it was in the past. Dazzle asked for honest opinions regarding our media performance, that's what I gave.

(You may want to note that all the content produced by MFC from the camp was credited under one name). Aha, so it was under resourced and perhaps that was why it was not as good. (My work experience analogy might not have been so outrageous.) Gee think about how busy the kid must have been running around taking his 4 photos every second day and the 90sec poorly filmed bit of action. Then it was get it up on twitter and then ..................

I did enjoy the interviews as I said. 

Honestly, having a sook about training camp videos not being funny enough is one thing, but claiming people you don't know, let alone what their jobs are, are being "payed under false pretenses" is next level stuff.

Well that's pretty funny, I just gave an honest opinion to a question that was asked by Dazzle, a question that you didn't respond to but instead decided to attack my opinion. You must have been enraged. Enough to not be accurate. I said "the stories and the humour in previous training camps was far better" I never said anything about funny videos. As to "next level stuff" let's be honest, you and I have had a number of differing opinions of late. That has surprised me as that hasn't always been the case, or at least our differences have been cordial. I suspect that you decided to pot me due to history and I think you're bigger than that.

 

3 hours ago, binman said:

You make some good points. I was one who thought his best position was forward and I was sure he would be played forward. That does not appear to be the case. Agree that it is hard to see where he fits in down back.

I can also understand why you dont rate him that highly.

All that said I really reckon he has something. And i expect him to play most games.

 

If we're talking Smith here 'bin', I think we're in trouble if he plays most games.

Like Frost I think the athleticism he offers is often undone by poor decision making.

Excuse me if it’s been mentioned before but was KK sighted at the camp AT ALL?

On 2/2/2020 at 6:59 AM, old dee said:

Hi Rev good to see you again, the difference is this mob continue it into the real games.

Yeah, I know. This year I'm adopting an attitude of optimistic indifference. I've promised myself I will not repeat last year's unbridled pre-season enthusiasm that saw me lash out early and buy memberships for my two sons and my lovely lady.  Oh, it was so promising, and then we got hit with the demon stick once again. This year I'm pretending to be oblivious to all pre-season  hype and maintaining a calm and rational demeanour .

Hope you're well young man.

7 hours ago, rjay said:

If we're talking Smith here 'bin', I think we're in trouble if he plays most games.

Like Frost I think the athleticism he offers is often undone by poor decision making.

Yes, you might be right that with the second paragraph. But I think he has significant scope for improvement where's frost doesn't. As I noted I just reckon he has something. Also as an elite basketball his decision making should be pretty good.

 If we have fit, good list to choose 22 from each week and Smith is in that 22 it will be an indication he is up to it not a sign we are in trouble.

Time will tell.

13 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Can i ask everyone's honest opinion on the melbournefc.com media coverage on the camp..

Cheers.

I thought it was lame. When they trotted out the footage of a handful of players walking down some steps, I thought - is that all you can come up with? The rest was for the most part bland.

3 hours ago, The Reverend said:

Yeah, I know. This year I'm adopting an attitude of optimistic indifference. I've promised myself I will not repeat last year's unbridled pre-season enthusiasm that saw me lash out early and buy memberships for my two sons and my lovely lady.  Oh, it was so promising, and then we got hit with the demon stick once again. This year I'm pretending to be oblivious to all pre-season  hype and maintaining a calm and rational demeanour .

Hope you're well young man.

Even if your enthusiasm is more constrained this year, I hope you've still bought memberships for yourself, your two sons and lovely lady.

Edited February 4, 20205 yr by La Dee-vina Comedia
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14 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Can i ask everyone's honest opinion on the melbournefc.com media coverage on the camp..

Cheers.

Burgo’s ‘ Daily Camp Diary’ a few years back was great quality and one that most remember for good reason. I thought this year we were getting more content as opposed to last year, the quality didn’t quite stack up to Burgo but i guess it comes down to what the individual craves. 

All I remember from last year’s camp was Hibbo doing some sort of tribal dance in the middle  of the group and Salo’s Barber Shop.

1 hour ago, Roger Mellie said:

I thought it was lame. When they trotted out the footage of a handful of players walking down some steps, I thought - is that all you can come up with? The rest was for the most part bland.

The thing that is frustrating is that there is no need for all of the video content to be of a professional production standard.

And whilst tbe the standard player interview had its place they are usually pretty boring and dont give much insight about the player himself (boys are up and about, tge new giuys ate settling in but can't cook, a hood chance to bond yada yada yada)

Post somw smart phone clips giving an insight into who tbe players are and some inner sanctum behind tbe scenes stuff . Quality doesnt matter. Kids wstch hundrrds iof ow quality clips on their various platforms. Rhey could care less about quality.

Easy, cheap and fans, particularly ypung people love it. Nba clubs do it all the time. No excuse for us not to be doing so also.

 

Edited February 4, 20205 yr by binman

Dees fans - 'Stop talking and start winning!'

Also Dees fans - 'The club doesn't talk enough!'

 

42 minutes ago, binman said:

The thing that is frustrating is that there is no need for all of the video content to be of a professional production standard.

And whilst tbe the standard player interview had its place they are usually pretty boring and dont give much insight about the player himself (boys are up and about, tge new giuys ate settling in but can't cook, a hood chance to bond yada yada yada)

Post somw smart phone clips giving an insight into who tbe players are and some inner sanctum behind tbe scenes stuff . Quality doesnt matter. Kids wstch hundrrds iof ow quality clips on their various platforms. Rhey could care less about quality.

Easy, cheap and fans, particularly ypung people love it. Nba clubs do it all the time. No excuse for us not to be doing so also.

 

Hitting the juice early Bin?

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Dees fans - 'Stop talking and start winning!'

Also Dees fans - 'The club doesn't talk enough!'

 

Yeah, can't remember how many times on this site I have heard stuff along the lines of forget the talk we want wins

Edited February 5, 20205 yr by drysdale demon
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Those complaining about the media coverage don’t forget we have the hell and back video dropping soon 

2 hours ago, binman said:

The thing that is frustrating is that there is no need for all of the video content to be of a professional production standard.

And whilst tbe the standard player interview had its place they are usually pretty boring and dont give much insight about the player himself (boys are up and about, tge new giuys ate settling in but can't cook, a hood chance to bond yada yada yada)

Post somw smart phone clips giving an insight into who tbe players are and some inner sanctum behind tbe scenes stuff . Quality doesnt matter. Kids wstch hundrrds iof ow quality clips on their various platforms. Rhey could care less about quality.

Easy, cheap and fans, particularly ypung people love it. Nba clubs do it all the time. No excuse for us not to be doing so also.

 

I reckon you'r right be.

Dland reporters have provided some high quality commentary and photos without any huge infrastructure or structural support.

The Qland troupe maintained the standard and well done to them.

The club provided content is necessarily formulating c as they are probably offered to conventional media. We still do not have enough clout to get the content on that media, unless it is Max's leg.

Its good that the club a team least posts its content to us but we are unlikely to get more cover until we have success.

Who knows Dland posters may have job opportunities (ie hardbacks son Liam) as we begin to forge our next premiership. By the time we have completed our three peat Saty, Baghdad, and George will be the Joffa of Demons.