TRAINING: Wednesday 4th December 2019

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6 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Funny to watch him in the continuous hand ball drill, threw himself in with gusto and spent his petrol tickets early, suddenly realised the drill lasted longer than he thought

Fought through it though

Saty, that's way too positive a post, shame on you, focus on the negative man!!

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8 hours ago, drdrake said:

We are the worst kicking side in the AFL

Not only hyperbole, but if stats are anything to go by, irrelevant. e.g. In 2018 we were indeed the most clanger-prone team in the comp. Closely followed by ... the two grand finalists, Richmond and GWS - neither of whom are exactly shining lights when it comes to disposal efficiency either.

FWIW, stats-wise, best kicking side (best DE, fewest clangers) are the Bulldogs.

 

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1 minute ago, bing181 said:

Not only hyperbole, but if stats are anything to go by, irrelevant. e.g. In 2018 we were indeed the most clanger-prone team in the comp. Closely followed by ... the two grand finalists, Richmond and GWS - neither of whom are exactly shining lights when it comes to disposal efficiency either.

FWIW, stats-wise, best kicking side (best DE, fewest clangers) are the Bulldogs.

 

I would hazard to guess this also reflects game plans. Bulldogs not a high marking team so have a game plan based more around keeping control of the ball with short passes to close targets where they can retain control of the ball. Whereas to a lesser extent Tigers kick longer and we kick longer kaos balls to contests. GWS are more of short kicking team as well. Not sure it's accurate they were top 3 worst kicking teams. Stats are only ever as useful as how people choose to use them. 

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22 hours ago, Cards13 said:

I’m tipping him for a bounce back season, he is looking great condition and if I Recall Saty said last year he likes an offseason to enjoy himself. He looks ready to go for this year and he’ll be brilliant again. 

Im  not I think he is cooked! Happy to be proved wrong BUT!

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9 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Im  not I think he is cooked! Happy to be proved wrong BUT!

You should have added again after wrong.

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I’ve used the Precision Footy at my footy club and it’s a really good training aid .... and I’m well into my 30s! It’s deliberate practice, especially at times where you are just doing a simple kicking drill (or warming up) and you can just focus on technique. Then, after repitition, this will feel more natural and will naturally transfer into time where you are not focusing on technique.

I think the golf analogy is a really good one. Look at the best golfers do their warm ups. They have any number of training aids, from mirrors that they putt on, to poles to align their stance. Would you go up to Jon Rahm and tell him that it’s ridiculous to warm up with an alignment stick, since any decent golfer would already know where he’s hitting it? 

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31 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Im  not I think he is cooked! Happy to be proved wrong BUT!

$100 he finishes top 10 in the BnF?

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On 12/4/2019 at 11:46 AM, FarNorthernD said:

Would love any reports on Bradtke. The pressure has gone up on him a bit with the arrival of Jackson

 

On 12/4/2019 at 11:49 AM, AllMyTeamsAreWank said:

Really? A First round draft pick Vs a Cat B rookie. Wouldn't any result from Bradtke be considered a bonus. 

I think Jackson is the perfect foil (in theory) for Gawn, and one day, for Bradtke.   When they mature enough.  The mobile follower & the giraffe.

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22 hours ago, Cards13 said:

I’m tipping him for a bounce back season, he is looking great condition and if I Recall Saty said last year he likes an offseason to enjoy himself. He looks ready to go for this year and he’ll be brilliant again. 

I want to see that absolutely rabid, manic attack he had on the ball and the opposition at all times return.

I kept thinking he looked like a convict who’d just escaped from an Alabama penitentiary and was literally running for his life. Full bore. He was unstoppable.

He seemed to lack that manic intensity this season. Fingers crossed, it returns.

 

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On 12/4/2019 at 11:58 AM, drdrake said:

Weiderman look big across the Shoulders.  He gets first hands on the ball hopefully in 2020 we see him strong enough to mark the ball more

The boy is starting to grow. 

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1 hour ago, Earl Hood said:

Uncle I used to use a textor to draw a circle on my golf ball as an aid when putting. Set the line on the ball vertical so you could check you were putting the ball cleanly and consistently toward the hole. Same idea with these footies I guess. Oh by the way I haven’t played golf for almost 10 years now. I gave up in the end, I couldn’t putt! 

 

1 hour ago, CHF said:

Easy. Get a marker pen and draw a line around the circumference of the golf ball and then when you place your ball on the green you line that marking up on the line you want to putt. The rotation of the ball will also show how accurately you have stroked the putt 

Thanks for the advice guys and I'm sure it's well intentioned , but when I play golf I'm usually so pizzed, I couldn't tell a circumference from a clitoris.

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9 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

 

Thanks for the advice guys and I'm sure it's well intentioned , but when I play golf I'm usually so pizzed, I couldn't tell a circumference from a clitoris.

Ed Pinkley Motors might be able to help you with that Uncle.

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11 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

 

Thanks for the advice guys and I'm sure it's well intentioned , but when I play golf I'm usually so pizzed, I couldn't tell a circumference from a clitoris.

Don't post anything like that again. It took me 10mins to clean the Merlot off the screen and keyboard

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4 minutes ago, FireInTheBelly said:

Ed Pinkley Motors might be able to help you with that Uncle.

They seem like honest dealers!!

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11 hours ago, drdrake said:

These are meant to be the elite players of the sport, to use a coaching aid that is designed to teach kids is a bit worrying.  To get to this level you should be able to execute the basics of the game at a very high level, to me this says we need to re-teach a number of players to kick.

They are supposedly elite sportspersons, some from other sports. If they haven't learnt to kick a footy at a young age, they probably can't and it is not just the Dees with this problem. The ball is an asset no matter what your level is.

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1 hour ago, durango said:

Stewart Loewe was coached by Peter Hudson

and he only had one kick - the flat punt

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19 minutes ago, dworship said:

Don't post anything like that again. It took me 10mins to clean the Merlot off the screen and keyboard

I've seen billboards advertising a cure for that problem. 

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18 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

and he only had one kick - the flat punt

Peter Hudson !!! Another memory. Back in the 70's I watched him kick 12 or 13 - some ridiculous number against Melbourne.

The guy was a genious. He didn't smash packs, he didn't take speccy's, he simply got the ball and kicked goals. 

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53 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

The boy is starting to grow. 

About time, I was worried he was on the Cale Morton diet!

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24 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Peter Hudson !!! Another memory. Back in the 70's I watched him kick 12 or 13 - some ridiculous number against Melbourne.

The guy was a genious. He didn't smash packs, he didn't take speccy's, he simply got the ball and kicked goals. 

He got the ball because of the delivery to him, that is half the reason that forwards do not kick 100 a season these days. No wonder they are using training balls, kicking skills are rubbish.

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13 hours ago, drdrake said:

These are meant to be the elite players of the sport, to use a coaching aid that is designed to teach kids is a bit worrying.  To get to this level you should be able to execute the basics of the game at a very high level, to me this says we need to re-teach a number of players to kick.

drdrake.  
Do you think Tiger Woods doesn’t spend hours and hours using training and alignment aids because he doesn’t think he can improve or become more predictable or even develop new shots?

Doesn't Steve Smith work hard on techniques in the nets?

I would be disappointed if our club decided not to try a training technique that may improve even a few percent any of the required skills.  
I applaud them for trying this. 

3 hours ago, Cards13 said:

How did Horse Longmire get his nickname?

long face 

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12 hours ago, drdrake said:

The coach, he designed the ball to help with ball drop.  To change players at this age ball drop and action is extremely difficult and really shouldn't be something an AFL club should need to do

There's a #1 pick over in the NBA right now who is renowned for his inability to shoot... 

5 hours ago, Tarax Club said:

Absolutely agree Flash cannot readily think of a Demons example,

Max Gawn did it over two seasons.  His set shots have improved out of sight. 

Richmond did it with their whole squad not that long ago.  They identified low trajectory passing as a skill that successful teams had and made a concerted effort to teach the technique to their entire squad, resulting in improved accuracy and ball movement. 

I for one am 100% in favour of using the funny-looking balls.  Who cares if they are meant for kids?  If they help improve kicking then they're worth having. 

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2 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

There's a #1 pick over in the NBA right now who is renowned for his inability to shoot... 

Max Gawn did it over two seasons.  His set shots have improved out of sight. 

Richmond did it with their whole squad not that long ago.  They identified low trajectory passing as a skill that successful teams had and made a concerted effort to teach the technique to their entire squad, resulting in improved accuracy and ball movement. 

I for one am 100% in favour of using the funny-looking balls.  Who cares if they are meant for kids?  If they help improve kicking then they're worth having. 

Has it?

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20 hours ago, Good Lord George said:

For me, the more interesting thing re: kicking is highlighted in the photos above. The good kicks (Salem, May) have their weight forward over the ball. The less reliable kicks (Langdon and Brayshaw) are leaning back on their kicks.

Gawn is an example of a guy who has changed his kicking style and is now a good kick. Leaning forward.

Trac is a great field kick, but terrible set shot. In the photo above, he's in play and his weight is... going forward. 

It's a fairly simple mechanical adjustment. Hopefully it's something that gets picked up on and fixed (like it did with Max).

Not sure I agree with this. Some of the best kicks in the history of the game "leant backwards". For example, Mark Browning and Jordan Lewis. I also think Salem "leans back" when he kicks. Perhaps it's just a trick of perspective in still photographs. 

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6 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Not sure I agree with this. Some of the best kicks in the history of the game "leant backwards". For example, Mark Browning and Jordan Lewis. I also think Salem "leans back" when he kicks. Perhaps it's just a trick of perspective in still photographs. 

I'm sure there are players who seem to lean back when they kick, that are good kicks. I can't, from memory, picture Salem's technique but I think he is generally on the move (as you should be when kicking), so his weight us forward over the ball.

From my experience, being on the move and having your weight forward (leaning over the ball) made for much more accurate kicking than leaning back. Noting I've only done low level coaching courses and played senior country footy, that's the way it was coached.

You'll also often here commentators saying, when a player has a poor shot at goal, "He's leant back on the kick".