So do we like Goddard now ....

BRENDON GODDARD’S LIST RANKINGS FOR 2020

1. Collingwood 64

2. Richmond 63

3. West Coast 62

4. Brisbane 57

5. GWS 53

6. Geelong 46

7. Western Bulldogs 39

8. Melbourne 39

9. Essendon 38

10. North Melbourne 36

11. Port Adelaide 35

12. Hawthorn 35

13. St Kilda 26

14. Carlton 24

15. Adelaide 23

16. Fremantle 16

17. Sydney 15

18. Gold Coast 13

*Points based on 1-18 rankings for defence, midfield, forward line and rucks

No.

I thought his ranking on our forward line was fairly accurate based on 2019. 

Reckon he has our list ranked in the right region - bottom half of the eight.  I don't think we are a top 4 list, yet.  We might be after the draft.

I do like that he has us ahead of Essendon but even then they are ranked too higly.  Reckon he has sold Sydney short at 17th.  And not sure how he could rank Adelaide at 15; not much going for them really.

Can't say that I like him or that I ever will.

Edited November 14, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

For the Record here is his rankings for every line.

DEFENCE

1. Richmond

2. Geelong

3. West Coast

4. Collingwood

5. GWS

6. Brisbane

7. Western Bulldogs

8. Essendon

9. Port Adelaide

10. Hawthorn

11. Adelaide

12. Carlton

13. Melbourne

14. North Melbourne

15. St. Kilda

16. Sydney

17. Fremantle

18. Gold Coast

MIDFIELD

1. GWS

2. West Coast

3. Collingwood

4. Richmond

5. Brisbane

6. Geelong

7. Western Bulldogs

8. Melbourne

9. Essendon

10. Hawthorn

11. Port Adelaide

12. North Melbourne

13. St. Kilda

14. Carlton

15. Adelaide

16. Sydney

17. Fremantle

18. Gold Coast

RUCKS

1. Collingwood

2. Melbourne

3. West Coast

4. North Melbourne

5. Brisbane

6. St. Kilda

7. Richmond

8. Port Adelaide

9. Gold Coast

10. Adelaide

11. Fremantle

12. Hawthorn

13. Essendon

14. Carlton

15. GWS

16. Western Bulldogs

17. Geelong

18. Sydney

FORWARS

1. Richmond

2. GWS

3. Brisbane

4. Collingwood

5. Geelong

6. West Coast

7. Western Bulldogs

8. Essendon

9. Hawthorn

10. North Melbourne

11. Sydney

12. Carlton

13.  Port Adelaide

14. Melbourne

15. Fremantle

16. St. Kilda

17. Adelaide

18. Gold Coast

 

Fairly accurate I think. If we finish 8th with the potential to win the first round of finals it will IMO be a true indication of our talent. And after 2019 it will be a good year.

I guess he rates Grundy better than Max. Pffft!

Here we go again......

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

So do we like Goddard now ....

BRENDON GODDARD’S LIST RANKINGS FOR 2020

1. Collingwood 64

2. Richmond 63

3. West Coast 62

4. Brisbane 57

5. GWS 53

6. Geelong 46

7. Western Bulldogs 39

8. Melbourne 39

9. Essendon 38

10. North Melbourne 36

11. Port Adelaide 35

12. Hawthorn 35

13. St Kilda 26

14. Carlton 24

15. Adelaide 23

16. Fremantle 16

17. Sydney 15

18. Gold Coast 13

*Points based on 1-18 rankings for defence, midfield, forward line and rucks

If you took Max out we would still be bottom 4  I think

Very accurate assessment in my view  alot will have to go right  in terms of injury management Return to form player development Fitness and of course making good decisions in the draft

A long long way to go!

2 hours ago, old dee said:

Fairly accurate I think. If we finish 8th with the potential to win the first round of finals it will IMO be a true indication of our talent. And after 2019 it will be a good year.

So our defence is 13th and our forward line is 14th.

But we make 8th overall.

This guy (Goddard, not you Old Dee) is an idiot analysis-wise.

Will be offered a job at Champion Data for sure.

The ruck being worth the same weighting as each of the entire forward and defensive lines does tend to skew the table.

Take the ruck out and include it in the midfield the ranking is about 11-12 with Essendon at 8

13 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

So our defence is 13th and our forward line is 14th.

But we make 8th overall.

This guy (Goddard, not you Old Dee) is an idiot analysis-wise.

Will be offered a job at Champion Data for sure.

Before this comment piece I thought we were an around eighth placed talent.

Of course all this is based on past performance the unknown is the potential of the list.

As a MFC fan I have watched "Potential" amount to little is terms of finals appearances over the last half century.

I cannot see our forward line kicking winning scores against the better sides and our back line will start the year without the only durable player of 2019. For me it is stretching the imagination to expect Lever and May to play 20 games each next year and without those two playing good games for most of the year our back line will have holes you could drive a truck through.

As I said if we make Eighth i think it will fulfill our ability in 2020

9 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The ruck being worth the same weighting as each of the entire forward and defensive lines does tend to skew the table.

Take the ruck out and include it in the midfield the ranking is about 11-12 with Essendon at 8

I agree with him DJ every time  I look at our forward line I cannot see where the goals are going to come from against the better sides.

8th best list.

But will we make the 8?

If we didn't have Gawn we would be near the bottom.

7 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

BRENDON GODDARD’S LIST RANKINGS FOR 2020

1. Collingwood 64

2. Richmond 63

3. West Coast 62

4. Brisbane 57

5. GWS 53

6. Geelong 46

7. Western Bulldogs 39

8. Melbourne 39

9. Essendon 38

10. North Melbourne 36

11. Port Adelaide 35

12. Hawthorn 35

13. St Kilda 26

14. Carlton 24

15. Adelaide 23

16. Fremantle 16

17. Sydney 15

18. Gold Coast 13

*Points based on 1-18 rankings for defence, midfield, forward line and rucks

6 of the 10 teams below us in talent beat us last year......

8 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

6 of the 10 teams below us in talent beat us last year......

That tends to happen when you finish second last Jnr.

1 minute ago, jnrmac said:

6 of the 10 teams below us in talent beat us last year......

So what Doesn't that prove that injuries cut our list and form was affected by pre season surgery and associated lack of fitness.

What it is saying is that we are somewhere in between  2018 and 2019 with our list.

2020 will be the arbiter of our strength and potential for success or lack of it.

I'm tipping a minimum of 11 wins and confident if we get a good run from injury plus our many 23 yrs and below develop under friendlier  conditions and fitness we can even achieve more.

Many results this year hung on our last quarter and most ended up in close losses with very low scores. Our forwards are especially vital to the turnaround in wins.

It would be good to also have a depth measure.  Last year, we would have been 18th.  Hopefully we keep our best players on the park.  Pushed us down the list last year when we had too many injuries.  

BTW we are equal 7th!

Certainly follows the trends - last year Brissie would not have made his top 8, now they are top 4!

Does this system mean Collingwood are nearly twice as ‘talented’ as us??

1 hour ago, buck_nekkid said:

It would be good to also have a depth measure.  Last year, we would have been 18th.  Hopefully we keep our best players on the park.  Pushed us down the list last year when we had too many injuries.  

BTW we are equal 7th!

Certainly follows the trends - last year Brissie would not have made his top 8, now they are top 4!

Does this system mean Collingwood are nearly twice as ‘talented’ as us??

Well they beat us twice so I guess yes.

I'll trust a Goddard 8th way more than a Champion Data 1st-then-daylight.

What a crock that was.

20 hours ago, 58er said:

So what Doesn't that prove that injuries cut our list and form was affected by pre season surgery and associated lack of fitness.

What it is saying is that we are somewhere in between  2018 and 2019 with our list.

2020 will be the arbiter of our strength and potential for success or lack of it.

I'm tipping a minimum of 11 wins and confident if we get a good run from injury plus our many 23 yrs and below develop under friendlier  conditions and fitness we can even achieve more.

Many results this year hung on our last quarter and most ended up in close losses with very low scores. Our forwards are especially vital to the turnaround in wins.

We won 5 games. 3 by less than a kick.

That is more than injuries but lull yourself to sleep that all will be OK.

No category for “heart”

“first” for dropping your head

On 11/15/2019 at 12:33 PM, Demon17 said:

So our defence is 13th and our forward line is 14th.

I think he is way off the mark with our defence.

A fit May pushes us up a few more places than 13th, Lever adds another place or 2.

The structure of our defence will be interesting this year but I really rate May, next to Rance I think he's the best in the business.