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Buckenara: Dees List Overrated

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40 minutes ago, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

I posted on one of the FB pages re this, and while I agree with his summary based on last season, he said similar things regarding the Richmond season in 2016 and also said they can't win a premiership with that list.

I'm fairly sure this time last year Buckenara was praising our list.... it's very easy to just write things based on one season.

Agree completely these "experts" base their credibility on hindsight rather than actually being able to predict the future. 

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    7 minutes ago, old dee said:

    Agree binman however what we might have expected from Lever and May has not happened.

    Both IMO are injury prone, if we get 18 - 20 games out of both of them in 2020 I will be astounded.   So far both are overpaid average contributors.

    I'm not sure about May being injury prone. Ha no issues until coming to the dees and perhpas struggling with the increased running load. Hopefully yhat's not an issue next year.

    And granted Lever has had 2 ACLs (one as a junior) but i'm not convinced he is injury prone as such.

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    1 minute ago, binman said:

    I'm not sure about May being injury prone. Ha no issues until coming to the dees and perhpas struggling with the increased running load. Hopefully yhat's not an issue next year.

    And granted Lever has had 2 ACLs (one as a junior) but i'm not convinced he is injury prone as such.

    I guess 2020 will prove one of us right binman.

    I am very happy for you to remind me of my error in September next year.

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    Clearly guessing on many of those. 

    Harmes & Melksham definitely Bs. 

    Jones no longer a B-.

    KK shown nothing. 

    C+ very harsh on Lever. 

    Jack Viney B- at most. 

    Oliver B+ for mine (not quite A)  

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    Just now, Dee*ceiving said:

    Clearly guessing on many of those. 

    Harmes & Melksham definitely Bs. 

    Jones no longer a B-.

    KK shown nothing. 

    C+ very harsh on Lever. 

    Jack Viney B- at most. 

    Oliver B+ for mine (not quite A)  

    No, there are no Bs apparently. There are some B+ and B- players, but Gary has decreed there to be no B players. Don’t question his system. 
     

     

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    Did he really spell Neal-Bullen wrong? That’s the level of intellect we are dealing with here. Move on 

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    40 minutes ago, Tough Kent said:

    Josh Wagner = C PLUS

    James Harmes = C

    Yep, he knows our players intimately.

    Missed Jwag.  Almost as bad as the KK assessment.

    His general commentary in terms of the MFC needs to stop being satisfied with a good year here and there is spot on though.  Been doing that for decades and often within season also.

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    None of these scribes really have any idea....a lot of them had West Coast bottom 4 in 2018

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    We must have the worst list in the last 10 years if Bukky is right.....Go Figger........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    1 hour ago, BW511 said:

    I'd like to see where everyone rates that list compared to Bucky.

    For me;

     

    T-Mac & Viney down to B-

    KK down to C

    May up to B

    Tracc up to B-

     

    Rest I am relatively comfortable with.

     

     

     I'd allocate OMac an immediate F or worse...

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    51 minutes ago, Tough Kent said:

    Josh Wagner = C PLUS

    James Harmes = C

    Yep, he knows our players intimately.

    Loses all credibility with that call.

    There is now way known that J Wagner can be considered a better player than Harmes.

    Harmes ought to be insulted by that call.

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    1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:

    That's his major blunder along with KK .  Harmes is at least a C+ / B-

    KK hasn't fired a shot ....yet.  Not sure how he has even assessed him.  May also.  Off 8 games or so?  Obviously a bit of dart throwing journalistic license in some of those.

    Got a feeling that Harmes is going to be in for a thriller year - a game-changer, and loose cannon, friggin' good footballer and his class will rise.

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    2 hours ago, Demonland said:

    Here’s the breakdown:

    A: Max Gawn, Clayton Oliver

    B+: Jack Viney, Tom McDonald

    B: Nil

    B-: Nathan Jones, Christian Salem, Angus Brayshaw, Michael Hibberd, Kade Kolodjashnij, Jake Melksham, Bayley Fritsch, Steven May

    C+: Christian Petracca, Jake Lever, Sam Frost, Aaron Vandenberg, Jayden Hunt, Alex Neale-Bullen, Marty Hore, Josh Wagner, Neville Jetta

    C : James Harmes, Billy Stretch, Mitch Hannan, Oscar McDonald, Joel Smith, Corey Wagner

    C-: Jay Kennedy-Harris, Braydon Preuss

    Developing*: Sam Weideman

    Developing: Charlie Spargo, Oskar Baker, Harrison Petty, James Jordan, Tom Sparrow, Toby Bedford, Aaron Nietschke, Austin Bradtke, Kade Chandler

    For a team that has had so many top draft picks, for the players not to have elevated themselves and/or received the right development to become very good AFL players or stars of the competition by now is alarming.

    James Harmes a C, proves he doesnt watch any of our games.

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    His not far off the mark to be honest. Viney a little high & Harmes a bit low but not much more is too far wrong.

    I've got concerns on our list, which is why I don't believe we'll shoot back up the ladder next year.

    Our midfield in reality is average: Oliver & Gawn are elite, jurys still out on Brayshaw, Viney is a plodder, Harmes is at his ceiling, then who ? Langdon & Tomlinson additions don't  overly excite me.

    Backline: Probably our strength if Lever & May can stay fit. If Jetta & Hibberd can stay fit but another year older, Hore looks a player. 

    Forward line: Jury out on TMac, Weid ? Who knows how he will come on. Melksham is a gun IMO. No small forward. Hannan can add a dimension if he stays fit.. 

    I hope I am wrong but I tend to agree with Buckenara & dont hold high hopes for 2020

     

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    1 hour ago, BW511 said:

    I'd like to see where everyone rates that list compared to Bucky.

    For me;

     

    T-Mac & Viney down to B-

    KK down to C

    May up to B

    Tracc up to B-

     

    Rest I am relatively comfortable with.

     

     

    Harmes a C grader is BS. More like B to B+. Improved Consistency and he could be an A grader

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    Please ! spare me Bucks. You are delusional. 

    Harmes a  C ?   No comment.      For OMAC and J Smith it would be flattering.

    Delusional on all scales.  Make your judgement on the Hawks.

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    25 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

    Did he really spell Neal-Bullen wrong? That’s the level of intellect we are dealing with here. Move on 

    So he is total incorrect because he spelt someones name wrong!

    If you don't agree with his summation fine but get us reasons not that clap trap.

     

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    1 minute ago, jnrmac said:

    Harmes a C grader is BS. More like B to B+. Improved Consistency and he could be an A grader

    Up against the rest of the league, I'm not so sure?

    As I suggested earlier, the West Coast mids next year of Shuey, Nic Nat, Yeo & Tim Kelly are so far ahead of us it hurts to think about. That's just the most obvious example

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    "For a team that has had so many top draft picks......"

    "The Demons haven’t had a first-round draft pick since 2015 when it picked Oliver at No.4 and Weideman at No.9...."

    Speaking of inconsistency..

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    1 minute ago, BW511 said:

    Up against the rest of the league, I'm not so sure?

    As I suggested earlier, the West Coast mids next year of Shuey, Nic Nat, Yeo & Tim Kelly are so far ahead of us it hurts to think about. That's just the most obvious example

    His 2018 form suggests he would stand up easily. Was rarely beaten and was an offensive weapon.

    We always overate our list generally- particularly when it comes to A/B graders - but the fact he has him bracketed with Stretch and Wagner shows that he has no clue about our list really.

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    Sam Weideman is a Developing* player at 31 games

    Joel Smith has played 11 and is C Grade....after being injured all year. No logic there.

    And I agree with all on the Harmes' assessment (per my avatar). Makes the overall assessment less credible.

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    4 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

    His 2018 form suggests he would stand up easily. Was rarely beaten and was an offensive weapon.

    We always overate our list generally- particularly when it comes to A/B graders - but the fact he has him bracketed with Stretch and Wagner shows that he has no clue about our list really.

    When season 2020 starts, everyone's 2018 form will be from 18 months ago. That's a long period of time.

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