New List Manager - Tim Lamb?

[old55 22,833]

9 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

There's only one relevant question. 

Over the past 3 years did the list managers improve our list or make it worse ?

The answer is obvious.

It's Yes.

We've concentrated on the draft:

2021 - JVR, Howes, Woewodin 

2022 - Jefferson, Adams

2023 - Windsor, Tholstrup 

We've had some low cost experienced players join that haven't had much impact but that's because we've been focussing on using early picks, not trading them.

[Mach5 4,643]

1 hour ago, Colm said:

We played with 2 rucks for the two season before we traded Jackson. We were able to convince Grundy a million dollar AA ruck that we would continue to play two rucks. 
You don’t think we could have convinced Meek- come and win and flag and learn from the greatest ruck man ever?! Who’s in his 30s.  I mean surely we could have convinced him. 
 

Arces was - F3rd pick on a three year deal for $350k. I think we could easily have brought in Meek and Arces for less than Grundy and Hunter. 
 

Edit- both these players were moved on to make Jackson deal possible. We were in the box seat if we had of made the moves. 

Surely you can see Jackson is a much different mobile ruckman to Meek and is capable of playing in other positions? 
No, I don’t think we could have convinced Meek. If you think we could, I’d say you’re living in dream land. He was after a number 1 ruck role.

Acres has proved to be a better wingman than expected at Carlton. I’d say his output has definitely been better than Hunter’s. Having said that I don’t think adding a wingman was a priority but as the opportunity presented itself late in the trade period we elected to take it. Carlton had done their work early on Acres. No chance Hunter is on more $ than Acres though. 

In the scheme of things these are relatively minor “misses” that were not critical needs and we were probably never even in the running for. We’re not lamenting the lack of another wingman as a key deficiency. And a backup ruckman is a priority, but it needs to be one happy to play predominantly at Casey unless the worst happens.
Do you really just want to take potshots every instance of another team getting a slightly better outcome than us?

[Sir Why You Little 36,667]

On 24/09/2024 at 08:56, Axis of Bob said:

We wanted Grundy out. Geelong wanted Stengle out. Gold Coast wanted Chol out. Port Adelaide wanted Teakle out. Gold Coast wanted Bowes out. Hawthorn wanted Mitchell out. 

It's not a good argument.

We have paid peanuts to get depth players to complement the strong list we already had. Hawthorn paid a lot of money because they had salary cap to burn due to their terrible performances whilst we had a list with the contracts of Petracca, Oliver, Gawn, May, Lever, Brayshaw, Salem, Langdon etc on it. You're comparing apples with oranges. 

But we have bought in Players who are not even depth. When a spot opened up for a Senior game, they were not selected. 
That is incredibly poor trading, considering who we let go

[bing181 8,979]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

But we have bought in Players who are not even depth. When a spot opened up for a Senior game, they were not selected. 
That is incredibly poor trading, considering who we let go

Who like? You mention "players" plural, but the only player we've traded in of late who hasn't played a game is Fullarton.

If you're only trading lower/cheap picks and offering salaries to match, to only have one amongst a number who didn't get an AFL game is actually good trading.

[Cranky Franky 1,837]

10 hours ago, old55 said:

It's Yes.

We've concentrated on the draft:

2021 - JVR, Howes, Woewodin 

2022 - Jefferson, Adams

2023 - Windsor, Tholstrup 

We've had some low cost experienced players join that haven't had much impact but that's because we've been focussing on using early picks, not trading them.

That's a load of carp. 

Drafting has been great. Trading & list management has been total garbage.

Hawks have drafted well AND have managed to trade in Amon, Dambrosio, Ginnivan & Meek compared to Fullarton, Dunstan, Shache & McAdam

 

[bing181 8,979]

11 hours ago, old55 said:

We've had some low cost experienced players join that haven't had much impact but that's because we've been focussing on using early picks, not trading them.

Also because we've been focused on keeping the list together and re-signing players, which is also list management.

[whatwhat say what 22,185]

56 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

That's a load of carp. 

Drafting has been great. Trading & list management has been total garbage.

Hawks have drafted well AND have managed to trade in Amon, Dambrosio, Ginnivan & Meek compared to Fullarton, Dunstan, Shache & McAdam

 

yr looking at the equivalent of 2016-19 for the mfc for the likes of amon, d'ambrosio, ginnivan, and meek, plus barras and battle as a free agent at the end of this year

in the equivalent time period we brought in lewis, melksham, hibberd, lever, may, and langdon

let's see how dingley goes recruiting players after they've won a premiership and had to re-contract their equivalents of gawn, petracca, oliver, brayshaw, viney et al

[Sir Why You Little 36,667]

1 hour ago, bing181 said:

Who like? You mention "players" plural, but the only player we've traded in of late who hasn't played a game is Fullarton.

If you're only trading lower/cheap picks and offering salaries to match, to only have one amongst a number who didn't get an AFL game is actually good trading.

The cheap lower picks we got rid of played in this year Finals Series, whilst Fullarton, Schache, McAdam and Hunter have done bugger all.

Can you not see the Massive imbalance created?

[Cranky Franky 1,837]

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

The cheap lower picks we got rid of played in this year Finals Series, whilst Fullarton, Schache, McAdam and Hunter have done bugger all.

Can you not see the Massive imbalance created?

You're wasting your breath.

No matter how many times you point out 3 years of trading & list management disasters there is always a conga line of apologists lining up.

Amazing because player trading & list management are pretty black & white.

 

[layzie 32,928]

8 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

You're wasting your breath.

No matter how many times you point out 3 years of trading & list management disasters there is always a conga line of apologists lining up.

Amazing because player trading & list management are pretty black & white.

 

I really just loved the use of the phrase conga line. Real easy to visualise. 

[old55 22,833]

13 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

That's a load of carp. 

Drafting has been great. Trading & list management has been total garbage.

Hawks have drafted well AND have managed to trade in Amon, Dambrosio, Ginnivan & Meek compared to Fullarton, Dunstan, Shache & McAdam

 

I didn't realise that drafting isn't part of list management.