These people are completely delusional, they think Vines and Jones are like Ablett, Danger Fyfe or Pendlebury.

Edited September 30, 20195 yr by bluey

To those deriding Viney finishing third you need to get a clue.  Viney is a jet! 

2 minutes ago, chookrat said:

To those deriding Viney finishing third you need to get a clue.  Viney is a jet! 

Viney had a very poor season...

2 minutes ago, chookrat said:

To those deriding Viney finishing third you need to get a clue.  Viney is a jet! 

I agree he was better than many give him credit for, but Gawn still needs to be Captain.  He's the onfield leader, the mids all look to him and he's by far our best player. 

You know you've had a bad year when Petracca finishes 5th. Gawn should have won it by a mile, Oliver was not that good compared to his last 2 years. Worrying sign that the coaches voted the way they did.

10 minutes ago, nosoupforme said:

O Captain ! my captain ! rise up and hear the bells

For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces  turning

Here Captain our true Captain   

Rise up Captain Max

To lead us into battle

Rise up for the Flag.

( With apologies to Walt Whitman )

Too true. If the fans had the vote, Max would be leader of the club next year, no question.

Viney had a 'bad' year in 2019! 7th for disposals (5th for average disposals), 3rd for tackles, 4th for clearances, 5th for inside 50's... I expect a big improvement in 2020 as he bursts into the new year from a full pre-season. 

9 minutes ago, rjay said:

That's what worries me 'Rusty'...what games are they watching?

It can't have been this years.

Do they really have a clue?

He's rated by the coach, I'm not so sure by the players & he showed very little if any leadership on the ground this season...

There's a little bit of "Co Captain" internal bias there maybe Rjay.  Personally i don't think he was that far off either i just didn't have him down as a 3rd place getter vs say Harmes in particular.  Even though Viney had a stronger second half than his first, i thought Harmes was more consistent and a clear 3rd in comparison.

The Stats i keep support this a little with Viney coming in a close 5th for the year behind Harmes and Salem.  I think what some are seeing here in terms of the amount of surprise with his result (at coming 3rd) is that he appeared to have a pretty poor year vs 2018.  But we need to keep in mind his 2018 was at a very high base, so even coming off that quite a bit he was also surrounded by others that did the same which meant he was still performing at a decent level in comparison.

When looking at the Max ranking below i usually add about 0.80 to 1.00 to his score to allow for a very rough approximation effect of his hit outs to advantage (not captured in the score).  That still puts him slightly below Clarry statistically in 2nd place so the Bluey result didn't surprise me in terms of closeness but i still thought Maxy would win as stats for mids can tend to overate many of the mad flip around disposals at times that don't necessarily achieve anything and i just thought Maxy's general influence/impact and work rate (for a ruckman) throughout much of the year was massive.  The biggest surprise in the top 10 for mine was Hunt, who i personally felt was no where near that this season even though he lifted his performance significantly from the poor season he had in 2018.

1 minute ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

I agree he was better than many give him credit for, but Gawn still needs to be Captain.  He's the onfield leader, the mids all look to him and he's by far our best player. 

Agree fully re Gawn, not only his onfield performance and presence but also his maturity as a leader and ability to communicate and command an audience. 

Im supportive of Gawn being our sole captain and Viney and one other as VC. 

1 minute ago, chookrat said:

Agree fully re Gawn, not only his onfield performance and presence but also his maturity as a leader and ability to communicate and command an audience. 

Im supportive of Gawn being our sole captain and Viney and one other as VC. 

I can't remember the game, but it was a come from behind win.  They interviewed Oliver after the match and asked when he thought they had the game won.  He said that they were down, heading to the centre for a bounce, and Gawn looked over, gave him a wink and said something along the lines of "no worries, we've got this boys," and he just knew that they were going to win. 

50 minutes ago, chookrat said:

To those deriding Viney finishing third you need to get a clue.  Viney is a jet! 

Yes he is a jet and hope that the foot has healed for an uninterrupted preseason like he said. However he has not brought his A game to the table this year and expecting more from him in 2020 and beyond.

2 hours ago, waynewussell said:

Puts it all on the line every time, never shirks an issue! Attack on the ball is second to none. Toughness in the clinches is as good as it gets. Never a sniper... always there for team mates! What blindness is this that has descended on Demonland? 

From the ones that say others don't have a clue, I just had Harnes and Viney the other way around in my top five, thought Clarry would be close second

I have no words for the results tonight. Shocked and confused. 

Gawn robbed. Viney? I just don’t know. 

2019 continues to make no sense. 

2 hours ago, Jaded said:

I have no words for the results tonight. Shocked and confused. 

Gawn robbed. Viney? I just don’t know. 

2019 continues to make no sense. 

The most baffling results since Terlich finished in the top 5.

6 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

I can't remember the game, but it was a come from behind win.  They interviewed Oliver after the match and asked when he thought they had the game won.  He said that they were down, heading to the centre for a bounce, and Gawn looked over, gave him a wink and said something along the lines of "no worries, we've got this boys," and he just knew that they were going to win. 

Take your pick from any of those magnificent five victories

1 hour ago, At the break of Gawn said:

The most baffling results since Terlich finished in the top 5.

Matt Jones says hi ...

8 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

2018 Result

Comparing the two boards shows how poor the coaches thought our year was! 

Last year it was won with 657 votes; this year with 464.  10th position came in last year at 366 votes.  This year at 199 votes.

As I understand it (and could someone please confirm) 4 coaches give each player a score out of 10 for each game making the max number of votes available as 880.  This year a lot of players had 0 to 2 out of 10 scores from all four voting coaches. 

The comparison accurately reflects our season - it was poor but someone has to win (the right people did) and someone has to be in the top 10 albeit it with a very low score.

Edited September 30, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

Viney finishing 3rd is an utter and complete joke..

Thank God Dad wont be there to give those sneaky little votes next year.

8 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

There's a little bit of "Co Captain" internal bias there maybe Rjay.  Personally i don't think he was that far off either i just didn't have him down as a 3rd place getter vs say Harmes in particular.  Even though Viney had a stronger second half than his first, i thought Harmes was more consistent and a clear 3rd in comparison.

The Stats i keep support this a little with Viney coming in a close 5th for the year behind Harmes and Salem.  I think what some are seeing here in terms of the amount of surprise with his result (at coming 3rd) is that he appeared to have a pretty poor year vs 2018.  But we need to keep in mind his 2018 was at a very high base, so even coming off that quite a bit he was also surrounded by others that did the same which meant he was still performing at a decent level in comparison.

When looking at the Max ranking below i usually add about 0.80 to 1.00 to his score to allow for a very rough approximation effect of his hit outs to advantage (not captured in the score).  That still puts him slightly below Clarry statistically in 2nd place so the Bluey result didn't surprise me in terms of closeness but i still thought Maxy would win as stats for mids can tend to overate many of the mad flip around disposals at times that don't necessarily achieve anything and i just thought Maxy's general influence/impact and work rate (for a ruckman) throughout much of the year was massive.  The biggest surprise in the top 10 for mine was Hunt, who i personally felt was no where near that this season even though he lifted his performance significantly from the poor season he had in 2018.

Interesting that the 2 players who improved performance the most this year could be gone, Billy and Frost.

8 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

You know you've had a bad year when Petracca finishes 5th. Gawn should have won it by a mile, Oliver was not that good compared to his last 2 years. Worrying sign that the coaches voted the way they did.

Coaches have to vote on every game and in most cases it’s not based on what you see from the outside.

There would be a whole range of markers that you and I are unaware of.

oliver is a star!

Great speech Max. This guy is the right person to lead us forward. 

Congratulations to the winners. Gawn was clearly our best player this year, although down on last year, and should have won outright. Oliver was very good at times, although he is capable of so much more.

The next group, third to ninth, played okay in patches but were collectively miles below the same group last year.

Hunt was very ordinary this year, so anyone finishing out of the top 10 had a terrible season. Hunt scored 199 votes out of a possible 840 (21 games), which equates to an average rating of 2.37 per game. That sounds about right to me, but it doesn't say much for the likes of Jones and Hibberd who polled even worse.

1. 464 – Max Gawn, Clayton Oliver
2. 323 – Jack Viney
3. 319 – James Harmes
4. 293 – Christian Petracca
5. 230 – Bayley Fritsch
6. 213 – Christian Salem
7. 210 – Angus Brayshaw
8. 204 – Sam Frost
9. 199 – Jayden Hunt
10. 192 – Nathan Jones
11. 167 – Jake Melksham
12. 154 – Steven May
13. 151 – Tom McDonald
14. 142 – Marty Hore
15. 126 – Jordan Lewis
16. 107 – Michael Hibberd
17. 104 – Jay Lockhart
18. 97 – Josh Wagner
19. 87 – Harry Petty
20. 82 – Tim Smith
21. 65 – Sam Weideman

The above list is from the MFC website. Is it accurate to that point? If so, I find it interesting, but not at all surprising, that Lever finished below Petty & Smith despite playing more games. Also missing is Neal-Bullen, and I'm not clear why he was given a 2 year deal on that basis.

 

Correct me if I am wrong... but the Bluey Truscott Trophy represents how a MFC player fares when compared to other MFC players throughout the season as judged by the coaching panel, right?

Jayden Hunt was one goal from being our leading goalkicker and had the most goal assists... so he compares favourably with other MFC forwards... no big surprise that he finishes top 10!

Other than Gawn not being the outright winner, and Viney being third instead of 5th or 6th it pretty much sums up the season.  I struggle to see how everyone in the AFL world from opposition coaches and supporters, fans, the umpires and journalists all had Gawn as clearly our best player, but the match committee thought Oliver was our best player until round 23 when Gawn drew level. Probably says a bit about their collective wisdom. As for Jack, I'm not surprised he made top 5 but I felt Harmes had a better year. Well done to Max, an absolute champion of the game and our 2020 Captain.  Well done to Clarry also, but I hope he doesn't interpret the result as an endorsement of his season.  He has a lot of work to do on his game to be the player he is capable of becoming.