Worth remembering Freo might have academy bids to match inside top 10

On 10/25/2019 at 8:28 AM, Brenno said:

My theory is that the only reason with bought pick 8 was for Kemp.  Id say we know he will be there at 8. 

 

 

 

Seems a long shot.

Not sure why clubs would have a 'gentleman's agreement' on who is taking who during trade week. It's far too early. 

You might be right that we're hoping he'll be there or that chances are good that he'll be there. But that's about it I reckon. 

On 10/25/2019 at 8:28 AM, Brenno said:

My theory is that the only reason with bought pick 8 was for Kemp.  Id say we know he will be there at 8. 

 

 

 

Yeah don't think so.

Sydney will bid on Green as they are desperate for an inside mid. Once GWS select Green they will turn their attention straight to Kemp who they are big fans of.

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Yeah don't think so.

Sydney will bid on Green as they are desperate for an inside mid. Once GWS select Green they will turn their attention straight to Kemp who they are big fans of.

The thing that might help us is clubs might be reluctant to use their first pick on a boy who can't play for a year. Club fans may be more impatient and want to see their boys playing at some level right away.

For us, he would be our 2nd pick after 3, which allows a bit more understanding from the fans.

Then again, a strong club wouldn't worry about what the fans think and the Swans are a strong club.

Interesting times.

If there are no pick swaps in the top 8 it could go something like

3 Young 

4 Serong

5 Flanders

6 Green

7 Jackson

8 Kemp

On the above Ash is still there to help Kemp get to our pick.

As I said Interesting times.

Edited October 27, 20196 yr by Redleg

8 hours ago, Redleg said:

The thing that might help us is clubs might be reluctant to use their first pick on a boy who can't play for a year. Club fans may be more impatient and want to see their boys playing at some level right away.

For us, he would be our 2nd pick after 3, which allows a bit more understanding from the fans.

Then again, a strong club wouldn't worry about what the fans think and the Swans are a strong club.

Interesting times.

If there are no pick swaps in the top 8 it could go something like

3 Young 

4 Serong

5 Flanders

6 Green

7 Jackson

8 Kemp

On the above Ash is still there to help Kemp get to our pick.

As I said Interesting times.

 

Any recruiting dept that made decisions based on this factor is totally derelict in their duty. Should never be a consideration.

17 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

 

Any recruiting dept that made decisions based on this factor is totally derelict in their duty. Should never be a consideration.

Even less of an issue for us, given that we have no first rounder next year. Very few have an impact year 1 like a Selwood or Walsh (don't even think Cripps or Fyfe were that much chop in year one).

1 hour ago, Mach5 said:

 

Any recruiting dept that made decisions based on this factor is totally derelict in their duty. Should never be a consideration.

yes but there is massive massive pressure on clubs to improve for memberships, sponsorship and to move up the ladder. I have no doubt most clubs are impatient and for instance its much hard to prize a first rounder this year than next year from any club. 

Edited October 27, 20196 yr by Bay Riffin

If we traded to 8 to take a shot at Kemp - and I believe we have (taking Jordan early last year provides a clue to our approach) - and Kemp is off the table: it will mean there's something solid still available.

There's about ten decent players being bandied about who appear to be considered quite even after the top 4, and then there's a sharp drop-off - trading to 8 is really hitting that 'sweet spot' of the draft.

If we're not interested we can start live trading down for freebies - possibly more than once - and maybe down to Weightman territory. These are the clubs below us. Let them fight it out for the last scraps. 

Carlton 

Freo

Hawks

Port

Bulldogs

Geelong

Brisbane

Richmond

On 10/26/2019 at 6:27 PM, Ethan Tremblay said:

Yeh nah you’re Range Rover. 

I know this is all a bit of a game with you Ethan, but I can vouch for Ohio David.  I went to school with him in the late 1950s and the 60s when we rarely missed going to Melbourne home games together.  I moved interstate in 1970, but our passion for the Dees became the the 'glue' that  cemented a friendship that has lasted more than 60 years.   I promise you, if David is 'Range Rover', you are the equivalent of a Leyland P76, and I respect most of your views far too much to regard you in that light.  

50 minutes ago, Deeoldfart said:

I know this is all a bit of a game with you Ethan, but I can vouch for Ohio David.  I went to school with him in the late 1950s and the 60s when we rarely missed going to Melbourne home games together.  I moved interstate in 1970, but our passion for the Dees became the the 'glue' that  cemented a friendship that has lasted more than 60 years.   I promise you, if David is 'Range Rover', you are the equivalent of a Leyland P76, and I respect most of your views far too much to regard you in that light.  

Someone  called me Range Rover yesterday too....   must be a forum in-joke?    A not very funny one

13 hours ago, Skuit said:

If we traded to 8 to take a shot at Kemp - and I believe we have (taking Jordan early last year provides a clue to our approach) - and Kemp is off the table: it will mean there's something solid still available.

There's about ten decent players being bandied about who appear to be considered quite even after the top 4, and then there's a sharp drop-off - trading to 8 is really hitting that 'sweet spot' of the draft.

If we're not interested we can start live trading down for freebies - possibly more than once - and maybe down to Weightman territory. These are the clubs below us. Let them fight it out for the last scraps. 

Carlton 

Freo

Hawks

Port

Bulldogs

Geelong

Brisbane

Richmond

I don't know if Kemp is the one, but I think we are really looking at someone at 8. I think if they are gone we might go talking during the live trade for (say) a couple of mid teen picks.

That said I hope we don't. I hope that we do what we have done over that last couple of trade / draft periods - know what we want and make it happen. I think we have a better team and admin than the average supporter gives us credit for. 2019 was a blip for many reasons, so I'll back the team to be better and smarter in all parts of the game from now.

21 minutes ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

Someone  called me Range Rover yesterday too....   must be a forum in-joke?    A not very funny one

What? You don't know the rules? You have to discredit the poster you disagree with, not do all that fact stuff. Troll them and then claim the win no matter how stupid your plan was. Sheeesh. I't in the T&C here somewhere.

3 hours ago, Uncle Fester said:

I don't know if Kemp is the one, but I think we are really looking at someone at 8. I think if they are gone we might go talking during the live trade for (say) a couple of mid teen picks.

That said I hope we don't. I hope that we do what we have done over that last couple of trade / draft periods - know what we want and make it happen. I think we have a better team and admin than the average supporter gives us credit for. 2019 was a blip for many reasons, so I'll back the team to be better and smarter in all parts of the game from now.

It could just be that we think the top 10 this year are better than the 15-20 range next year. Given we're backing ourselves to climb the ladder next year, we would hope we'd be looking at a top 8 finish next year, therefore 15-20. Once you take into our account the alleged compromised nature of the 2020 draft, it makes enough sense.

21 hours ago, Mach5 said:

 

Any recruiting dept that made decisions based on this factor is totally derelict in their duty. Should never be a consideration.

That is why I put in the 3rd line of my post.

Don't kid yourself, some clubs do things to appease their fans.

7 hours ago, Uncle Fester said:

I don't know if Kemp is the one, but I think we are really looking at someone at 8. I think if they are gone we might go talking during the live trade for (say) a couple of mid teen picks.

That said I hope we don't. I hope that we do what we have done over that last couple of trade / draft periods - know what we want and make it happen. I think we have a better team and admin than the average supporter gives us credit for. 2019 was a blip for many reasons, so I'll back the team to be better and smarter in all parts of the game from now.

My line of thinking wasn't down-trading for two picks in the teens. More that we'd be dangling for a Carlton/Adelaide 2018 type deal to get us to the the top end of next year. Failing that we could slide for one pick in the teens and pick up something for next year similar to what we sold to get to 8 - scoring a free/cheap pick in the teens. 

4 hours ago, A F said:

It could just be that we think the top 10 this year are better than the 15-20 range next year. Given we're backing ourselves to climb the ladder next year, we would hope we'd be looking at a top 8 finish next year, therefore 15-20. Once you take into our account the alleged compromised nature of the 2020 draft, it makes enough sense.

 

I asked a draft watcher today his thoughts on next year’s draft...he was...not complimentary 

Also said that he doesn’t believe a thing that is said in the media about Melbourne’s trade / draft plans as - since the regime change and Mahoney’s role change - “they don’t leak”

He thinks we might trade pick 3 still but if we don’t then we’d be crazy not to pick Young 

1 hour ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

I asked a draft watcher today his thoughts on next year’s draft...he was...not complimentary 

Also said that he doesn’t believe a thing that is said in the media about Melbourne’s trade / draft plans as - since the regime change and Mahoney’s role change - “they don’t leak”

He thinks we might trade pick 3 still but if we don’t then we’d be crazy not to pick Young 

And Kemp? Since this is the Kemp thread. ?

53 minutes ago, A F said:

And Kemp? Since this is the Kemp thread. ?

Wrong thread!

11 hours ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

Someone  called me Range Rover yesterday too....   must be a forum in-joke?    A not very funny one

Would you prefer Matsuo Busho? Or GetJonnoPatten? Or BarassiWisdom?

8 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Would you prefer Matsuo Busho? Or GetJonnoPatten? Or BarassiWisdom?

This is a thread about drafting Brodie Kemp. Can I direct you to the delist section with that line-up.

Cheers

I think we might just bid on Green with 3 and GWS will match it and then we will select Young. I do not see us splitting pick 3. Pick 8 will be interesting. I think that Kemp might be the one we want and if he is not there come our pick I think we might be open to the trade of picks. Maybe with the Freo. Our pick 8 for their pick 10 and 22. Effectively dropping one or two picks and picking up an early second round.

On 10/28/2019 at 6:59 AM, Deeoldfart said:

I know this is all a bit of a game with you Ethan, but I can vouch for Ohio David.  I went to school with him in the late 1950s and the 60s when we rarely missed going to Melbourne home games together.  I moved interstate in 1970, but our passion for the Dees became the the 'glue' that  cemented a friendship that has lasted more than 60 years.   I promise you, if David is 'Range Rover', you are the equivalent of a Leyland P76, and I respect most of your views far too much to regard you in that light.  

I don’t believe it, Range Rover has friends!? Next you’ll tell me Bennell is having a medical with us. 

18 hours ago, CHF said:

I think we might just bid on Green with 3 and GWS will match it and then we will select Young. I do not see us splitting pick 3. Pick 8 will be interesting. I think that Kemp might be the one we want and if he is not there come our pick I think we might be open to the trade of picks. Maybe with the Freo. Our pick 8 for their pick 10 and 22. Effectively dropping one or two picks and picking up an early second round.

Reckon this might be the strategy as well.

Kemp brought up in JT podcast.  Upside is huge. Have to see if JT has the nerve to back Kemp in for 2021.  His abilities are Dangerfield like and the type of players all of us want to see. Real talent and excitement.  

A horror injury had this top-10 prospect fearing the worst. Then two AFL guns reached out to ease the nerves