Splitting Draft Pick 3

[Adam The God 30,134]

42 minutes ago, Dee tention said:

Pick 3 and 2020 First Round for Ben King and Pick 14.

Haha, you keep championing the Ben King angle. I love it too, but sounds like it's off the table.

[Redleg 40,855]

8 minutes ago, Dee tention said:

Pick 3 and 2020 First Round for Ben King and Pick 14.

I think King has told the Saints he will do what he can to join his brother next year. That is what I was told. That is why they won't keep Bruce, who they would only give one year to, because of Ben King.

Most importantly though, speculate all you like about getting Ben King, but he is contracted and has to WANT to come to us before you can do any deal.

[olisik 4,060]

Would you do Pick 3 for

Pick 4+28 (Adelaide/GWS)

or

Pick 5 + 25 (Sydney)

 

 

[Gawn's Beard 376]

2 minutes ago, olisik said:

Would you do Pick 3 for

Pick 4+28 (Adelaide/GWS)

or

Pick 5 + 25 (Sydney)

 

 

Would solely turn on what Freo would accept for Langdon. 

[ChaserJ 5,015]

2 hours ago, olisik said:

Would you do Pick 3 for

Pick 4+28 (Adelaide/GWS)

or

Pick 5 + 25 (Sydney)

 

 

Yep.

Throw a blanket over players ranked 3-7. Not sure whether there's much incentive there for Sydney or Adelaide.

Edited October 9, 2019 by ChaserJ

[Gorgoroth 12,924]

I’m more in the keep pick 3 camp, if our recruiting is on point then we get a good chance at a kid. 

Cant see any decent players wanting to come to the club and I’d rather one shot at a very good player opposed to one in the mid teens and late twenties.

[old55 23,414]

9 hours ago, A F said:

It may sound stupid, but if they can get Green and add another top 10 talent for the loss of one top 10 talent in Taranto, they may go with that and keep spreading the profile of their list wider.

Effectively 3 for Taranto because they'll get Green with their existing picks. They'd need to rate someone at 3.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,778]

8 hours ago, Redleg said:

I think King has told the Saints he will do what he can to join his brother next year. That is what I was told. That is why they won't keep Bruce, who they would only give one year to, because of Ben King.

Most importantly though, speculate all you like about getting Ben King, but he is contracted and has to WANT to come to us before you can do any deal.

If the AFL were serious they would do all they can to make it impossible for Ben King and Lukkious (by way of unprecedented financial incentives) to leave Gold Coast, instead of throwing draft picks at the club.

A stance needs to made because at the moment clubs like St Kilda think they are simply entitled to a gun player once he has served his 2 first years.

Edited October 9, 2019 by Bring-Back-Powell

[Redleg 40,855]

I wonder if GWS has approached us about pick 3. Would be strange to go for 4 without asking us what we will do with 3. Still think we are in the box seat.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

8 hours ago, olisik said:

Would you do Pick 3 for

Pick 4+28 (Adelaide/GWS)

or

Pick 5 + 25 (Sydney)

Won't happen.

 

[rjay 24,889]

46 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Won't happen.

 

You sure love your little calculator 'Nev'...

[Wiseblood 24,637]

52 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Won't happen.

 

As rjay says above, I think you're putting too much stock in the calculator.  If a club felt moving up a spot like that at the top end was worth it, then sticking a mid 2nd rounder in wouldn't matter much to them.

[Lucifers Hero 39,610]

According to Fox the the mooted deal between GWS and Adelaide:  GWS send Pick 12, 18 and their future first-round pick (2020) to the Crows in exchange for Pick 4.  ie 3 first round picks. 

That will set a guide for the 'splitting' value of pick 3. 

Geelong atm, hold a similar hand but not as good as Adelaide's offer:  Picks 14, 17, 24 this year.  And two 2020 first round picks, their own and WCE.  One would think Kelly makes WCE stronger and Geelong weaker so Geelong may have a better 2020 first round pick.  If Geelong trade a few of their mid picks up the order they will hold a strong hand for pick 3.

A word about 2020 picks:  there appear to be a lot of F/S and Academy picks that are touted as first round picks so any later first round pick not in the top 10-12 could easily go out to 23 to 25 or worse.  So doubt the real value of WCE, GWS, Geelong 2020 first round picks.

Other teams are candidates for pick 3 split:  Freo and even GCS who will have a swag of top 10 picks next year.  At least their own natural pick, the mid first round pp and any they get for possible trades of King and Lukoscius.

The risk of the Adelaide deal for GWS is that whoever we split pick 3 with might take Green who has been likened to Bontempelli and Cripps.

Edited October 9, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 hour ago, rjay said:

You sure love your little calculator 'Nev'...

 

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

As rjay says above, I think you're putting too much stock in the calculator.  If a club felt moving up a spot like that at the top end was worth it, then sticking a mid 2nd rounder in wouldn't matter much to them.

Well, the clubs use the points when working out deals, Mahoney famously was one of the first to really work that system, so makes sense to me to use it to value trade scenarios that people throw up, especially obviously unfair ones.

 

[Fat Tony 5,220]

14 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Nope they would have to use pick 4 for the points to match our pick 3 and they'd get a later pick as change.

That would be an incredibly risky move. They'd have to give us some incentive not to bid on Green. 

This may be a two stage deal for GWS and we will slide to pick 4.

[old55 23,414]

2 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

This may be a two stage deal for GWS and we will slide to pick 4.

Maybe 4 + Bonar for 3 is realistic since he appears on the move? GWS need to pay.

We could agree not to bid Green at 4 to sweeten it.

Edited October 10, 2019 by Fifty-5

[Fat Tony 5,220]

5 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

Maybe 4 + Bonar for 3 is realistic since he appears on the move? GWS need to pay.

We could agree not to bid Green at 4 to sweeten it.

Yes, that could work, but I heard on Trade Radio that Bonar is on a very large contract for two years. Bonar also doesn't really fit from a needs perspective.

The point is I don't know if GWS would do the Adelaide deal unless there was another deal with us (at least in principal). We may have said we want to be in the top 5 in the draft (including Thomas Greene). 

I think this deal could also tie in with Fremantle to see us go from 3 to 6/7 to get Langdon.

[Superunknown 4,214]

Can I ask a seemingly simples question (I do not purport to being a Subject Matter Expert on trading etc) - why can't we bid on Green? What is his provenance that GWS would want him so much.

 

[Red and Blue realist 2,051]

We're not splitting with GWS anymore!

[Grimes Times 1,278]

3 FOR 6 AND 12

Edited October 10, 2019 by Grimes Times
12 GONE. WHOOPS

[whatwhat say what 22,702]

St Kilda has completed a pick swap with GWS to turn a top-10 draft pick into two later first-round selections.

The Giants have gained pick 6 and pick 59 in return for picks 12 and 18

[whelan45 203]

Do we do pick 3 for 6 and next years GWS 1st rounder?

[olisik 4,060]

6 minutes ago, Grimes Times said:

3 FOR 6 AND 12

Would be tough to do since GWS have 6 and St Kilda have 12...

[Red and Blue realist 2,051]

3 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

St Kilda has completed a pick swap with GWS to turn a top-10 draft pick into two later first-round selections.

The Giants have gained pick 6 and pick 59 in return for picks 12 and 18

Maybe we'd look at moving pick 3 to 6, if GWS offer up some other reasonable assets. They've only got picks 40 and 60 which are worth 575 points. If we bid on Green at 3, that would move their pick 6 back to around pick 33 or so (exluding other picks they might get for other deals Patton Bonar etc.). Still a fair leverage point I'd think. 

[AshleyH30 566]

I think they'll try and upgrade to Pick 3 or 4. We'll have to wait and see though.