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23 hours ago, A F said:

Tom Scully's hands looked elite at junior level. Not so at AFL level.

Young's kicking appears to be as strong as Gould's. Both consistently hit targets, but both for the most part, kick relatively safely. I'm not 100% on Young being an elite kick at AFL level.

Some of these are great kicks, a personal fave is this one.

What i'm looking for is kicks under pressure and the technique that stands up at AFL level.

- Quick reliable and balanced release
- Eyes up field to see targets
- Penetration v weighting the kicks

I have to see more to get a sense of what happens if he's trapped on his right and how he deals with full on pressure but the technique looks rock solid.

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2 hours ago, Redleg said:

The guys on the AFL site, including Lloyd and Callum Twomey, said if we get him he, will at that point be the best kick in the side.

It doesn't matter which team drafts him, such is his kicking he'd be just about best in any team.

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20 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I have to see more to get a sense of what happens if he's trapped on his right and how he deals with full on pressure but the technique looks rock solid.

Most left footers are notoriously bad when it comes to kicking on their right foot.

Young will be known for his left foot kicking prior to playing a single game. I'm not wanting his right to be even considered as 'good', but he needs to be able to use his right foot to get himself out of trouble, or he'll be found out pretty quickly.

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3 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Most left footers are notoriously bad when it comes to kicking on their right foot.

Young will be known for his left foot kicking prior to playing a single game. I'm not wanting his right to be even considered as 'good', but he needs to be able to use his right foot to get himself out of trouble, or he'll be found out pretty quickly.

From the games I've seen (vs WA and SA) and most of his highlights on the NAB league app this isn't an issue. Uses his right foot when he needs to and is not so left sided like Stephens appears to be.

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On 10/25/2019 at 5:30 PM, Lord Travis said:

You’re welcome to your opinion. I’m personally very excited to be drafting the next Luke Hodge!

Wishful thinking there.

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32 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Most left footers are notoriously bad when it comes to kicking on their right foot.

Young will be known for his left foot kicking prior to playing a single game. I'm not wanting his right to be even considered as 'good', but he needs to be able to use his right foot to get himself out of trouble, or he'll be found out pretty quickly.

I need to see more to see how he moves to get back on to his left as much as if his right passes the basic pass marks. 

I'm fine with most players using just their preferred side to kick but they have to be able to get out of trouble to get back to their good side.

Salem rarely uses his right but he has really quick feet to take lots of short little steps and kick on his left before getting smothered or tackled. 

At some stage I'll watch Young's full TAC highlights and hope to see his elite agility and footy smarts to get time and space.

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He will give us greater flexibility off half back and wing, and looks like he is ready to play.

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Those believing that Young is 'just a half-back flanker' are greatly underselling him.

He may have played that position almost his entire under 18's year, but his attribute diversity and therefore upside is infinite.

He has an incredible blend of attributes.

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Best kick in the draft, would be the best kick in the team if drafted by us. Presently ranked in the top 5 of this years draft. And we are linked to a ruckman ranked mid teens. Oh I hope that information is so wrong, I hope we take Young at 3. [after we bid on Green.]

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18 minutes ago, Deebacle said:

Best kick in the draft, would be the best kick in the team if drafted by us. Presently ranked in the top 5 of this years draft. And we are linked to a ruckman ranked mid teens. Oh I hope that information is so wrong, I hope we take Young at 3. [after we bid on Green.]

What a diabolical DEEbacle that would be.

Can see the threads in five years time as Young helps kick his team in to another finals series while we are still wondering what to do with two ruckman who never quite found their niche or lived up to their hype who have almost zero trade value.

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41 minutes ago, Deebacle said:

Best kick in the draft, would be the best kick in the team if drafted by us. Presently ranked in the top 5 of this years draft. And we are linked to a ruckman ranked mid teens. Oh I hope that information is so wrong, I hope we take Young at 3. [after we bid on Green.]

Don't be surprised if we don't bid. Our pick 3 will only be bid if we want him over all others. I don't think we do, and if GWS says take him we've shot ourselves in the foot. In any event Adelaide and Sydney will bid so it's not really our concern... unless we really want him.

 

And agreed on the ruckman thing... I'd rather us take a rookie punt than use a top pick that has... maybe... a 10% chance of making it.

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3 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

What a diabolical DEEbacle that would be.

Can see the threads in five years time as Young helps kick his team in to another finals series while we are still wondering what to do with two ruckman who never quite found their niche or lived up to their hype who have almost zero trade value.

So he definitely will improve his kicking then?

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Spoke to somone connected with the Stingrays on the weekend who I know as an aquaintance. More a good mate of a mate. Anyway he suggested very strongly that we would be negligent if we didn't take this kid. He further suggested he would be a future Captain and 200 gamer. Convinced me, not that I needed too much convincing already.

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1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Spoke to somone connected with the Stingrays on the weekend who I know as an aquaintance. More a good mate of a mate. Anyway he suggested very strongly that we would be negligent if we didn't take this kid. He further suggested he would be a future Captain and 200 gamer. Convinced me, not that I needed too much convincing already.

Great to see Picket and I unanimous on a player.

I think we need as much high end talent as we can get, so to split a high pick and dilute our chances and get 2 moderate players is a loss.

Of course you could possibly get two good players for lower picks, but the chances are less and you lose this kid.

If we can guarantee 2 good kids added every year, we would be doing very well.

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On 10/28/2019 at 6:25 PM, stevethemanjordan said:

Those believing that Young is 'just a half-back flanker' are greatly underselling him.

He may have played that position almost his entire under 18's year, but his attribute diversity and therefore upside is infinite.

He has an incredible blend of attributes.

 

Hey, Dyson Heppell did it.

But so far we have no evidence Young can do it. 
I'm open to taking him if the recruiting dept think he can.
I just don't see it myself.

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1 hour ago, Mach5 said:

 

Hey, Dyson Heppell did it.

But so far we have no evidence Young can do it. 
I'm open to taking him if the recruiting dept think he can.
I just don't see it myself.

The fact that swooper mentioned he played midfield throughout his unders as well as a bit for the Stingrays suggests that he's not a 'boxed' half back flanker, even if it's his more natural position. 

The evidence is there at his unders level. That's all we have to go by. 

When was the last time a 'boxed' flanker went at pick 3 in a draft? 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

The fact that swooper mentioned he played midfield throughout his unders as well as a bit for the Stingrays suggests that he's not a 'boxed' half back flanker, even if it's his more natural position. 

The evidence is there at his unders level. That's all we have to go by. 

When was the last time a 'boxed' flanker went at pick 3 in a draft? 

 

Interestingly Callum Mills was pick 3 after we bid on him and at the time was an out and out midfielder who the Swans started at half back to ease him in to AFL footy. A few years on and he's had a few cracks at the midfield but he just looks more comfortable with strong aerial and contested work down back rather than being a midfielder. 

Vlastuin was pick 9 after being a midfielder at TAC level but a half back and captain at Vic Metro, has been ok in a few stints in the midfield but is elite across half back.

I'd argue Jake Lever is a flanker in many ways and I understand we went close to picking him with pick 3!

Then there's Daniel Rich who might be the closest comparison to Young in that kicking is by a mile the strength of his game. Pick 7 but could've gone higher.

The thing I like about Young is his elite skill - kicking - matches with his role. Like a gun forward who clunks marks or a gun mid who wins clearances for fun if you have the elite trait in one area and no clear deficiencies then you're going to be a really good player even if you aren't a superstar.

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After listening to Young interviewed on a Road To The Draft Podcast episode, I was very impressed. More sure than ever that we will take him at 3.

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On 10/28/2019 at 3:25 PM, stevethemanjordan said:

Those believing that Young is 'just a half-back flanker' are greatly underselling him.

He may have played that position almost his entire under 18's year, but his attribute diversity and therefore upside is infinite.

He has an incredible blend of attributes.

Even if he was 'just a half-back flanker' - an elite half back is an absolutely essential element in a premiership team.

Kid's a gun.

 

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Young looks like the one for me at 3 by a fair margin

Fantastic instinctive kick and decision maker and actually looks quite good in the contest with his hands. Doesn’t mind getting his hands dirty by the looks. Could push up into the wing and midfield. But his kicking of half back will really add to our team. 

Captain of the Stingrays is another plus too

 

 

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20 hours ago, Males said:

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This is ideal, only area where he’s average is endurance which can be developed under a good fitness program (I.e. “bingo”).

that disposal, contested and agility are all elite marks him as serious talent. 

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20 hours ago, Males said:

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If he was such a standout he wouldn't be projected go as low as pick 10,  although to be fair anyone could have made that page.

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