Casey redevelopment

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12 hours ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

None of our supporters live in that area. I don’t have the stats, but I’d have a guess that around 2% would live in that area. 
 

Casey is a growing area that caters to a lot of migrants, none of whom are interested in Australian Football. With City Football Group now in competition for supporters in the area, and the A League moving to a winter sport, there is no better time than now to cut the cord with Casey. It’s a waste of time. 
 

Soccer will have far greater success in that area than we ever will. 

Yeah migrants never play our game...err, Yze, Barassi, Petracca, Coniglio, Silvagni, Van der Haar, Camporeale, Montagna, La Fontaine, Mueller, Ditterich, Houli, Daw...shall I stop now?

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1 hour ago, pitmaster said:

Yeah migrants never play our game...err, Yze, Barassi, Petracca, Coniglio, Silvagni, Van der Haar, Camporeale, Montagna, La Fontaine, Mueller, Ditterich, Houli, Daw...shall I stop now?

Yes you won.

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5 hours ago, pitmaster said:

Yeah migrants never play our game...err, Yze, Barassi, Petracca, Coniglio, Silvagni, Van der Haar, Camporeale, Montagna, La Fontaine, Mueller, Ditterich, Houli, Daw...shall I stop now?

European migrants took up Aussie Rules because it was the only thing going at lunch time in the playground.

These days African, Middle Eastern, Asian and even white kids are more likely to play basketball or soccer at lunch, and can watch Liverpool, the Lakers and the Mumbai Indians on tv just as easily as watching the AFL. Just like music, tv and other hobbies sport is going to be more fractured and less of a monoculture as society becomes more global and connected by the internet.

Houli and Saad might be the only practising Muslim’s in the AFL. Aliir and Chol only Sudanese guys getting a game. 3 recent recruits in this draft in Davies, McInnes and Downie who are half asian but given 12% of the Australian population is Asian that’s a tiny fraction. Lin Jong and Peter Bell still come to mind as Asian afl players. It’s increasingly difficult for the afl to capture these audiences. 

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19 hours ago, Cards13 said:

What were your attire like bob, genuinely interested. I have the images of The Sullivan’s. 

Not quite that ancient Cards! The Sullivans TV series covered the period 1939 to 1948 so I've learnt. (Must say I didn't watch it at the time). I was a baby-boomer of the early 1950's so by the time the 1964 grannie came around I was wearing stovepipe cords, desert boots, a duffle coat and getting excited about the Mersey sound and the Stones. Hardly the Sullivans turf.  

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On 12/9/2020 at 11:23 AM, Diamond_Jim said:

many many times

I can recommend the bacon and egg rolls and the Berwick mound for viewing.

My comment is based mainly on funding. Hard to see who will pay to maintain both a training ground and Casey. Why wouldn't you play future VFL matches at the new training ground near the MCG.

Because we haven't got any timeline yet but when it comes that will be addressed.

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On 12/16/2020 at 7:43 AM, pitmaster said:

Yeah migrants never play our game...err, Yze, Barassi, Petracca, Coniglio, Silvagni, Van der Haar, Camporeale, Montagna, La Fontaine, Mueller, Ditterich, Houli, Daw...shall I stop now?

. Given the choice between Soccer and Aussie Rules, competing with the might of City Football Group, you really think we will make inroads? What inroads have we made in the 10 years we’ve been there? Give me the figures? Any migrant Casey kids playing for the MFC? 
 

Aguero Vs Gawn.....good luck winning that one

Edited December 17, 2020 by george_on_the_outer

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46 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Get ya hand off it. Given the choice between Soccer and Aussie Rules, competing with the might of City Football Group, you really think we will make inroads? What inroads have we made in the 10 years we’ve been there? Give me the figures? Any migrant Casey kids playing for the MFC? 
 

Aguero Vs Gawn.....good luck winning that one

This is not just a Casey issue, the AFL has head in the sand about the drop in participation rates of Boys between 12-18 years old.  Auskick and the massive growth in female participation have boasted numbers.  You think the quality of AFL is bad now wait a few more years the talent pool is shrinking.  Cricket is growing rapidly due to the large number of migrants from the Sub Continent calling Victoria home, you will see in particular in the outer rim many local footy clubs struggle and ovals being allocated 12 months a year to Cricket.

AFL clubs have zero interest in developing players in these areas all they are concerned about is selling memberships.

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6 hours ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Given the choice between Soccer and Aussie Rules, competing with the might of City Football Group, you really think we will make inroads? What inroads have we made in the 10 years we’ve been there? Give me the figures? Any migrant Casey kids playing for the MFC? 
 

Aguero Vs Gawn.....good luck winning that one

It's common knowledge. city have no supporters either in Manchester or in Melbourne. 

A more apt comparison would be Gawn v Jamieson (Melb city captain apparently, i had to look it up). 

A-league is a shambles and has been for years. No competition to the AFL whatsoever. 

Newer migrants gravitate to soccer. Second generation to other sports. I wouldn't be surprised to see an influx of African talent to the AFL over the next few years. No reason why, with a proper recruitment strategy second generation talent can't be attracted to the AFL

Edited December 17, 2020 by george_on_the_outer

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Considering how quickly Abu Dhabi Private Equity FC have ditched their commitment to developing football in the northern suburbs I wouldn't be doing cartwheels down at Casey just yet. If they can't get the traction they want down there either then they are just as likely to up sticks again. They might leave behind a nice facility though for the locals when they do fly the coop. 

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43 minutes ago, drdrake said:

This is not just a Casey issue, the AFL has head in the sand about the drop in participation rates of Boys between 12-18 years old.  Auskick and the massive growth in female participation have boasted numbers.  You think the quality of AFL is bad now wait a few more years the talent pool is shrinking.  Cricket is growing rapidly due to the large number of migrants from the Sub Continent calling Victoria home, you will see in particular in the outer rim many local footy clubs struggle and ovals being allocated 12 months a year to Cricket.

AFL clubs have zero interest in developing players in these areas all they are concerned about is selling memberships.

AFL is naturally shielded from the talent decline you mention because there is no external yardstick.

For the those more international sports such as cricket rugby soccer swimming and even netball where we continually punched above our weight we are coming back to the pack as other countries develop centres of excellence etc etc

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According to Pert in the article below the Dees will be training all year at Casey. I thought it was just for the preseason?

“So we’ll train all of the pre-season and all of next year out there. The ground is MCG-sized and in amazing nick.“ (Gary Pert.)

AFL club Melbourne welcomes A-League’s Melbourne City to Casey Fields

https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/a-league/aleague-southeast-melbourne-to-become-the-new-home-of-melbourne-city/news-story/a2797f235610c79d22d1d0a391246806

 

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5 hours ago, Better days ahead said:

It's common knowledge. city have no supporters either in Manchester or in Melbourne. 

A more apt comparison would be Gawn v Jamieson (Melb city captain apparently, i had to look it up). 

A-league is a shambles and has been for years. No competition to the AFL whatsoever. 

Newer migrants gravitate to soccer. Second generation to other sports. I wouldn't be surprised to see an influx of African talent to the AFL over the next few years. No reason why, with a proper recruitment strategy second generation talent can't be attracted to the AFL

As a school teacher, I’d have to disagree with you. I’ve worked in primary schools where soccer is king and others where it’s pure Aussie Rules. This is usually geographically dictated. City have plenty of supporters worldwide. Money talks and ....well you know the rest. 
 

we don’t have any real cash and will be competing against oil money who want Melb City to succeed 

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Drove past hawks new home training facility to be build in Dingley a fair way from Glenferrie

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If we move to Casey full time it wouldn’t be to grow our supporter base it would be to give our club the best chance to win a flag. 

Pert/Bartlett are on the new base close to the G ticket and I hope it happens. But  I just wonder if it doesn’t get up in the next few years maybe they or the next CEO/President might have to look strongly at Casey. Be an absolute massive call but maybe the sensible one given our current setup and ongoing endless search. 

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12 hours ago, Pulp Fritschon said:

If we move to Casey full time it wouldn’t be to grow our supporter base it would be to give our club the best chance to win a flag. 

Pert/Bartlett are on the new base close to the G ticket and I hope it happens. But  I just wonder if it doesn’t get up in the next few years maybe they or the next CEO/President might have to look strongly at Casey. Be an absolute massive call but maybe the sensible one given our current setup and ongoing endless search. 

Surely that is a ground somewhere between the G and Casey that could be developed. They have hitched their wagon to a very difficult to train horse. It may be their swan song.

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Interesting in the Article in the Herald Sun, Pert said due to covid we will be at Casey for 2021 because of the share arrangement at AAMI Park.  Interesting though our AFLW side is training at Goschs paddock, maybe the training times for AFLW doesn't see the Storm or Victory at AAMI park.

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18 minutes ago, drdrake said:

Interesting in the Article in the Herald Sun, Pert said due to covid we will be at Casey for 2021 because of the share arrangement at AAMI Park.  Interesting though our AFLW side is training at Goschs paddock, maybe the training times for AFLW doesn't see the Storm or Victory at AAMI park.

Yet he said on the info night that it was because Casey has a better per surface and is much bigger. Seems like the story changes depending on the day and who is listening.   

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Maybe waiting for Richmond to relocate to Tassie so space opens up in the MCG precinct.

Richmond (Tassie) tigers obvious rebrand to leverage off the new home in North Hobart (Richmond).

Did I see they ate opening the season there????

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54 minutes ago, old dee said:

Yet he said on the info night that it was because Casey has a better per surface and is much bigger. Seems like the story changes depending on the day and who is listening.   

I like the idea of a summer training base and for this year a training base. your away from everyone and sole focus is improving.  The Oval is in ripping condition and the new building out there looks great.

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2 minutes ago, drdrake said:

I like the idea of a summer training base and for this year a training base. your away from everyone and sole focus is improving.  The Oval is in ripping condition and the new building out there looks great.

You have my vote, it may be a good idea to have every summer out there until the holy grail become available in the next decade.

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6 hours ago, old dee said:

Surely that is a ground somewhere between the G and Casey that could be developed. They have hitched their wagon to a very difficult to train horse. It may be their swan song.

While we have been over and over this in numerous threads....I have to agree.  Why weren't we involved with the redevelopment at Caulfield racecourse?   More room than Goschs/AAMI.  Local clubs involved.  Middle of Demon heartland.....I could go on, but as you said we have hitched to a different wagon.

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My Crystal Ball for 2021

Demons have 10,000 fans at Casey for training session before Final.

Now that would put a different perspective on things,

The Club needs to make the facility enticing for supporters so they  spend several hours at when make the trip to Casey. A cafe or coffee cart, some memorabilia for kids, sausage sizzle and so on. It requires a different think as we likely wont get the supporters who just check training out for half an hour.. It needs to be an experience. 

 

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21 hours ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

City have plenty of supporters worldwide. Money talks and ....well you know the rest. 
 

we don’t have any real cash and will be competing against oil money who want Melb City to succeed 

Melbourne city have moved to Casey because they have no supporters. They said as much in their press release.

Manchester City may have bought some titles but they have no supporters. I’m curious on what basis you say that they have. Qatar petro dollars is not all that alluring it would seem.

Now if you had said Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern or Juventus I might entertain your argument.

But City??

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23 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

While we have been over and over this in numerous threads....I have to agree.  Why weren't we involved with the redevelopment at Caulfield racecourse?   More room than Goschs/AAMI.  Local clubs involved.  Middle of Demon heartland.....I could go on, but as you said we have hitched to a different wagon.

We can’t change venues every time one pops up. Casey has excellent facilities and the only thing to do now is find a city base. I’m guessing it’ll pop up in the dock lands precinct soon enough

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23 hours ago, Better days ahead said:

Melbourne city have moved to Casey because they have no supporters. They said as much in their press release.

Manchester City may have bought some titles but they have no supporters. I’m curious on what basis you say that they have. Qatar petro dollars is not all that alluring it would seem.

Now if you had said Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern or Juventus I might entertain your argument.

But City??

I guess it’s like how people say the MFC have no fans. When you start looking at the stats, you realise the reality. Anyway, this isn’t about City, but rather Soccer vs AFL. That’s the argument. 
 

I’ll let you chew the EPL attendance stats overs