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I'm not doing anything with my back paddock at the moment. 

Granted, it would need developing and it's four to five hours drive from Melbourne, but you've got to start somewhere.

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      On 03/06/2019 at 07:17, Diamond_Jim said:

    Believe it or not Richmond proposed moving their training facility to Cragieburn in 2007.

    I assume it was to what we now know as Cragieburn Oval... the scene of some JLT games:

    RICHMOND is set to adopt Craigieburn as its home away from home as the Tigers look to expand training facilities.
    The club is expected to oversee the construction of a top-quality ground in Melbourne's outer north for training and practice matches in a move that has thrilled locals.
    A lack of access to Punt Rd Oval during cricket season and the historic ground's smaller dimensions have prompted the 25km move down the Hume Highway.
    It is hoped an announcement will be made by AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou when he speaks at a Hume City Council business breakfast next Friday.


    https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/richmond-to-set-up-second-home-at-craigieburn.397751/

    And then they threw the cricket club out....

    Richmond Football Club will have full access to Punt Road Oval after reaching an agreement with the Richmond Cricket Club that will see it relocate to Mt Waverley.

    https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2010-10-27/relocation-a-win-for-all

    Add true DJ but still ain't in Richmond.

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    Casey is not feasible, it's simply too far from where most players will live and will put us at a distinct disadvantage trying to recruit players and will put our current playing group offside (ala St Kildas move to Seaford)

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      On 03/06/2019 at 11:41, Dr. Gonzo said:

    Casey is not feasible, it's simply too far from where most players will live and will put us at a distinct disadvantage trying to recruit players and will put our current playing group offside (ala St Kildas move to Seaford)

    I used to agree with you. Im not sure now. Whats not feasible is the current situation in which  facilities are falling rapidly behind the league  leaders and the admin is separated . Soon its going to be getting in the way of good recruiting as players will look at what we have and be unimpressed . Players will have to adjust to a move. StKilda moved when perhaps it was seen as unnecessary. So, Unless there is a plan underway somewhere else then we're starting to not have a choice. If they sit on this again for years on end  then watch our slide down the ladder in the coming years. 

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      On 03/06/2019 at 06:14, old dee said:

    My God have you ever been there? It is size of a postage stamp>

    Looking at Google maps , it is about 170 × 170 m (with tennis court area add another 50 meters).  Just enough room to put a field without spectators at the goal ends. Could incorporate the tennis courts next to it in a multi level sport, admin, hospital and parking area.

    Only a thought, especially as the MCC may be more accommodating to MFC than councils.

    Close to Fawkner or albert park fields during cricket season.

     

     

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      On 03/06/2019 at 06:48, Sorry kids said:

    Forget Yarra Park, I think we would be better suited to the Yarra Valley. Good wine, food, close to the snow . That should make the MCC mob happy.

     

    I think there is the perfect location just at the gateway to the Yarra Valley although we’re probably too late. There’s a new housing development in Lilydale close to the train line you could play the whole community benefit rubbish and given the torment this footy club gives us there’s a massive disused quarry we could just bury the whole club at the bottom.

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      On 03/06/2019 at 12:35, Wells 11 said:

    I used to agree with you. Im not sure now. Whats not feasible is the current situation in which  facilities are falling rapidly behind the league  leaders and the admin is separated . Soon its going to be getting in the way of good recruiting as players will look at what we have and be unimpressed . Players will have to adjust to a move. StKilda moved when perhaps it was seen as unnecessary. So, Unless there is a plan underway somewhere else then we're starting to not have a choice. If they sit on this again for years on end  then watch our slide down the ladder in the coming years. 

    When were competing against 8 other clubs for player signatures it will out us at a distinct disadvantage. Dingley is seen as the boondocks and Casey is another half hour away.

    Im not from that side of town and every time I have to drive to the southeast suburbs it's a nightmare. Why would players choose that when they have other options like Collingwood, Richmond, Saints, North, Carlton, Essendon all much closer to civilisation.

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      On 03/06/2019 at 21:37, Dr. Gonzo said:

    When were competing against 8 other clubs for player signatures it will out us at a distinct disadvantage. Dingley is seen as the boondocks and Casey is another half hour away.

    Im not from that side of town and every time I have to drive to the southeast suburbs it's a nightmare. Why would players choose that when they have other options like Collingwood, Richmond, Saints, North, Carlton, Essendon all much closer to civilisation.

    Isn't Dingley where Hawthorn are going.  The Hawks are based at Arctic Park it hasn't stop them being able to lure players.  Agree Casey isn't the answer, shame as Casey Fields has every thing you want with space to expand 

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      On 03/06/2019 at 21:37, Dr. Gonzo said:

    When were competing against 8 other clubs for player signatures it will out us at a distinct disadvantage. Dingley is seen as the boondocks and Casey is another half hour away.

    Im not from that side of town and every time I have to drive to the southeast suburbs it's a nightmare. Why would players choose that when they have other options like Collingwood, Richmond, Saints, North, Carlton, Essendon all much closer to civilisation.

    I don't disagree with your thesis, but should we end up at Casey (which I doubt will happen), we do have something else to sell to prospective players...playing roughly half our games each year at the MCG.

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    The triangle of land at the S E corner of Goschs. This can be greatly enlarged by putting the freeway off ramp that connects to punt rd underground. There is any amount of money available for tunnels at the moment so lets go for it.

    Another solution for those nay sayers ..ie it would be too expensive, well we could do it with pick and shovel. We have 40k members and we could all volunteer, bring a wheel barrow and shovel each, it would only take a a couple of weeks with 40,000 of us singing the club song and digging.

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      On 03/06/2019 at 22:51, special robert said:

    The triangle of land at the S E corner of Goschs. This can be greatly enlarged by putting the freeway off ramp that connects to punt rd underground. There is any amount of money available for tunnels at the moment so lets go for it.

    Another solution for those nay sayers ..ie it would be too expensive, well we could do it with pick and shovel. We have 40k members and we could all volunteer, bring a wheel barrow and shovel each, it would only take a a couple of weeks with 40,000 of us singing the club song and digging.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/128-118+Olympic+Blvd,+Melbourne+VIC+3004/@-37.8244731,144.9860747,623m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x0:0xd863a9874864d7dd!2sGoschs+Paddock!8m2!3d-37.8259367!4d144.9872096!3m4!1s0x6ad642941484cdf3:0x904f90eaab90b398!8m2!3d-37.8244752!4d144.987169

    Gosch's Paddock is large enough for Two footy ovals...  If the rectangular pitch is moved to another location.

    When the Punt Rd widening works start,  we could even build above and across Punt Rd to property on the eastern side of the road.? 

     

    ...  see 371 Punt Rd, the corner site.  https://www.google.com/maps/place/371+Punt+Rd,+Cremorne+VIC+3121/@-37.8250266,144.9878863,623m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ad64293f4738ffb:0x8adae4c4318d5e65!8m2!3d-37.8250287!4d144.9889806

    ...  This site,  we could build above and across Swan Street to abut the Richmond Station...

     

    ...  see also the Petrol station site,  399-411 Punt Rd   https://www.google.com/maps/place/399-411+Punt+Rd,+Cremorne+VIC+3121/@-37.8264328,144.9877542,623m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ad64296ad4bdc49:0xe81586c52c6c3b9e!8m2!3d-37.8264349!4d144.9888485

    ...  again we could build above and over Punt Rd having our buildings either side of Punt Rd.

     

    ...  and another possible site,  but further from the station...  449 Punt Rd...  https://www.google.com/maps/place/4%2F449+Punt+Rd,+Cremorne+VIC+3121/@-37.8284228,144.9883268,21z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ad64296d5861663:0x7ff4937bfe9fabe9!8m2!3d-37.8284228!4d144.9884636

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    I still prefer  taking over the land across from from Gosch's Paddock,  112 -158 Olympic Blvd.

    ... the green space adjacent to the Richmond Station entry...  and the adjacent land, with the 4 Clay Tennis-Courts on it.   seen here. 

    >>>  https://www.google.com/maps/place/Goschs+Paddock,+112-158+Olympic+Blvd,+Melbourne+VIC+3004/@-37.8245843,144.9846351,1247m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ad642943affc621:0xb57f9feca28eebda!8m2!3d-37.8245886!4d144.9868238

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      On 03/06/2019 at 22:51, special robert said:

    The triangle of land at the S E corner of Goschs. This can be greatly enlarged by putting the freeway off ramp that connects to punt rd underground. There is any amount of money available for tunnels at the moment so lets go for it.

    Another solution for those nay sayers ..ie it would be too expensive, well we could do it with pick and shovel. We have 40k members and we could all volunteer, bring a wheel barrow and shovel each, it would only take a a couple of weeks with 40,000 of us singing the club song and digging.

     

    No Spargo jokes allowed OD :)

    Edited by Diamond_Jim

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      On 03/06/2019 at 22:51, special robert said:

    The triangle of land at the S E corner of Goschs. This can be greatly enlarged by putting the freeway off ramp that connects to punt rd underground. There is any amount of money available for tunnels at the moment so lets go for it.

    Another solution for those nay sayers ..ie it would be too expensive, well we could do it with pick and shovel. We have 40k members and we could all volunteer, bring a wheel barrow and shovel each, it would only take a a couple of weeks with 40,000 of us singing the club song and digging.

    You first, Special.

    Bring Squirrel as well.

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      On 03/06/2019 at 22:51, special robert said:

    The triangle of land at the S E corner of Goschs. This can be greatly enlarged by putting the freeway off ramp that connects to punt rd underground. There is any amount of money available for tunnels at the moment so lets go for it.

    Another solution for those nay sayers ..ie it would be too expensive, well we could do it with pick and shovel. We have 40k members and we could all volunteer, bring a wheel barrow and shovel each, it would only take a a couple of weeks with 40,000 of us singing the club song and digging.

    Quite funny really Robert 50 % of that 40k are 70+ including me. Don't think you will get much digging done on our Walking frames.

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      On 04/06/2019 at 05:40, DV8 said:

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/128-118+Olympic+Blvd,+Melbourne+VIC+3004/@-37.8244731,144.9860747,623m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x0:0xd863a9874864d7dd!2sGoschs+Paddock!8m2!3d-37.8259367!4d144.9872096!3m4!1s0x6ad642941484cdf3:0x904f90eaab90b398!8m2!3d-37.8244752!4d144.987169

    Gosch's Paddock is large enough for Two footy ovals...  If the rectangular pitch is moved to another location.

    When the Punt Rd widening works start,  we could even build above and across Punt Rd to property on the eastern side of the road.? 

     

    ...  see 371 Punt Rd, the corner site.  https://www.google.com/maps/place/371+Punt+Rd,+Cremorne+VIC+3121/@-37.8250266,144.9878863,623m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ad64293f4738ffb:0x8adae4c4318d5e65!8m2!3d-37.8250287!4d144.9889806

    ...  This site,  we could build above and across Swan Street to abut the Richmond Station...

     

    ...  see also the Petrol station site,  399-411 Punt Rd   https://www.google.com/maps/place/399-411+Punt+Rd,+Cremorne+VIC+3121/@-37.8264328,144.9877542,623m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ad64296ad4bdc49:0xe81586c52c6c3b9e!8m2!3d-37.8264349!4d144.9888485

    ...  again we could build above and over Punt Rd having our buildings either side of Punt Rd.

     

    ...  and another possible site,  but further from the station...  449 Punt Rd...  https://www.google.com/maps/place/4%2F449+Punt+Rd,+Cremorne+VIC+3121/@-37.8284228,144.9883268,21z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ad64296d5861663:0x7ff4937bfe9fabe9!8m2!3d-37.8284228!4d144.9884636

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    I still prefer  taking over the land across from from Gosch's Paddock,  112 -158 Olympic Blvd.

    ... the green space adjacent to the Richmond Station entry...  and the adjacent land, with the 4 Clay Tennis-Courts on it.   seen here. 

    >>>  https://www.google.com/maps/place/Goschs+Paddock,+112-158+Olympic+Blvd,+Melbourne+VIC+3004/@-37.8245843,144.9846351,1247m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ad642943affc621:0xb57f9feca28eebda!8m2!3d-37.8245886!4d144.9868238

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    Love to get your preferred option DV, how many tennis courts do we need? Presumably owned by the state govt and leased to tennis australia? (or something like that) How to get it...? The Punt rd options we just buy. 

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      On 05/06/2019 at 11:15, special robert said:
      On 04/06/2019 at 05:40, DV8 said:

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/128-118+Olympic+Blvd,+Melbourne+VIC+3004/@-37.8244731,144.9860747,623m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x0:0xd863a9874864d7dd!2sGoschs+Paddock!8m2!3d-37.8259367!4d144.9872096!3m4!1s0x6ad642941484cdf3:0x904f90eaab90b398!8m2!3d-37.8244752!4d144.987169

    Gosch's Paddock is large enough for Two footy ovals...  If the rectangular pitch is moved to another location.

    When the Punt Rd widening works start,  we could even build above and across Punt Rd to property on the eastern side of the road.? 

     

    ...  see 371 Punt Rd, the corner site.  https://www.google.com/maps/place/371+Punt+Rd,+Cremorne+VIC+3121/@-37.8250266,144.9878863,623m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ad64293f4738ffb:0x8adae4c4318d5e65!8m2!3d-37.8250287!4d144.9889806

    ...  This site,  we could build above and across Swan Street to abut the Richmond Station...

     

    ...  see also the Petrol station site,  399-411 Punt Rd   https://www.google.com/maps/place/399-411+Punt+Rd,+Cremorne+VIC+3121/@-37.8264328,144.9877542,623m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ad64296ad4bdc49:0xe81586c52c6c3b9e!8m2!3d-37.8264349!4d144.9888485

    ...  again we could build above and over Punt Rd having our buildings either side of Punt Rd.

     

    ...  and another possible site,  but further from the station...  449 Punt Rd...  https://www.google.com/maps/place/4%2F449+Punt+Rd,+Cremorne+VIC+3121/@-37.8284228,144.9883268,21z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ad64296d5861663:0x7ff4937bfe9fabe9!8m2!3d-37.8284228!4d144.9884636

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    I still prefer  taking over the land across from from Gosch's Paddock,  112 -158 Olympic Blvd.

    ... the green space adjacent to the Richmond Station entry...  and the adjacent land, with the 4 Clay Tennis-Courts on it.   seen here. 

    >>>  https://www.google.com/maps/place/Goschs+Paddock,+112-158+Olympic+Blvd,+Melbourne+VIC+3004/@-37.8245843,144.9846351,1247m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ad642943affc621:0xb57f9feca28eebda!8m2!3d-37.8245886!4d144.9868238

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    Love to get your preferred option DV, how many tennis courts do we need? Presumably owned by the state govt and leased to tennis australia? (or something like that) How to get it...? The Punt rd options we just buy. 

     

    My Preferred option,  is the last option in my post...  where we have two ovals on Gosch's Paddock, (with the rectangular Pitch moved out to the  'Old Scotch Oval'  site),  and a building as close to the Richmond Railway Station as is possible. 

    So we would probably need to build over at least 4 of those Clay Tennis courts,  if not all 8 of them.  We could feasibly use the whole area of the Clay Tennis Courts, including

    the car-park behind these courts...   which would allow us to build right up to the Railway easements.  And still build above and across Olympic Boulevard, over and onto Gosch's Paddock...  which would be around the Wing position of the To be established Oval...  where the current Rectangular Pitch is,  seen on the Map Image.

     

    'The Punt Rd Options',  as you mention, could work...  but i think to get in much more passing trade,  for cafeteria,  and club shop...  and just catching visitors off the Trains,  who decide at last second to drop in...  because its just so close and convenient.

    This is how I think we will attract much more interest and supporters, with a home base so prominent and convenient........  And we could get back the Thursday,  Or sometimes Wednesday evening Training Run @ Gosch's Oval 1...  prior to our Teams announcement,  with Hamburgers and Sausage sizzling,  as we announce Dee teams.

     

    It might not attract those who are swishing 30Yr old Scotches in the long room at the 'G',  or maybe at home... but THee, are already well catered for,  anyway.

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    I would like to see us set up our administration needs in the southern stand at such time this occurs:

    https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/03/19/serious-mcg-redevelopment-expected-in-next-10-years/

    then negotiate training access for a percentage of our time on the G (say 10-20%), and use Goshes for the remaining time. Couldn’t be any closer to the G than that could it?

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      On 05/06/2019 at 22:27, —coach— said:

    I would like to see us set up our administration needs in the southern stand at such time this occurs:

    https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/03/19/serious-mcg-redevelopment-expected-in-next-10-years/

    then negotiate training access for a percentage of our time on the G (say 10-20%), and use Goshes for the remaining time. Couldn’t be any closer to the G than that could it?

    interesting

    when they link the tennis centre precinct with the mcg precinct (over rail lines) as proposed it would be a good chance to add another oval and for it to be the home of the mfc (there would be plenty of room). Other community based facilities could be added. This would transform that whole area into a fantastic multi-sport precinct with great transport (tram and train) at its doorstep and with a mfc home base right in the middle

    am i dreaming

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      On 05/06/2019 at 22:39, daisycutter said:

    interesting

    when they link the tennis centre precinct with the mcg precinct (over rail lines) as proposed it would be a good chance to add another oval and for it to be the home of the mfc (there would be plenty of room). Other community based facilities could be added. This would transform that whole area into a fantastic multi-sport precinct with great transport (tram and train) at its doorstep and with a mfc home base right in the middle

    am i dreaming

    Yes. 

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      On 06/06/2019 at 00:44, Matsuo Basho said:

    Elsternwick Park. Half the players live within walking distance. Ripe for redevelopment.

    I thought there were drainage issues with this location? Or maybe i just have NFI.

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      On 06/06/2019 at 06:21, Demon Disciple said:

    I thought there were drainage issues with this location? Or maybe i just have NFI.

    The oval is currently in beautiful shape. Second smaller oval being redone next door. Ample room for development, in a direct line, only kilometers from the G, but all too late I believe as discussed here previously. 

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    I think I've found our new social club site....

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/poor-man-s-racehorses-iconic-yarraville-pigeon-clubhouse-to-be-sold-20190609-p51w0b.html

     

    When John Saggers was a boy in the 1960s, pigeons were the "poor man's racehorse".

    It seemed to him that every second household in the Yarraville area kept them, and fathers taught their sons how to race them.

    There were no computers, and some houses didn’t even have TV, so people spent time outside, be it tending chooks or shooting rabbits.

    So he is sad to announce that the club's modest but local landmark hall of 96 years, in Regent Street, will be sold.

    At its peak in 1950, the club had more than 60 members. It now has just eight.

    Its expenses, including rates and insurance, are about $3000 a year compared to an income of $1000.

    We are disappointed but we can no longer afford to keep it,’’ Mr Saggers said. ‘‘It means an era closes.’’

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      The Demons return to the MCG to take on the High Flying Hawks on Saturday Afternoon. Hawthorn will be aiming to consolidate a position in the Top 4 whilst the Dees will be looking to take a scalp and make it four wins in a row. Who comes in and who goes out?

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