44 minutes ago, one_demon said:

Using a high draft pick on a small forward seems like a waste to me 

Depends totally on how the player turns out. If he turns into another Farmer would that be a waste?

Edited November 24, 20195 yr by old dee

Has anyone actually seen Picket play?? other than that 20 second clip off him laying someone out and taking a hanger?

 

And am i right by saying he is playing for Norwood in there reserves side?

20 minutes ago, Carn dees said:

Has anyone actually seen Picket play?? other than that 20 second clip off him laying someone out and taking a hanger?

 

And am i right by saying he is playing for Norwood in there reserves side?

 

35 minutes ago, Rocky said:

 

Those six goals convince me (even in a reserve side)! ??

his awareness and thinking ahead of where the ball is gonna drop is really good in this footage.. we can surely work on his natural gifts to get him more involved in games. pickett def seems to have traits that weightman/serong can only dream of.

Hopefully he’s not a Jarrod Garlett/Jarrod Pickett type that was taken way too high in the draft and then out of the system 4 or 5 years later.

he's got a really nice blend of toughness, class and work ethic. 

2 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

he's got a really nice blend of toughness, class and work ethic. 

on best available basis (2019 form) he's a late 2nd rounder. pick 10 is high risk.

Just now, daisycutter said:

on best available basis (2019 form) he's a late 2nd rounder. pick 10 is high risk.

Agreed. i think pick 28 is appropriate. but there is a risk someone will pinch him earlier 

14 hours ago, Skuit said:

I get this - turn 10 into two strikes at longer-odds needs-based. 

(Our draft-hand and pick-trade movements have to be looked at holistically) 

Port would be the one who should net us both. 12 & 18 in exchange for 10 & 28 & future 4th. 

Gets us ahead of the Dogs on Weightman at 13 and should be enough to land Pickett. 

I suppose the key would be Stephens (or another decent prospect) still on the table at 10.

Though I think there will still be someone of interest in the mix at 13 who the Dogs will prioritise. 

So that opens up Geelong at 14 & 17 as well - and then, repeating, GC at 15 & 20.

But I think Port are then a threat on KP at 18 if they also hold 12 &16. 

I wasn't a fan of us trading down from 8 pre-draft - as that was the absolute sweet spot. 

But we may have calculated that 10 is also also a decent sweet spot, and with 28 gives us extra flexibility. 

Taylor specifically said that we wouldn't trade down if there was even 1% chance we'd miss the player we want. That makes me think we'll get the same player at 8 or 10.

1 hour ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Agreed. i think pick 28 is appropriate. but there is a risk someone will pinch him earlier 

so be it. don't throw away 10

23 hours ago, manny100 said:

Suggestions in the press that we should not pick up Jackson or Pickett at 3 and 10 because rucks and small forwards get picked up later than those picks is the 'Gamblers fallacy' at work. Ie, 4 spins show 4 consecutive reds. You base your call on the next spin on those past spins ie you think red is on a big run and will continue or its time that black turned up. The reality is that every spin is completely independent of past spins. Each draft pick is independent from other picks, each player is different and each assessment by recruiters will be different. So Taylors call will be based on player assessment alone with a tiny pinch of needs maybe thrown in especially at 10. Whether rucks or small forwards at high picks have dudded in the past will not be a consideration. An example is Grundy slipping. High end talent but clubs were scared/worried about  wasting a high pick on a ruck in case it turned up a dud. Whereas each player should be assessed independently. Luckily our recruiting staff are well aware of this. They were keen on Oliver when he was not talked about as an early pick.

If Taylor and recruiting staff after expert deliberation  consider those 2 players are the best available at those picks then so be it. Pickett has loads of speed, goal sense, reads the fall of the ball well around goals and has great forward defensive pressure. He is likely eventually to play as a mid or be a mid option. He can worry opposition in the air as well. The big thing Pickett has got going for him is that he has those close to goal skills that no one at the club has.  We get the ball inside 50 and it comes straight back. Players like Pickett have the ability to intercept those ground balls inside 50 and create headaches for the opposition. 

Jackson can play forward as well as ruck and maybe high half forward. He may even be able to pinch hit later as a mid. As a ruck he may be almost an extra mid. He offers some insurance against ruck/forward injuries that may occur. Best of all he has bucket loads of talent.

I am not qualified to make a call but if Taylor calls their names at 3 and 10 I will understand the reasons behind it. They have done all the groundwork.

 

Yeah, like the groundwork on Jimmy Toumpas!! I like Byrons Nephew a lot happy to pick him at 10 !!

Edited November 24, 20195 yr by picket fence

4 hours ago, Carn dees said:

Has anyone actually seen Picket play?? other than that 20 second clip off him laying someone out and taking a hanger?

 

And am i right by saying he is playing for Norwood in there reserves side?

Woodville-West Torrens.

Only saw him vs WA in the Nats.  Very quiet game with only 6 touches but did manage the goal of the Nats from tight on the flank.  Mecurial to say the least but not a stand out game by a long shot.  Henry was the man in this one (again) that stood out as the class small.

Missed one Nats round through suspension....more involved in his next match against the Allies according to reports (extract from scout below)...

The exciting Eagles product proved his worth once again after missing SA’s last game through suspension, collecting 22 disposals and booting a goal. While he is an obvious threat at ground level with his pace and clean hands, Pickett also has good spring and competed well above his head when required. He started well with a ground ball get against three opponents in the first term, wheeling away from them and shooting the ball inboard to Callum Park. Despite spending a lot of time up on the wing, Pickett snared a goal deep inside 50 in the second term with an easy finish into the open goal on the run. It always felt like he was about to do something special when near the ball, and he did as much with a high-flying mark on the wing in the same quarter. Was otherwise a pretty typical display from Pickett, zipping around to mop up at ground level and proving a tackling menace at both ends.

Alot of time missing in games, not at the right places to contest or position front and square.  Plenty of work to do here...could be his tank.

A naturaly gifted player with ball in hand, smart/clever plenty of effort when he has it, amazing leap for height but will need to work on his non-possession game/fitness/endurance (cocentration?) in a big way to find the consistency at AFL imv.

Lots of upside if he does....extract from draft central below...

Pickett at his best this year has turned games by pure patches of brilliance and he knows where the goals are. He was rewarded with a SANFL League debut in Round 2, after a best-on-ground six-goal haul the week before in the Reserves. Every part of his game is at high pace and intensity, either high leaping marks, goals, or forward tackles; his pace and athleticism are eye-catching and no-one has these attributes to his level in this years crop of players. With his PAC football being a priority, Pickett only played a smaller number of games at SANFL level and finished with 15 goals from nine games. He did manage to average three tackles per game at Reserves and League level which was indicative of his impact on games. His season certainly had some highlights and every game he was in felt like something special could happen. Only bursts of his talent were shown really this year, but with consistency and opportunity he could become a true game breaker.

STRENGTHS:

Speed/acceleration
Athleticism
Footy smarts
Defensive pressure
Goal sense
X-factor

IMPROVEMENTS:

Four quarter consistency
Size
Endurance

Edited November 24, 20195 yr by Rusty Nails

If it is true we are taking Pickett at 10, we won’t be doing any swap with Port for 12-18 as they could also want him.

In another example of how badly compromised the draft is, Freo will take Henry, a better player than Pickett, at a much later pick,  while we will have to use 10 to get Pickett.

 

Edited November 24, 20195 yr by Redleg

2 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Taylor specifically said that we wouldn't trade down if there was even 1% chance we'd miss the player we want. That makes me think we'll get the same player at 8 or 10.

Maybe the player we are after is Flanders and not Pickett, if that’s the case. 

 

Yes the draft is heavily compromised.  But it’s the AFL.  Nothing’s even.  The draw, the draft , the salary cap rules, the academy scheme. 

He definitely won't be available at 28, but using 10 on him feels risky. 

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

If it is true we are taking Pickett at 10, we won’t be doing any swap with Port for 12-18 as they could also want him.

In another example of how badly compromised the draft is, Freo will take Henry, a better player than Pickett, at a much later pick,  while we will have to use 10 to get Pickett.

 

If we think Henry is better than Pickett then we'll bid with pick 10. There was no need to put some form of agreement not to bid with pick 10 for him in the trade with Freo. They got plenty from the deal as is.

EDIT: Of course they get a discount (who knows why) and can match with a bunch of crappy late picks, but at least Henry's name can be called it where it deserves to be. Silver lining I guess.

Edited November 24, 20195 yr by DeeSpencer

31 minutes ago, Luther said:

He definitely won't be available at 28, but using 10 on him feels risky. 

Agree with all on here. Pick 10 is too high a price. Pick 28 May be too late. He’s a talent and may tempt Dees to split pick 10 if good offers come. 

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Edited November 24, 20195 yr by JakovichScissorKick

29 minutes ago, Luther said:

He definitely won't be available at 28, but using 10 on him feels risky. 

 

I’ve seen a few posters say this - “risky” in what sense? What exactly are we risking?

 

1 hour ago, Dante said:

Maybe the player we are after is Flanders and not Pickett, if that’s the case. 

 

I hope not.  As much as Flanders is a very solid accumulator of stats and wins his own ball on the ground and handy in the air up forward.....let's just say the disposal side (by foot) doesn't quite match up so well from the matches i watched ?

Edited November 24, 20195 yr by Rusty Nails

46 minutes ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

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Haven't seen these highlights before.  Some great awareness and composure there as well as some very slick pick-ups and lateral movement.  I don't think I'm completely sold though on Pickett over Kemp... but there's a compelling case being mounted.

 

 

The potential selection of Pickett is intriguing to me. I think it represents a change in the philosophy of drafting. Certainly with regard to paying for player to play a role. It used to be that you paid a high price for midfielders and key forwards, and picked up the rest at the back end. But with the difficulty scoring in a congested forward line, the ability to lock the ball in and snag the occasional goal out of nothing has become much more valuable. This represents a shift towards paying for role players, rather than having a team of interchangeable midfield runners.

I watched the WA v SA game and, whilst not dominant, he does play the opportunistic pressure forward very well. He gets to great spots at ground level and is excellent in tight spaces. Should we draft him at 10? I have no idea, but he’d be great fun to watch.

Edited November 24, 20195 yr by Axis of Bob

Another highlights video, this one from a SANFL senior game: