56 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Can you even hypothesise what Pert has been doing that could lead to this conspiracy theory you’re angling at?

Serious question. 

We (Demonland) have had this discussion before in the Pert thread. Any new person at the head of a chain of command, whether in sport, politics, business, military - wherever, can have an immediate impact on the mood, energy and morale of those around them. This impact can be for the better, for the worse, or somewhere in between. 

Has Pert’s presence been a positive or a negative so far it’s hard to say. What we do know however is his arrival put some noses out of joint at the time, including the outgoing CEO’s who was reportedly staggered that he was shut out of the hiring process by President Glen Bartlett. 

Josh Mahoney was passed over for a job he was apparently groomed by Jackson for. There was just something a bit stinky about that whole affair for mine.

Edited June 11, 20195 yr by Matsuo Basho

Why are posters always bringing up Vanders?

Has played a handful of games in 6 seasons??

 

9 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

We (Demonland) have had this discussion before in the Pert thread. Any new person at the head of a chain of command, whether in sport, politics, business, military - wherever, can have an immediate impact on the mood, energy and morale of those around them. This impact can be for the better, for the worse, or somewhere in between. 

Has Pert’s presence been a positive or a negative so far it’s hard to say. What we do know however is his arrival put some noses out of joint at the time, including the outgoing CEO’s who was reportedly staggered that he was shut out of the hiring process by President Glen Bartlett. 

Josh Mahoney was passed over for a job he was apparently groomed by Jackson for. There was just something a bit stinky about that whole affair for mine.

Well if Bartlett is the no crap lawyer he’s supposed to be he and/or the other board members should act. 

I agree with your theory based on the fact we all applauded Jackson for the way he transformed the club over his tenure but I’m also pragmatic enough to question the affect Pert has had within not even a full year - negative or positive. 

I’m more open to sheer coincidence. 

Why are we taking about Pert and Bartlett in a Melkshem thread?

27 minutes ago, praha said:

Why are we taking about Pert and Bartlett in a Melkshem thread?

Stop being logical Praha. The panic is starting and This is turning into a lord of the flies scenario. We just have to find the right person to sacrifice. 

Yes we are missing Milkshake, as well as Nev and Vanders.

Tmac is playing with foot/toe issue, which is concerning. I hope it's not going to be an ongoing issue, because when he is playing well, he can be great for us.

Vanders is another player who we need get fit and playing. Don't forget he also lost his dad not long ago, so maybe the club is just giving all the time he needs, to get back playing.

It would be more concerning if all of these players were available and we were playing the way we are now.

Is this year over, i could be wrong is saying in yes; but it looks to be done for 2019. 

I hope we can show improvement for the rest of 2019 as we start to get a few guys back.

43 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

Stop being logical Praha. The panic is starting and This is turning into a lord of the flies scenario. We just have to find the right person to sacrifice. 

Logic has nothing to do with it.

If people running the club  don't want a lamb sacrifice, then the club needs to stop spinning and  accept some home truths. The bbq spit is being set up.

2 hours ago, praha said:

Why are we taking about Pert and Bartlett in a Melkshem thread?

Because it’s all inextricably linked. ?

On 6/11/2019 at 10:27 AM, Kent said:

Is he our most important missing player?

He contests

He wins one on ones 

He kicks goals 

He takes responsibility

I really think he is the key to forward line connectivity. We are much poorer with out him

Seems to be the only player that knows how to kick. To his teammate I should add. 

6 hours ago, Kent said:

Logic has nothing to do with it.

If people running the club  don't want a lamb sacrifice, then the club needs to stop spinning and  accept some home truths. The bbq spit is being set up.

Great idea Kent...   your making me hungry.

The club should put on a  50/50  B-B-Q,  during the Bye,  for all supporters to come and have a get together Pow-Wow.   Give a little Get a little... since so many supporters and members seem so ripped off.

A casual mid-season report.

Players shouldn't have to be there,  during they're break...  but some might show up.?

Supporters bring their own side-salad,  Or their meat.  One or the other.?    Mfc could ask the Casey catering crew to attend.?   preparing food at say cost-price.?  the club could put down a base payment for the caterers.?

 

.

Absolutely missing Melksham. He was one of our 2 reliable forwards with Tommy Mc last year.

There's a few things I don't love about his game - he's not a good pressure player and can be a lazy defender when not given a task, he likes to draw a free kick and in particular this year he's been iffy about taking shots on goal from around 50m out. 

But he leads up at the ball, plays in front and can kick to a forwards advantage. 

I guess the silver lining of him being out for a while is it means he's not covering for the weaknesses of others. Every mid and half forward now knows they have to improve their inside 50's.

Melkshem is one of our better finishers and will make a difference up forward once he returns (Hopefully only a few weeks after the bye!)

 Go Dees??? 

 

Edited June 12, 20195 yr by Lord Ivanhoe

On 6/11/2019 at 10:54 AM, Sir Why You Little said:

No I don’t think we can blame Pert. If that was the reason, we would have heard about it by now. It is something else that needs addressing...

Like another thing we haven’t heard about but which stands out like ? ?; isTom’s problem still his foot or is  he in some sort of dark place?

15 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Like another thing we haven’t heard about but which stands out like ? ?; isTom’s problem still his foot or is  he in some sort of dark place?

It is not good, but i think most of Tom’s problems have stemmed from the appalling delivery he has received  from up the ground. Tom would have no idea where to lead. Who would. Not a total excuse, but i don’t fully blame him

Not just Melksham, but if we're comparing to last year I think we're also very much missing Kent, Hogan and an in-form ANB.

Without those last three (yes I know ANB is still with us, but I'm talking injury-free and in-form), we are missing:

5 goals per game.

2 goal assists per game.

4 marks inside 50.

3 inside 50 tackles per game.

That's more than a 7 goal turnaround (in simplistic terms) from a direct scoreboard impact point of view, which is significant given we are averaging 5 less goals a game this year so far.

I understand the reasons for both Hogan Kent leaving, so not arguing we had much of a choice trade wise, but the reality is that's a massive impact to a forward line which is also now without it's best marking target inside 50 and deliverer inside 50 in Melksham.

To compound matters, the delivery inside 50 of those players has been replaced mostly by Oliver, Gus and Viney who this year are all averaging far far below the AFL average for inside 50 delivery. Viney in fact is rated as the single worst in the league.

 

Edited June 12, 20195 yr by Lord Nev

Fear of failure is paralysing our players

On 06/11/2019 at 10:32 AM, Demon3 said:

we were no good this year with him when he was playing.. its not one payer, although i admit he is sorely missed.

His best form is sorely missed but he doesn't reach those heights anywhere near enough.  Doesn't get to enough contests. 

I barely noticed him in the first 4 or 5 games of the year and he hasn't played since round 8. 

But he is not on his own ... there are another dozen players who are well below their best.  So it is not Jake's fault alone ... he is just one part of the problem.  Injured now so the spotlight goes elsewhere. 

Melk is our most important forward bar none.

On 6/11/2019 at 11:18 AM, TGR said:

Overrated.

Look at his 'instant defence' when he loses a contest.  From the grandstand, more interested in 'me' than 'we'.

I miss Joel Smith.

Is Joel Smith your mate ?  What have you missed about him? Is he your saviour?  Played 11 AFL games  and is in his third season. He has not proven himself. Don't get carried away by  what ever you see in him.

Edited June 13, 20195 yr by nosoupforme

On 6/11/2019 at 10:44 AM, Demon3 said:

And with out wanting to shoot Bambi (or her mum to be more accurate as no one ver shot bambi) Nev is not the future, he is slow and alsmo st done. Vanders foot may never recover, and Melk is a fwd who average less than .75 goals per game.

The list needs a reset.. and it will need to happen smartly next year. I fully believe we will get the wooden spoon so at least a gun is coming our way.

Without a full forward who can average a minimum  2 goals a game and a decent crumber feeding off him we will never b e competitive on the scoreboard.

Tmac was the obvious choice but where was his back up. Weid was really an unknown quantity.  Why we didnt replace Hogan is hard to understand. 

On 6/12/2019 at 9:39 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

It is not good, but i think most of Tom’s problems have stemmed from the appalling delivery he has received  from up the ground. Tom would have no idea where to lead. Who would. Not a total excuse, but i don’t fully blame him

Delivery has been shocking but Tmac is dropping simple marks, missing said shots and barely tackling. I think its mostly between the ears and perhaps injury.

 

Tom is clearly a confidence player and for whatever reason cannot pull himself out of this rut. A rest may do him the world of good and certainly wont hamper our chance of winning. 

12 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Why we didnt replace Hogan is hard to understand. 

Very difficult to achieve all recruiting outcomes in one post-season. Spent our bickies on Lever/May in 2017/18 and now one of the trade targets in 2019 is obviously going to be looking at the hole Hogan left.

2 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

outcomes in one post-season. Spent our bickies on Lever/May in 2017/18 and now one of th

We robbed Peter to pay.....

5 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Very difficult to achieve all recruiting outcomes in one post-season. Spent our bickies on Lever/May in 2017/18 and now one of the trade targets in 2019 is obviously going to be looking at the hole Hogan left.

Perhaps we could have used the $ spent on Preuss since we dont play him.

5 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Perhaps we could have used the $ spent on Preuss since we dont play him.

Nice work at VFL level if you can get it.