Time to go Oscar!

[dazzledavey36 52,912]

14 minutes ago, Jack Russell said:

DazzleDavey36 - I will tell you why it got taken down - it is called "trolling" and if this harmful abuse from you continues I suggest lawyering up because you will need one I would suspect.

Bahahah this has to be taking the [censored]? Lawyering up for what exactly? Saying that he is an ordinary footballer who wont be playing senior football once May and Lever are in?

[censored] spare me..

10 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

 

Dazzle, with all due respect, this kind of crapp is really pathetic.

Whilst Omac has not had a great year and is very low in confidence, he is not the main reason we lost last night or any other game this year.

He looked completely different in 2018, had more good games than poor. Something has changed. I'd rather the club find out what is causing this and fix it. We've burned the development of too many players in the past. 

Have i mentioned once he is the sole reason we havr lost games? No. We lost last night because out inability to take our opportunities in front of goal.

This is a football forum and i dont and never have rated Oscar. He has such low football IQ and has not given me any thought  that he has improved as each year goes by. Slow, weak and panics when left one on one as shown against Jenkins when he got done numerous times for holding the man. At one stage he was manned against the 172cm Betts and yet he chose to spoil instead of trying to out mark him using his 196cm 100kg frame. 

[Guest]

There is the usual hyperbolic rubbish on here about Omac.

The reality is that he is not of the required standard.

His athletic limitations are his greatest downfall.  He is frighteningly slow and lacks strength.  He would also have to be one of the slowest on an an Afl list getting the ball to hand or foot.

 I don't blame Oscar, he is doing his best, it is simply a lack of talent, not application.

Full credit to him for eking out an Afl career with these severe limitations.

[Moonshadow 17,557]

18 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Have i mentioned once he is the sole reason we havr lost games? No. We lost last night because out inability to take our opportunities in front of goal.

This is a football forum and i dont and never have rated Oscar. He has such low football IQ and has not given me any thought  that he has improved as each year goes by. Slow, weak and panics when left one on one as shown against Jenkins when he got done numerous times for holding the man. At one stage he was manned against the 172cm Betts and yet he chose to spoil instead of trying to out mark him using his 196cm 100kg frame. 

So where's your thread on our terrible kicking for goal? Or the thread on spilled easy marks inside 50? Or the thread on our poor delivery i50? I would've thought that to be more thread worthy than continually getting stuck into one player.

You stated no one was blaming any loss on Omac and I provided a clear example of a poster who did.

Threads that incite trolling against a single player are by far the worst part of Demonland.

[Soidee 1,496]

Only getting a game because of injuries.  Not AFL standard much like a lot of players on this list.  Both him and his brother should be in the VFL.  

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

40 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

 

Dazzle, with all due respect, this kind of crapp is really pathetic.

Whilst Omac has not had a great year and is very low in confidence, he is not the main reason we lost last night or any other game this year.

He looked completely different in 2018, had more good games than poor. Something has changed. I'd rather the club find out what is causing this and fix it. We've burned the development of too many players in the past. 

The thing omac hasn't adjusted to this year is the way we've been forced to defend. We had been playing a zone and recruited may and lever specifically to work within a zone structure but they haven't been available so we've gone back to a more 1 out defensive model. Works great for Frost because he needs a job which is why he's improved. Omac didn't have the strength or speed to play 1 on 1 all game but fits in well when all the defenders are relying on each other. Get may and lever back and if he's in the team as well I'm sure omac will play a lot better

[dazzledavey36 52,912]

16 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

So where's your thread on our terrible kicking for goal? Or the thread on spilled easy marks inside 50? Or the thread on our poor delivery i50? I would've thought that to be more thread worthy than continually getting stuck into one player.

You stated no one was blaming any loss on Omac and I provided a clear example of a poster who did.

Threads that incite trolling against a single player are by far the worst part of Demonland.

Hasn't this been the theme of topics on demonland this year? There are enough threads on our poor kicking for goal and also our connection between mid and forward. Its our year in a nutshell.

In regards to the poster blaming Oscar for the loss then yes i agres with you that we shouldn't  be blaming an individual on last night. I dont believe in individuals costing teams games. Its what goes on in that 120 minutes from a whole  team perspective. Again.. this is not what this thread is about ?‍♂️

Edited June 2, 2019 by dazzledavey36

[dazzledavey36 52,912]

3 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

The thing omac hasn't adjusted to this year is the way we've been forced to defend. We had been playing a zone and recruited may and lever specifically to work within a zone structure but they haven't been available so we've gone back to a more 1 out defensive model. Works great for Frost because he needs a job which is why he's improved. Omac didn't have the strength or speed to play 1 on 1 all game but fits in well when all the defenders are relying on each other. Get may and lever back and if he's in the team as well I'm sure omac will play a lot better

But RBR he hasn't adjusted to our zone even when we started it from the Paul Ross transition to Goodwin. Its only the past 2 years that the coaching staff have realised this and gone after May, Lever and even Hore to an extent because of their ability to zone off and intercept well. 

I look at someone like Marty Hore who has adjusted seamlessly like a 100 game veteran with his intercept marking and zoning off to give others a chop out. He is s beauty and have loved watching his development ever since he came back into the Sydney game after an ordinary VFL game.

[Sydee 4,206]

It’s a team sport and games are generally not won or lost by the performance of one individual irrespective of whether they play well or poorly

However, anyone who has played any team sport before will know that when certain people fail to do what most consider to be the basics at a reasonable standard it is demoralising for the team 

- missed goals from very gettabke positions 

- avoiding contact because it’s easier not to

- getting beaten in one on ones too easily etc ....

we see this regularly with our current team and that is the reason we are where we are at on the ladder 

[Moonshadow 17,557]

8 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

The thing omac hasn't adjusted to this year is the way we've been forced to defend. We had been playing a zone and recruited may and lever specifically to work within a zone structure but they haven't been available so we've gone back to a more 1 out defensive model. Works great for Frost because he needs a job which is why he's improved. Omac didn't have the strength or speed to play 1 on 1 all game but fits in well when all the defenders are relying on each other. Get may and lever back and if he's in the team as well I'm sure omac will play a lot better

You are indeed a realist. This kind of nuanced thought has no place here!!!

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[picket fence 16,705]

Might be time Mods to cut and delete the thread/topic !

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

But RBR he hasn't adjusted to our zone even when we started it from the Paul Ross transition to Goodwin. Its only the past 2 years that the coaching staff have realised this and gone after May, Lever and even Hore to an extent because of their ability to zone off and intercept well. 

I look at someone like Marty Hore who has adjusted seamlessly like a 100 game veteran with his intercept marking and zoning off to give others a chop out. He is s beauty and have loved watching his development ever since he came back into the Sydney game after an ordinary VFL game.

Evidence says we made the prelim last year, With omac as part of the zone. So to say omac never adjusted is just wrong. We recruited may and lever so that zone went to the next level. I suspect we only drafted hore because of the injury to lever. It's a great pick up and I'm hoping hore and lever will be able to play together, but he's been given the licensee this year to zone off while they've been giving Frost and omac assignments each week. That's great for Frost because he needs that but doesn't play to omac's strengths

[DV8 2,271]

16 hours ago, loges said:

Out bodied every time he's in a contest.

At least OMc keeps out-bodying his opponent,  so he's in front...  keeping his opponent between him and the goal...  Tis just a pity that the opposition keep kicking the ball over Omc's head.!

Maybe he's a forward,  in someone else's body ?

[Deemania since 56 6,562]

7 hours ago, DeezNuts said:

Just saw the score after landing in Sydney, damn I’m gutted.... what happened????

I suspect you actually know where the weak spot was on the field that allowed opposition goals to result -  as the ball passed through it. A tactic many coaches are using when scoring is so vital to save a game against the Demons. 

[P-man 13,366]

16 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

Honestly, I don't see the point in throwing more trash at him, he has been in only because of injuries to both of our first-choice key defenders. When May and Lever return, and with the development of Hore, return of Smith, and even the impending prospect of Petty overtaking him, Oscar's time and role at the club is in a twilight.

Railing against his presence in our best 22 is about as sensible as railing against the continuing of season 2019. We know the situation, we know it will end, we know there will be a new dawn.

Might as well as least let some peace flow in the meantime. Don't cling to bitterness.

Well said, LG.

[jnrmac 19,907]

Same old problem with Oscar. Amazing it has taken people so long to see what has been glaringly obvious since day1. 

No intensity. Incapable of of winning one on ones.. constantly outbodied. Slow. No turning circle. Can't jump. Ineffective spoiler. No football brain.

other than that he is reasonably tall. Is a neat kick and a good bloke.

do we have mid season de list?

[junk 342]

Demonia , I do think O'Mac needs to play in a different position, other than defence and to do this in the reserves. Oscar may be pathetic at this point in time however there are others in the same boat. I don't get the selectors motive not to play Preuss, it is woeful to say he was left out because of the condition up north. Basically we are forced to select a team who cannot play the MCG.

[Deemania since 56 6,562]

15 hours ago, Demon Dude said:

that's a simplistic view. we lost because we were the worse side. OMac was part of that. he got beaten in crucial contests, repeatedly and easily. poor game from him, even by his low standards.

The forwards worked hard, built their confidence, got a handy but well-deserved (and earned) lead in the game against the Crows. Then the Crows began a series of mini-rallies, chipping away at the Demon lead that they were confronting. An avenue to goal was required to improve their scoring chances - and they took it with reliable frequency. Just as several coaches and senior players in Demon opposition teams have done across the past few years.  Our players chip in during the hard, injury-riddled times, attempting to provide gap coverage down back, support and risky teaming across the weaker spots. The balance of the game changes. The forwards begin to see less of the ball and the rest of the team become desperate to get the ball 'down there' for a score. Forward delivery wanes in quality and quantity. Another loss looms large. When just one opposition forward blossoms in a game - but often two or three as a nett effect - the avalanche of scoring freedom results. We lose.

[Dr. Gonzo 23,745]

16 hours ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Again, if we drop him who do you replace him with? May, lever, petty, hore?? Because none of them were available. 

We lost because we couldn't convert up forward, it's as easy as that. World I prefer a backline with may, lever, Jetta, hore in it, of course but I'm not having a go at the backline for this loss

Omac out

Tmac in defense

Preuss up forward

[Ethan Tremblay 30,120]

[loges 6,767]

38 minutes ago, junk said:

Demonia , I do think O'Mac needs to play in a different position, other than defence and to do this in the reserves. Oscar may be pathetic at this point in time however there are others in the same boat. I don't get the selectors motive not to play Preuss, it is woeful to say he was left out because of the condition up north. Basically we are forced to select a team who cannot play the MCG.

I'd like to know what conditions people think it was up here last night

[buck_nekkid 5,819]

Oscar has been the ‘whipping boy’ for all of this year.  Most of the time he was exposed because the midfield defence was third rate.  He had some good games, but was overwhelmed.

In Darwin he was simply not good enough.  Whether he is hearing May’s foot-steps, or whatever, but he was poor, panicked, gave up position, gave up free kicks and was generally looked spooked being out there.

He has busted his guts for the club, and I will not call him a ‘spud’ or whatever.  He has played some good roles and good games in his time.  For that we should all appreciate him.

However, with May available and dominating at Casey, I suspect OMAC should go back to Casey and get himself sorted out.  He actually is a good disposer of the ball, and perhaps if he has a third man up role from the flank he could add real value.  I see Frost acting as a rebounding half back or even winger, with his run, whereas OMac is challenging Lever and Hore for perhaps that role.

Either way, I wish him well, and hope he puts massive pressure on top 22.

[binman 42,022]

4 hours ago, faultydet said:

Some comments are quite personal, but Bimnan, take your p.c/misandry elsewhere. 

Block me.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

An absolute bunny for opposition gorilla forwards. They look at the Thursday night MFC team sheet and start involuntarily salivating.

[Moonshadow 17,557]

9 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

An absolute bunny for opposition gorilla forwards. They look at the Thursday night MFC team sheet and start involuntarily salivating.

Ah yes, look who's back...

It's Range Rover!

[spirit of norm smith 15,276]

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I’m still laughing