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On 4/30/2019 at 10:53 PM, Matsuo Basho said:

Shaun Burgoyne, Brian Lake, Brent Guerra, Josh Gibson,  David Hale, Ben McEvoy, Jack Gunston, James Frawley, Tom Mitchell, Jaeger OMeara, Tom Scully, Chad Wingard.

 

Only O’Meara and Burgoyne, of that group were injured, when taken by the Hawks.

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Will be right at home with O'meara's dicky knee and Scully's glass ankle.

After 3 recos, Patton is one unfortunate candy sell away from a knee replacement before the age of 40

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21 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Will be right at home with O'meara's dicky knee and Scully's glass ankle.

After 3 recos, Patton is one unfortunate candy sell away from a knee replacement before the age of 40

Max Gawn has had two knee recos. Going alright.

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Patton has done 3 knees in a row, or at least 3 in a short period of time. And he missed half of his first season with 'jumpers knee'.

If he was an animal he'd have been shot by now.

Regardless of Gawn or Lever having had 'only' two recos, Patton is a bridge too far.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Max Gawn has had two knee recos. Going alright.

Matsuo Basho: "Lever will be a welcome return to the side (let’s hope his knee stands up after a SECOND reco)"

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Matsuo Basho: "Lever a star but has now had two knee recos."

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Matsuo Basho: "Job security the major sticking point in that scenario. Go down with a buckled knee, huge disaster for him."

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Matsuo Basho: "At the end of the day you’re a professional footballer at the elite level for ten years, with the ever present possibility of going down with a buckled knee every time you run out onto the park."

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Matsuo Basho: "Gawn is also a worry with his knee issues."

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You don't seem super consistent on knees old mate.

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7 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Matsuo Basho: "Lever will be a welcome return to the side (let’s hope his knee stands up after a SECOND reco)"

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Matsuo Basho: "Lever a star but has now had two knee recos."

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Matsuo Basho: "Job security the major sticking point in that scenario. Go down with a buckled knee, huge disaster for him."

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Matsuo Basho: "At the end of the day you’re a professional footballer at the elite level for ten years, with the ever present possibility of going down with a buckled knee every time you run out onto the park."

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Matsuo Basho: "Gawn is also a worry with his knee issues."

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You don't seem super consistent on knees old mate.

No inconsistency there. I’ve never said Patton is risk-free. 

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9 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

No inconsistency there. I’ve never said Patton is risk-free. 

There is inconsistency in nearly everything you post.

'Our under 23 talent is poor, better trade pick 3 for a player who will be 28 next year'

'Ken Hinkley is coach of the year'

'SECOND knee reco, he's had two knee recos, he's a worry with his knee issues - let's get Patton'

Yeah, real consistent.

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2 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

“Patton has garnered interest from other Victorian clubs but seems certain to eventually find his way to the Hawks in a trade for a mid-range pick given his lack of recent football.”

‘Seems certain’ is quite different to ‘is certain’. 

Still a very interesting cut price option for us as a key forward. Put in the Plan B or C folder in case the Ben Brown deal falls through. 

A lot of water to go under under the bridge between now and trade week. I would not be surprised in the slightest if we are one of the other Vic clubs to enquire about Patton.

What deal? The one you suggested in the thread you started on here yesterday? 

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16 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Scully.

Yes, but I am forbidden from saying or writing his name. See OP on No T$ no BS thread.

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Interesting comments in that article on the money he is prepared to accept.

"He has one more year on a lucrative deal that will effectively be torn up and replaced by what is likely a two-year deal at the Hawks.

Instead of that huge salary he would secure a deal on or around the average AFL salary of $360,000 a season."

Any club including MFC would be mad not to match that deal. There must be something else in the package that the Hawks are offering. Care to expand Redleg  :)

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On 8/3/2019 at 11:22 AM, Diamond_Jim said:

Interesting comments in that article on the money he is prepared to accept.

"He has one more year on a lucrative deal that will effectively be torn up and replaced by what is likely a two-year deal at the Hawks.

Instead of that huge salary he would secure a deal on or around the average AFL salary of $360,000 a season."

Any club including MFC would be mad not to match that deal. There must be something else in the package that the Hawks are offering. Care to expand Redleg  :)

I would call in the AFL integrity officer. Oh sorry I forgot, the AFL has no integrity.

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22 minutes ago, bingers said:

Kelvin Templeton anyone?

Oh dear.   I still have nightmares about KT taking strong pack marks 25m out from goal ... and failing to make the distance.

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Get him, he'll only cost a 3rd or 4th rounder at least. Better than our highly priced (money and picks) highly injury prone recruits of recent times.

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57 minutes ago, bingers said:

It would be repeating mistakes from the past ... Kelvin Templeton anyone?

we paid very big money for Templeton.

This guy is apparently bargain basement. Who would you prefer to take a chance on.... AVB or Patton.

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If hawthorn get him, he will make a full recovery, recapture his best form, improve some and be the 2020 Coleman medallist. If the Dees recruit him, he will be a dud. 

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I'm not sure that I'd really want to recruit a player with Patton's injury history, but knees don't seem to be quite the career ending injury they once were - that seems to be more foot injuries these days, particularly for us.

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16 hours ago, bingers said:

It would be repeating mistakes from the past ... Kelvin Templeton anyone?

Yep stay well away from Patton, Josh Jenkins is on the move Ive heard and with confidence could be a smart Pick up.

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16 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Yep stay well away from Patton, Josh Jenkins is on the move Ive heard and with confidence could be a smart Pick up.

The Josh Jenkins who is 31 before next season starts? I'd be disappointed if we didn't ask serious questions re Patton at the asking price.

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Patton won't work in the forward system we need to play.

We already have a cumbersome, ordinary forward line that completely lacks pace and gets rebounded off week in and week out. Patton would contribute to this problem. 

A player like Himmelberg as some have noted is a really good example of a nimble forward that can take a big mark but get the job done on the ground too. Even Greenwood from Adelaide, Lever's best mate, would be an interesting idea to play forward. Quick, strong, a decent kick and a good mark. Could rotate between the midfield and deep forward.

We need to radically change our set up, making us faster, unpredictable and harder to coach against.

We need a fit Melksham, a fit Hannan, even a fit Vandenberg would help. Along with Petracca, a Greenwood-type, Caddy, Bolton and another quick (how's Bedford coming along?), this will drastically change our forwardline.

Personally, I'd implement far more rotation and switching between deep forward, half forward and midfield than we do. I'd basically play a similar system to Liverpool in soccer. The front 3 or 4 attackers constantly rotate in and out of midfield, wide positions and attack. I'd look at making us dynamic as possible by making a lot of our positions agnostic and interchangeable.

Patton doesn't won't work if we go down this sort of path.

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Yeah let’s get another kpp dicky knee like lever.. no doubt hawks will get him & will get him right unlike the jinx curse the mfc have!

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We need pace, class and players in the 22-26 bracket.  Patton will go to the Hawks, a massive no to Jenkins and perhaps a new coach but that’s yet to be fully proven. 

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