Damn good assessment that echoes a lot of comments from Demonlanders.

41 minutes ago, Soidee said:

Damn good assessment 

Agree. A quality read with some strong points and arguments. 100% agree with his comments about our surfeit of contested ball winners and it is a point I have made since roos came to the club (which by the by is why I reckon roos should shoulder some blame for our unbalanced list and lack of skills for that matter).

He doesn't note that the he issue of too many contested ball winnets is componded by the fact all are butchers with the ball.

My only quibble is that he like so many others, does not take into account that it is not injury alone that is our issue. The issue is injury PLUS a rubbish preseason (an issue that was in turn compounded by some players not coming back in great shape if Lewis is to be believed). We were never close to being fit enough as our scoring (or more accurately our lack of scoring) p patterns clearly showed.

I feel pretty strongly that we are going to come to the stage where we have to trade one of the three big inside bulls, Viney, Brayshaw, Oliver and in my opinion Viney is the most one dimensional of the three. 

1 hour ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I feel pretty strongly that we are going to come to the stage where we have to trade one of the three big inside bulls, Viney, Brayshaw, Oliver and in my opinion Viney is the most one dimensional of the three. 

If Oliver is in any such discussions i'll eat my hat PO.

And i doubt Viney would be looked at while Todd is in the house.  The fact he had an interrupted pre-season, gut feel is the FD will be keeping the faith here for an expected return to 'the old Jack' in 2020 assuming a full pre-seaaon.

That leaves Gus.  I think his underwhelming performance leaves him a tad vulnerable.  Who knows he might also want to head back home anyway to play with bro.  Meant to be?

Agree with the sentiment though.  Something has to give as we are well 'overweight' inside mids.  Time to free up some room if possible for some genuine outside and/or forward talent.

Edited August 28, 20196 yr by Rusty Nails

1 hour ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I feel pretty strongly that we are going to come to the stage where we have to trade one of the three big inside bulls, Viney, Brayshaw, Oliver and in my opinion Viney is the most one dimensional of the three. 

You can’t trade Oliver. I do believe every player is tradeable for the right price. It’s just no club can afford him / offer a realistic trade.

Viney is father son that addressed leadership issues from the moment he arrived and drives standards across the club. He is feared by opposition when his body holds up.

Brayshaw is a favourite of mine and I think his kicking misfortune is more to do with what is ahead of him ie. our structures than his poor use.

Of the 3 only Brayshaw could be traded and that is doubtful with his concussion issues meaning we wouldn’t get what a player with his output deserves.

One thing often neglected in these threads is the lack of players wanting to leave MELBOURNE. We wanted Hogan out and had to push Watts out kicking and squealing.

List management has many facets but keeping key personal is vitally important if not the most important factor. Particularly, in the age of free agency where you can lose or gain serious talent for nothing but salary cap space.

 

4 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

He is a die-in-the-woods North supporter.  Keen observer of the game and has the knack of being quite neutral and objective in his articles.  Not to mention insightful.

A what?

29 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

A what?

I'll have a stab, when dogs are sick they go off and 'die in the woods'. Thus when NM are sick (aka [censored]), he wanders off - a true bandwagon supporter.

7 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

I'll have a stab, when dogs are sick they go off and 'die in the woods'. Thus when NM are sick (aka [censored]), he wanders off - a true bandwagon supporter.

 

I reckon LH was going for dyed-in-the-wool

8 hours ago, Mach5 said:

A what?

LOL!!

Just shows what a mess auto correct and not checking typing can make.

Should read: 'dyed-in-the-wool'

Good pick-up

Edit: just saw your last post - spot on!

Edited August 28, 20196 yr by Lucifer's Hero

8 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

I'll have a stab, when dogs are sick they go off and 'die in the woods'. Thus when NM are sick (aka [censored]), he wanders off - a true bandwagon supporter.

Love it!

Gave me a great laugh - always a good first thing in the morning.

On 8/22/2019 at 12:18 PM, MikeAlphaTango said:

Not sure if either have been mentioned but surely we'd be looking at the below mature aged players from the state leagues.

Matt Hammellman has kicked 60 + goals two years in a row in the NEAFL. Previously listed at Brisbane and delisted in 2017. 197cm strong marking forward.

Liam McBean is leading the SANFL goal kicking this year with 46 goals from 17 games. 202cm forward, delisted by Richmond in 2016.

 

Love the name

 

Kerr from the blues officially delisted, this is someone i would consider as a delisted free agent or a rookie, he's big and strong, has a good set of hands and has a real presence around the ground. considering he'd come for nothing i think we could do a lot worse than roll the dice on this kid for a year or 2 

Yep, delisted free agent as a rookie would work well for Kerr

Thoughts on Zac Fisher? i think he's got a lot of the attributes we're looking for. i've heard the Blues are potentially open to including him in trade packages to land jack Martin. i wonder if we could get involved in that and get him to the club. 

 

OUT: LEWIS, STRETCH, MAYNARD, KENNEDY HARRIS, HUNT, NEAL-BULLEN, GARLETT, T.SMITH, J.WAGNER, KEILTY

IN: JENKINS, LANGDON, AMON, ANDERSON, 4 DRAFT PICKS, ROOKIE

LANGDON FOR 2ND ROUND PICK

AMON FOR NEAL-BULLEN

JENKINS FOR STRETCH

3RD ROUND PICK FOR HUNT

 

B: JETTA, MAY, LEVER

HB: HIBBERD, FROST, SALEM

C : LANGDON, OLIVER, AMON

HF: MELKSHAM, T.MCDONALD, PETRACCA

F: FRITSCH, JENKINS, PETTY

FOLL: GAWN, VINEY, BRAYSHAW

IC: HARMES, JONES, ANDERSON, VANDENBERG

 

CASEY

B: NEITSHCKE, O.MCDONALD, WALKER

HB: DRAFT PICK, HORE, KOLODJASHNIJ

C : DRAFT PICK, SPARROW, BAKER

HF: DRAFT PICK, WEIDEMAN, HANNAN

F: DRAFT PICK, BRADTKE, J.SMITH

FOLL: PREUSS, JORDON, SPARGO

IC: LOCKHART, C.WAGNER, DUNKLEY, CHANDLER

EMERG: BEDFORD, ROOKIE

3 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

OUT: LEWIS, STRETCH, MAYNARD, KENNEDY HARRIS, HUNT, NEAL-BULLEN, GARLETT, T.SMITH, J.WAGNER, KEILTY

IN: JENKINS, LANGDON, AMON, ANDERSON, 4 DRAFT PICKS, ROOKIE

LANGDON FOR 2ND ROUND PICK

AMON FOR NEAL-BULLEN

JENKINS FOR STRETCH

3RD ROUND PICK FOR HUNT

 

B: JETTA, MAY, LEVER

HB: HIBBERD, FROST, SALEM

C : LANGDON, OLIVER, AMON

HF: MELKSHAM, T.MCDONALD, PETRACCA

F: FRITSCH, JENKINS, PETTY

FOLL: GAWN, VINEY, BRAYSHAW

IC: HARMES, JONES, ANDERSON, VANDENBERG

 

CASEY

B: NEITSHCKE, O.MCDONALD, WALKER

HB: DRAFT PICK, HORE, KOLODJASHNIJ

C : DRAFT PICK, SPARROW, BAKER

HF: DRAFT PICK, WEIDEMAN, HANNAN

F: DRAFT PICK, BRADTKE, J.SMITH

FOLL: PREUSS, JORDON, SPARGO

IC: LOCKHART, C.WAGNER, DUNKLEY, CHANDLER

EMERG: BEDFORD, ROOKIE

Missed these moves

i wonder, if we do execute the split with the two picks in the teens that gw$ hold, whether we'll go for brodie kemp, the kid who did his knee but was originally touted as a top five pick?

4 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

OUT: LEWIS, STRETCH, MAYNARD, KENNEDY HARRIS, HUNT, NEAL-BULLEN, GARLETT, T.SMITH, J.WAGNER, KEILTY

IN: JENKINS, LANGDON, AMON, ANDERSON, 4 DRAFT PICKS, ROOKIE

LANGDON FOR 2ND ROUND PICK

AMON FOR NEAL-BULLEN

JENKINS FOR STRETCH

3RD ROUND PICK FOR HUNT

 

B: JETTA, MAY, LEVER

HB: HIBBERD, FROST, SALEM

C : LANGDON, OLIVER, AMON

HF: MELKSHAM, T.MCDONALD, PETRACCA

F: FRITSCH, JENKINS, PETTY

FOLL: GAWN, VINEY, BRAYSHAW

IC: HARMES, JONES, ANDERSON, VANDENBERG

 

CASEY

B: NEITSHCKE, O.MCDONALD, WALKER

HB: DRAFT PICK, HORE, KOLODJASHNIJ

C : DRAFT PICK, SPARROW, BAKER

HF: DRAFT PICK, WEIDEMAN, HANNAN

F: DRAFT PICK, BRADTKE, J.SMITH

FOLL: PREUSS, JORDON, SPARGO

IC: LOCKHART, C.WAGNER, DUNKLEY, CHANDLER

EMERG: BEDFORD, ROOKIE

Do really rate Petty to figure in our best forward line?

I would rather see Wiederman get more time 

5 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

OUT: LEWIS, STRETCH, MAYNARD, KENNEDY HARRIS, HUNT, NEAL-BULLEN, GARLETT, T.SMITH, J.WAGNER, KEILTY

IN: JENKINS, LANGDON, AMON, ANDERSON, 4 DRAFT PICKS, ROOKIE

LANGDON FOR 2ND ROUND PICK

AMON FOR NEAL-BULLEN

JENKINS FOR STRETCH

3RD ROUND PICK FOR HUNT

 

B: JETTA, MAY, LEVER

HB: HIBBERD, FROST, SALEM

C : LANGDON, OLIVER, AMON

HF: MELKSHAM, T.MCDONALD, PETRACCA

F: FRITSCH, JENKINS, PETTY

FOLL: GAWN, VINEY, BRAYSHAW

IC: HARMES, JONES, ANDERSON, VANDENBERG

 

CASEY

B: NEITSHCKE, O.MCDONALD, WALKER

HB: DRAFT PICK, HORE, KOLODJASHNIJ

C : DRAFT PICK, SPARROW, BAKER

HF: DRAFT PICK, WEIDEMAN, HANNAN

F: DRAFT PICK, BRADTKE, J.SMITH

FOLL: PREUSS, JORDON, SPARGO

IC: LOCKHART, C.WAGNER, DUNKLEY, CHANDLER

EMERG: BEDFORD, ROOKIE

I like it. Trades make sense to get Langdon, Jenkins and Amon.  Anb and Stretch are perfect trade options. Walker will be gone but probably only have 44/45 on list. 

Use pick #2 or 3 on Anderson/Ash. #39 (Miles Bergman Wing) # 57 (Brodie Newman HBF) 

rookie option is Blake Kuipers. 196cm ruck/forward.  Impressed in games for Dandenong Stingrays. Reminds me of Tom Lynch (tigers) in style but only new to footy after volleyball background.  Huge potential. 

2 hours ago, Kent said:

Do really rate Petty to figure in our best forward line?

I would rather see Wiederman get more time 

I thought Petty was more impressive better around the ground and defensively. Can't rely on Weideman has to show plenty next pre season.

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

I like it. Trades make sense to get Langdon, Jenkins and Amon.  Anb and Stretch are perfect trade options. Walker will be gone but probably only have 44/45 on list. 

Use pick #2 or 3 on Anderson/Ash. #39 (Miles Bergman Wing) # 57 (Brodie Newman HBF) 

rookie option is Blake Kuipers. 196cm ruck/forward.  Impressed in games for Dandenong Stingrays. Reminds me of Tom Lynch (tigers) in style but only new to footy after volleyball background.  Huge potential. 

With the draft picks I'm looking at 3 wingman\hbf and 3 small forwards. Do you have any small forwards we can look at?

3 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

i wonder, if we do execute the split with the two picks in the teens that gw$ hold, whether we'll go for brodie kemp, the kid who did his knee but was originally touted as a top five pick?

I hope so - he is described as playing like the Bont. That is good enough for me.

8 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

OUT: LEWIS, STRETCH, MAYNARD, KENNEDY HARRIS, HUNT, NEAL-BULLEN, GARLETT, T.SMITH, J.WAGNER, KEILTY

IN: JENKINS, LANGDON, AMON, ANDERSON, 4 DRAFT PICKS, ROOKIE

LANGDON FOR 2ND ROUND PICK

AMON FOR NEAL-BULLEN

JENKINS FOR STRETCH

3RD ROUND PICK FOR HUNT

not sure the adelaide teams would go for these trades mate!!

jenkins would be on 600K+,  rubbish soft player too

stretch would be close to delisting unfortunately

8 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

AMON FOR NEAL-BULLEN

JENKINS FOR STRETCH

I always love these types of theories "I don't want these players so I'll use them in trades". why in earth would either side do those deals?

Unless opposition clubs come out and say they want either of our players they stay (or get delisted)

12 hours ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Thoughts on Zac Fisher? i think he's got a lot of the attributes we're looking for. i've heard the Blues are potentially open to including him in trade packages to land jack Martin. i wonder if we could get involved in that and get him to the club. 

One of their better players. That'd be quite incredible if they traded him.