To trust or not trust debate!

[RalphiusMaximus 6,088]

I don't Trust Pert because of the way he left Collingwood. 

I don't trust Goodwin because his gameplan has glaring flaws of which he seems completely unaware. 

I REALLY don't trust our forward line coach because our forwards have no system, no particular structure and don't operate as a unit. 

I don't trust our backline coach because every single player in that unit has gone backwards over the break. 

I DO trust Rawlings.  I think he's a bloody good coach and will be getting a senior gig sooner or later. 

It's not so much a trust or not trust thing with the players as I think we have a good list that needs better direction to be successful.  If we had better coaching on gameday and a better structure/gameplan I think we have the list to go all the way.  However what we have at the moment is one-dimensional and easy to pick apart.  After last year every team in the competition has put the microscope on Melbourne and they have all seen what the Eagles saw last season.  Every single side is going to try to do that to us and so far they are 3/3 for it working. 

Edited April 6, 2019 by RalphiusMaximus

[dworship 3,342]

4 hours ago, beelzebub said:

I had faith in Roos/ Jackson.  I could see progress. 

I have none in this lot to tell the truth...

This is all about to unravel before our eyes imho.

This is not MfCss . The very foundations from the rebuild...the reinstitution of basic footy values, the realisation you need skills and a game designed to protect and score...well.....melted in the snow.

I can see the pseudo success of last year was an illusion. We essentially blind sided a number of teams and bullied out wins. We lucked out with some teams having off days. It looked good but it was a false dawn.

We have a walking wounded list early into the season...and partly by design. We have a game plan that's laughable. We have tortoises crawling one direction whilst opposition run circles....

We have players devoid of basic skills. We have players devoid of essential fitness. You'd think this was suburban amateurs for God's sake..

We've had a whole off season to develop a strategy to take advantage of 666. We play ignorant dumb football.

Some of our coaches should be on fraud charges. 

I'm a  member. I've supported this club for 55 years. I've earnt the right to be cranky and critical. 

For a team all but universally touted as contenders to be 3 and zip is comical .

But it's ok. .... actually...it's not.

Our position is deplorable. There is undoubtedly more pain to come.

Norm Smith uttered those famous words..'I am Melbourne' . I'd like to echo that sentiment. I will never follow another team but I find it very hard to get very excited about our current prospects or club makeup.

These are my thoughts. Each to their own.

Do I trust the current regime to deliver ? No, not one iota. Some good intent has been derailed. I might be wrong. I hope I am. 

Go Dee's.. sometime.... eventually maybe.

I kept asking for a face palm button, it now appears I need a slash wrists button and F off button.

Oh and a throw myself on the train track button. FMD

Edited April 6, 2019 by dworship
Coz I keep finding more things to say about pizz weak peeps

[scarlett 247]

6 hours ago, Soidee said:

 I trust our recruiters because they have brought in talent.

 

I do not trust the playing group because they rely just on talent and do not work hard enough for each other.

 

I do not subscribe to our so called depth.  Our second tier players are good VFL players but mostly fail when given the opportunity.

 

I trust our off field team, but do not trust the playing group, they get beaten too easy and year in year out lose the games they should win.  They lack hardness and killer instinct.  They also fail to adhere to structures.  Until they play well consistently and win regularly, they cannot be trusted.

 

I look at the list and look at the talent on the list and ask how are we still playing like a bunch of losers!

First paragraph and third contradict each other, its the recruiters who brought that vfl level talent in. Although vdb, fritsch, hannan and kent all play/played their roles.  I've never looked at what players went around them to compare. Whats hurt us is the picks the recruiters have had, always trading draft picks out, buying high selling low.

The playing group are definitely trying and playing hard, look at the i50's. How you can trust the offfield  team is unbelievable. Either the structures and game plans being followed, (coaches fault) or the players dont know or understand what the coaches want implemented(im going with this one) which is the coaches fault.

Last paragraph you answer your own question, if your a professor at a university where only the smartest kids get in, yet they all fail the  exams, do you say all the students are suddenly dumb? Or change the way you're teaching.

[bing181 9,328]

13 hours ago, Soidee said:

I look at the list and look at the talent on the list and ask how are we still playing like a bunch of losers!

Easy. Because you're looking at the list through rose-coloured glasses. Stop kidding yourself. Our list is just not that good. You could put half a dozen players we had out there on Friday on the free market and there wouldn't be a single taker for them.

What the list has is potential. It doesn't yet have talent.

[bing181 9,328]

6 hours ago, scarlett said:

if your a professor at a university where only the smartest kids get in, yet they all fail the  exams, do you say all the students are suddenly dumb? Or change the way you're teaching.

Or perhaps go back and look at the entry exams, because maybe they're not actually the smartest kids after all.

Once again, our list just isn't as good as a number of you seem to think it is. If it was, we'd be winning matches. Simple.

[Nasher 33,617]

I feel like I don’t have any choice but to trust. The only thing that happens if I’m distrustful is I spend more time frustrated and anxious about what’s going to happen, which affects nobody but myself and definitely doesn’t help anything. This is a relationship I have absolutely no power in, other than to exit it, which I have no intention of doing. 

Edited April 6, 2019 by Nasher

[Lucifers Hero 40,359]

43 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Easy. Because you're looking at the list through rose-coloured glasses. Stop kidding yourself. Our list is just not that good. You could put half a dozen players we had out there on Friday on the free market and there wouldn't be a single taker for them.

What the list has is potential. It doesn't yet have talent.

That is what is scary.  For so long we have had potential but haven't managed to extract the talent, nor recruit a team with a balanced set of skills/talent.  I'm holding firm in trust of Goodwin and the club to do so with the current group plus a few more.  Not sure my trust extends to assistant coaches.  

If we can't quickly convert the potential to talent this time then we will tread water or go back to being underachievers.  Too sad too contemplate...

Edited April 6, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

[bush demon 2,062]

11 hours ago, beelzebub said:

I had faith in Roos/ Jackson.  I could see progress. 

I have none in this lot to tell the truth...

This is all about to unravel before our eyes imho.

This is not MfCss . The very foundations from the rebuild...the reinstitution of basic footy values, the realisation you need skills and a game designed to protect and score...well.....melted in the snow.

I can see the pseudo success of last year was an illusion. We essentially blind sided a number of teams and bullied out wins. We lucked out with some teams having off days. It looked good but it was a false dawn.

We have a walking wounded list early into the season...and partly by design. We have a game plan that's laughable. We have tortoises crawling one direction whilst opposition run circles....

We have players devoid of basic skills. We have players devoid of essential fitness. You'd think this was suburban amateurs for God's sake..

We've had a whole off season to develop a strategy to take advantage of 666. We play ignorant dumb football.

Some of our coaches should be on fraud charges. 

I'm a  member. I've supported this club for 55 years. I've earnt the right to be cranky and critical. 

For a team all but universally touted as contenders to be 3 and zip is comical .

But it's ok. .... actually...it's not.

Our position is deplorable. There is undoubtedly more pain to come.

Norm Smith uttered those famous words..'I am Melbourne' . I'd like to echo that sentiment. I will never follow another team but I find it very hard to get very excited about our current prospects or club makeup.

These are my thoughts. Each to their own.

Do I trust the current regime to deliver ? No, not one iota. Some good intent has been derailed. I might be wrong. I hope I am. 

Go Dee's.. sometime.... eventually maybe.

Beelzebub has a devil put aside for the Dees. 

[scarlett 247]

1 hour ago, bing181 said:

Or perhaps go back and look at the entry exams, because maybe they're not actually the smartest kids after all.

Once again, our list just isn't as good as a number of you seem to think it is. If it was, we'd be winning matches. Simple.

We drafted for a main core group of midfielders, have a top 2 ruckman, lost 1 key forward but still have one that kicked 50 last year, and spent our draft picks on 2 kpd. These are the players that should be winning games, granted there isnt as much depth and we drafted all the same type of mid, but these players are good. They've proven it, not elite, but good.

If they cant understand what the coaches are wanting do we trade out after what could be a poor year for cheap, or do we change the way they're being coached?

Or they are executing well, but its a flawed system that has been countered(tigers going poorly too)

[Nasher 33,617]

Where has all this stuff about the players not understanding the coaches coming from? It’s basically the same players as last year, with the same coaches as last year. I doubt Goody decided to start talking to them in Mandarin over the pre-season.

We greatly overcomplicate things around here when things aren’t going well.

[scarlett 247]

1 hour ago, Nasher said:

Where has all this stuff about the players not understanding the coaches coming from? It’s basically the same players as last year, with the same coaches as last year. I doubt Goody decided to start talking to them in Mandarin over the pre-season.

We greatly overcomplicate things around here when things aren’t going well.

Either the players aren't understanding how to implement the set ups, or even worse they are and its how the coaches want it. If it were 1 or 2 players, you would say its the players. Remember these are the same core players that have proven they can play and play to instruction. The rest of the team are bottom depth, new players or new roles so you can understand standing in the wrong spot and such, but our senior guys should be able to help, but they dont because it looks like they have nfi either. i have watched jones and others jog around in no mans land. Oliver and brayshaw not in position at ball ups and throw ins, causing easy take aways or if they do win it on shear talent pressured disposal. Setting up to defend the rebound 50 was basically non existent. 

 

[John Crow Batty 8,878]

A benefit of our finals charge last season has been prime time games. However bad losses have the effect of ruining most of ones weekend. 3 unwelcome miserable losses in a row and perhaps another coming next week. Starting to miss those late Sunday arvo games. At least we had the chance to enjoy most of our Saturday nights and the weekend.  Thanks MFC.

Edited April 7, 2019 by america de cali

[bing181 9,328]

5 hours ago, scarlett said:

Either the players aren't understanding how to implement the set ups, or even worse they are and its how the coaches want it.

You're presuming that if they're understanding, they're implementing.

It should be pretty clear that they aren't.

[binman 43,757]

9 hours ago, Nasher said:

I feel like I don’t have any choice but to trust. The only thing that happens if I’m distrustful is I spend more time frustrated and anxious about what’s going to happen, which affects nobody but myself and definitely doesn’t help anything. This is a relationship I have absolutely no power in, other than to exit it, which I have no intention of doing. 

My thoughts exactly

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

I don’t know about trust but I do have the definitive answer on an age old question.

After sticking with this team through decade of darkest of times, from laughing stock -> VFL standard -> middle tier -> contender and then back to a (sad) laughing stock in the course of a few games, and most recently to the side I despise above all (with an unhealthy passion) proves, once an for all, there is no god!

[beelzebub 23,383]

1 hour ago, bing181 said:

You're presuming that if they're understanding, they're implementing.

It should be pretty clear that they aren't.

Given the nature of much play I'd counter that they either are and also doing it poorly.

Bombing... crowding..over contesting..

It's not accidental. It's by order. Theyre just clueless to implement a bad plan. 

[chook fowler 19,533]

It’s hard to understand how quickly the season has gone down the crapper - and I can’t see a way back with Casey going so badly. Is this year an aboration or was it last year? Stuffed if I know.

[Flemo56 409]

Unfortunately my only trust in this team is of more misery to unfold. We are so overrated it’s becoming a joke that I almost believed. I cannot see us winning a game we are so bad compared too the skill and mindset of ALL the rest of the competition, yeah, including the blubags. How can we trust this club when it has such a great track record of letting us supporters down. We must be very thick skinned as supporters of the dees that I don’t think we have any feelings under that skin, or is it that we’re stupid, no offence meant! But I would like too think it’s purely because we’re loyal fighters too the end. Pity our team doesn’t have the same loyalty and fight in it week in week out. 

Wow, writing this hasn’t helped me one iota. Totally blind faith because I was there in 64........or was that a dream!

Edited April 7, 2019 by Flemo56

[MrMoose 262]

I don't know whether to laugh at or console those members who this year upgraded their memberships to one which guaranteed a grand final ticket. Hopefully the club spends that extra 'money-for-nothing' wisely!

 

 

[WERRIDEE 5,503]

Just now, MrMoose said:

I don't know whether to laugh at or console those members who this year upgraded their memberships to one which guaranteed a grand final ticket. Hopefully the club spends that extra 'money-for-nothing' wisely!

 

 

Console me please?.

If we lose this week ending our finals chances I will never trust this team again.

[Jack son 5 162]

On 4/6/2019 at 11:44 PM, willmoy said:

Good.......

Did you have a stroke before finishing?

[Willmoy1947 4,140]

On 4/7/2019 at 8:20 AM, scarlett said:

We drafted for a main core group of midfielders, have a top 2 ruckman, lost 1 key forward but still have one that kicked 50 last year, and spent our draft picks on 2 kpd. These are the players that should be winning games, granted there isnt as much depth and we drafted all the same type of mid, but these players are good. They've proven it, not elite, but good.

If they cant understand what the coaches are wanting do we trade out after what could be a poor year for cheap, or do we change the way they're being coached?

Or they are executing well, but its a flawed system that has been countered(tigers going poorly too)

I agree, and i also reckon a rovingKPF would have been our very next trade in/trade out pick, had there been something available worth taking.

[Willmoy1947 4,140]

Wayne Carey has indicated that the maggots seem to resurrect rules in situations when it suits them, especially during MFC games.

Little things like paying many Free kicks that are sometimes there but to pay them several in a bunch in TWSNBN's forward line is a bloody disgrace.

It stood out that that game was possibly being manipulated to a degree. What would be fatalistic, is, if the betting on certain games supported this sort of a result. Carey did say that he thought we would win our next five however

1 hour ago, Jack son 5 said:

Did you have a stroke before finishing?

try it?.......

[bing181 9,328]

On 4/7/2019 at 12:09 PM, WERRIDEE said:

If we lose this week ending our finals chances I will never trust this team again.

Losing this week won't necessarily end our finals chances.

But if it does, it won't be these losses that cost us a place in the finals per se, it'll be not having had a large slab of the team - including most of our key players - unavailable for full training until mid-January (or later for some).