Maybe not wasting 1st round draft picks on defenders would be a start.

Go to the draft and continue to stock up on midfield depth like an outside runner with a bit of speed and another zippy small forward.

Lewis will finish this year, does that mean the need to bring in an experience head to continue that role on a leadership point of view? Roughead? Kade Simpson just as an example. 

  On 31/03/2019 at 04:17, dazzledavey36 said:

Maybe not wasting 1st round draft picks on defenders would be a start.

Go to the draft and continue to stock up on midfield depth like an outside runner with a bit of speed and another zippy small forward.

Lewis will finish this year, does that mean the need to bring in an experience head to continue that role on a leadership point of view? Roughead? Kade Simpson just as an example. 

Lever would fill the general role in defence, and id be looking at  lever, t mac,may and even nev jetta to calm the team down and slow tempo down when momentum is going against us and viney brayshaw and oliver to drag it back our way and drag the team with them from the engine room. A spread of cohesive leadership is a better option then bringing someone in specifically for it, however roughead would still be servicable as a forward if clarko wants to let him go,no 3 year contracts though.

  On 31/03/2019 at 04:17, dazzledavey36 said:

Maybe not wasting 1st round draft picks on defenders would be a start. 

Yep. Costly. Not only wasting them but overpaying in the process.

 

We've had three years now of absolutely butchering the trade and draft period, so it is imperative that we head back to the draft and stock up on talented kids, particularly through the midfield.

We have 4 AFL standard midfielders - contrast to teams like Collingwood & Geelong who have 8-10 players they can run through the middle. 

The Lever trade was, as plenty of people suggested at the time, a disaster which has set us back years. I wouldn't be surprised if we ultimately look back at this period as a repeat of the issues we had in the early 2000s which cost us so dearly later in the decade.

  On 31/03/2019 at 06:26, scarlett said:

Lever would fill the general role in defence, and id be looking at  lever, t mac,may and even nev jetta to calm the team down and slow tempo down when momentum is going against us and viney brayshaw and oliver to drag it back our way and drag the team with them from the engine room. A spread of cohesive leadership is a better option then bringing someone in specifically for it, however roughead would still be servicable as a forward if clarko wants to let him go,no 3 year contracts though.

Got to get Lever and May on the park first before we settle our backline. While i am confident that will happen o also have my doubts with Levers body.

someone with some pace - we are sooo slow

  On 30/03/2019 at 14:28, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Forwards forwards and more forwards.

Someone mould us another CHFwd like Neitz, the Ox, and while you're at it, we really need an agile tall utility who can ruck assist whilst running hard, all game. A Peter Moore-type. If these cannot be manufactured, I'd settle for a Greg Wells duplicate seeing that a Tulip cannot ever occur again. 

If we don’t make the finals this year then we will end up losing top end talent. If we cannot retain players then the draft is irrelevant. Top teams make the finals pretty much every year.

Edited April 1, 20196 yr by Thehardtackler

Shaun Higgins is the type of player we should target. Strong, quick, accumulator, elite foot skills, wins his own ball and not expensive.

 

  On 01/04/2019 at 21:47, jnrmac said:

Shaun Higgins is the type of player we should target. Strong, quick, accumulator, elite foot skills, wins his own ball and not expensive.

he was a free agent, who had had a career riddled with injury, but has been fantastic for north since landing there

north were always the frontrunners, but i believe we were the second team chasing him at the time

coniglio will cost a lot more, in terms of contract, but will deliver gw$ a better than second round pick, which is what footscray got for compo - with that pick they chose lukas webb (pick 27)

  On 31/03/2019 at 23:55, poita said:

We've had three years now of absolutely butchering the trade and draft period

You don't go from no finals in 2016 to playing in a Prelim in 2018 if you, in your words, butcher the trade and draft period.  

Seriously.  Some people need to get a grip.

 

  On 02/04/2019 at 01:34, Wiseblood said:

You don't go from no finals in 2016 to playing in a Prelim in 2018 if you, in your words, butcher the trade and draft period.  

Seriously.  Some people need to get a grip.

 

It's never been as good as some here have made out, but it's not a complete disaster. 

The continual recruitment of depth players with limited scope for improvement is an issue along with the refusal to go after a small forward. Lever for 2 first rounders will continue to be critiqued as it was massive overs and with his inability to show he is a key position player thus far along with the change in rules, we have seen his value diminish.

  On 02/04/2019 at 01:57, Watts the matter said:

It's never been as good as some here have made out, but it's not a complete disaster. 

The continual recruitment of depth players with limited scope for improvement is an issue along with the refusal to go after a small forward. Lever for 2 first rounders will continue to be critiqued as it was massive overs and with his inability to show he is a key position player thus far along with the change in rules, we have seen his value diminish.

It wasn't massive overs.  I'll concede that the injuries haven't helped, but I don't see it as massive overs.  His last month prior to that injury co-incided with us playing some of our best football.  That's not a coincidence.

And what small forwards should we have gone after?  Guys like Charlie Cameron and Luke Dahlhaus wanted to go back to their hometowns.  Outside of that I don't see a whole lot of quality that we could have chased that would have improved us a side.  Not to mention the fact that, up until last season, Jeffy Garlett was a 40 goal a year small forward for us.

Jamie Elliot ?? 26 years old and a restricted (?) free agent

From the official Collingwood site...

"A small forward with incredible strength and speed, Elliott marks unbelievably well for his size. His style of play has seen comparisons drawn with Paul Medhurst and Stephen Milne, but it is through his tackling and defensive work in attack that he has impressed his coaches "

Edited April 2, 20196 yr by Diamond_Jim

  On 02/04/2019 at 02:02, Wiseblood said:

It wasn't massive overs.  I'll concede that the injuries haven't helped, but I don't see it as massive overs.  His last month prior to that injury co-incided with us playing some of our best football.  That's not a coincidence.

And what small forwards should we have gone after?  Guys like Charlie Cameron and Luke Dahlhaus wanted to go back to their hometowns.  Outside of that I don't see a whole lot of quality that we could have chased that would have improved us a side.  Not to mention the fact that, up until last season, Jeffy Garlett was a 40 goal a year small forward for us.

This is not over a 1 year period. We have known for a long time that we can't rely on Garlett consistently. If we weren't busy trading the farm out for Jake Lever, then we could have traded for Devon Smith or drafted Jack Higgins for example. Dahlhaus would have been gettable if we were interested. Likewise, Lincoln McCarthy. 

Prior to drafting Bedford and Chandler we hadn't addressed the need. I don't know what the Spargo pick was, as his size and lack of speed and kicking penetration will always hold him back. Deciding to let Dean Kent go with no immediate replacement poor list management. 

Lever was good in that month, but he also did not play on any quality players during that period. With what we gave up I expect him to be able to compete with the best, we are yet to see him do this.

  On 02/04/2019 at 02:39, Diamond_Jim said:

Jamie Elliot ?? 26 years old and a restricted (?) free agent

From the official Collingwood site...

"A small forward with incredible strength and speed, Elliott marks unbelievably well for his size. His style of play has seen comparisons drawn with Paul Medhurst and Stephen Milne, but it is through his tackling and defensive work in attack that he has impressed his coaches "

Doubt he would leave, but would definitely be interested.

elliott is not really a 'small forward', more a forward who is small

good player, but why would he leave the filth?

  On 02/04/2019 at 06:13, whatwhatsaywhat said:

elliott is not really a 'small forward', more a forward who is small

good player, but why would he leave the filth?

money...going through the list of free agents both restricted and unrestricted there weren't many at all that inspired much of my interest.

Not sure where the Pies are at with salary cap so there may be some leverage.

Just throwing it out there for discussion given our need for a "smaller" defensive forward

  On 02/04/2019 at 02:39, Diamond_Jim said:

Jamie Elliot ?? 26 years old and a restricted (?) free agent

From the official Collingwood site...

"A small forward with incredible strength and speed, Elliott marks unbelievably well for his size. His style of play has seen comparisons drawn with Paul Medhurst and Stephen Milne, but it is through his tackling and defensive work in attack that he has impressed his coaches "

This is an interesting one given how he has so far played in the last 2 weeks. He signed for 1 year in October last year. I wonder how much the Pies have budgeted in the cap for him under the presumption that he'll recapture his best form. I would assume they probably haven't budgeted what others would be prepared to pay if he has a big year.

I still think he'll probably injure himself at some point this year however, or next year if we actually signed him on a decent contract

Edited April 2, 20196 yr by John Demonic

  On 02/04/2019 at 06:32, John Demonic said:

This is an interesting one given how he has so far played in the last 2 weeks. He signed for 1 year in October last year. I wonder how much the Pies have budgeted in the cap for him under the presumption that he'll recapture his best form. I would assume they probably haven't budgeted what others would be prepared to pay if he has a big year.

I still think he'll probably injure himself at some point this year however, or next year if we actually signed him on a decent contract

I would actually die if we got Jamie Elliott somehow. He is exactly what we need.

  On 31/03/2019 at 04:17, dazzledavey36 said:

Maybe not wasting 1st round draft picks on defenders would be a start.

Go to the draft and continue to stock up on midfield depth like an outside runner with a bit of speed and another zippy small forward.

Lewis will finish this year, does that mean the need to bring in an experience head to continue that role on a leadership point of view? Roughead? Kade Simpson just as an example. 

No it means we need to make sure Viney, T Mc, Gawn and Jetta are qualified and doing the job and then empower Lever, Oliver and Brayshaw to do the same with the younger players.

If Goodwin is the coach we all expect him to be then leadership will flow through him to the playing group. Josh Mahoney as well.

We really need to look at the process the Tigers put in place in 16/17 with Balme and fresh assistant coaches coming on board, filling a few gaps with smart trades, using their wasted year to get some good young talent some games and backing the coach. Not that this year is wasted just yet but there's a lot of sings pointing that way. The way the Tigers leaders all went to a new level in 2017 was something our senior players should look to. Our senior players could invest in some mindfulness to sort their heads out and that could help with a bit more belief and confidence for the younger guys. No more Jordan B Peterson either.

Pick one as it stands.

  On 02/04/2019 at 06:44, Chook said:

I would actually die if we got Jamie Elliott somehow. He is exactly what we need.

Let's just wait and see if Elliot can play the majority of games this year. He has been injured more often than not so I wouldn't be that keen unless his injury issues are proven to be a thing of the past. 

Ben Ainsworth or Tom Papley would be decent targets to trade for.  

  On 02/04/2019 at 06:02, Watts the matter said:

This is not over a 1 year period. We have known for a long time that we can't rely on Garlett consistently. If we weren't busy trading the farm out for Jake Lever, then we could have traded for Devon Smith or drafted Jack Higgins for example. Dahlhaus would have been gettable if we were interested. Likewise, Lincoln McCarthy. 

Prior to drafting Bedford and Chandler we hadn't addressed the need. I don't know what the Spargo pick was, as his size and lack of speed and kicking penetration will always hold him back. Deciding to let Dean Kent go with no immediate replacement poor list management. 

Lever was good in that month, but he also did not play on any quality players during that period. With what we gave up I expect him to be able to compete with the best, we are yet to see him do this.

Charlie is a very smart footballer who will be a regular once he builds his engine. He was pick 29 from memory or there abouts.