Training - Tuesday 12th February, 2019

[DeeSpencer 25,485]

39 minutes ago, DaisyDeeciple said:

It's probably confidential, but have always wanted to know the PB times of player for running and some of their weight records, curiosity has killed me over the years. Even a couple of 2km times would be much appreciated please. Do they crack 5m30sec? Under 6? I am flat out busting 20m for 5km, currently blown out to 22m for the distance. Always interested in what I could do in my salad days versus the players. PM the times if you don't want them spread around.

Plenty of draft camp times available.

2km time trial

Dylan Moore             6:09 minutes
Lochie O'Brien          6:12
Gryan Miers              6:13
Andrew Brayshaw     6:14
Trent Mynott            6:14
Aiden Domic             6:15
Angus Styles            6:17
Changkuoth Jiath      6:17
Nathan Murphy         6:21
Jaidyn Stephenson    6:21
Ethan Floyd              6:25

I'd imagine guys aren't improving too much on those times because a lot of the time they have to bulk up and work on their speed. Probably only a few at each club under 6 minutes and not many if any getting down towards 5:30

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 4,083]

Only the ruckman would be inclined to not improve on their 17/18 year old times. More power, efficiency and training would slash the times.

[Deemania since 56 6,609]

10 hours ago, stinga said:

In aflw the boundary umpires have been throwing the ball in from about 20 m inside the boundary line so that it ends up as a contest close to the front of the goals from anywhere inside the forward 50.   Defenders knocking the ball to a place where it might go out rather than trying to get it past 50 is not likely to continue.   More players would have to be around the contest for defenders at throw ins as well.   I'm not even sure if this is going to be trialled/accepted in JLT and season games.   Are they doing anything at training about that.

Contested ball in a player crush where no room exists for clean clearances. Typical.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

New Demon facing uphill battle to be fit for R1

[chook fowler 19,446]

15 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

New Demon facing uphill battle to be fit for R1

Club speak for “ Gorne “

[Robbie57 2,020]

On 2/12/2019 at 7:53 PM, Watson11 said:

If 10+ minutes goal kicking practice 3 times a week is all they do then I am with Dr D on this, but only comfortable in the knowledge that the entire AFL industry is pathetic on this issue.  It really is waiting for a club to put some proper work into goal-kicking.  Someone is going to win a premiership off it soon and then the entire industry will follow and we'll see players doing goal kicking practice for a couple of hours a day.  Would be great for us to be the first.

Saty, maybe you can ask Max Rooke at training if he has any ambitions to see our forwards improve accuracy the way the true professionals have in the NFL.  Back in the old days (60's), accuracy stats were around the same as the AFL at the time (~50%).  Every decade the NFL has improved and now if you are not around 85% you don't have a job for long.  The best career record is Justin Tucker of the Ravens at 90.1% over the last 6-7 years.  The average field goal distance is around 38 yards (so 34m) so probably not that different to AFL.  They don't have a ball drop but there is a bit of variation in the placement and their posts are about 1m closer together.  Compare this to the AFL where accuracy has not really improved over the past 50 years.    A professional golfer would not be professional for long if he did putting practice for 10-15 minutes 3x a week.

On the bright side, for players that had more than 30 shots at goal in a season, Tracc sits at 13th on the all time list for his 2017 season.  And for career stats TMac sits 9th on the all time list for those that have had >50 shots at goal. 

Well said. If your a forward in an arc of 45 degrees from the centre of the goals  and 35 out it should be a gimme every time. There must be a training routine for this. Who was the player who used headphones with crowd noise?  

[Gator 17,281]

Goodwin:

"It's been a challenge to have so many guys have post-season surgery," Goodwin said.

"Yep, there's an unknown element to it. It's been a shorter preparation and we've got a few guys off post-season surgery but we're going to make sure they've done the load and they've done the preparation and they're ready to go.''

 

Is ''shorter preparation'' code for ''interrupted'' ?

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,693]

4 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Goodwin:

"It's been a challenge to have so many guys have post-season surgery," Goodwin said.

"Yep, there's an unknown element to it. It's been a shorter preparation and we've got a few guys off post-season surgery but we're going to make sure they've done the load and they've done the preparation and they're ready to go.''

 

Is ''shorter preparation'' code for ''interrupted'' ?

Unlikely. I think he's just pointing out that because we played finals, we started our pre-season later than in all those years we didn't play in September.

[Gator 17,281]

Just now, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Unlikely. I think he's just pointing out that because we played finals, we started our pre-season later than in all those years we didn't play in September.

Shirley you can't be serious.

He even mentions all of the post-season surgery in the same utterances.

No need to respond.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,693]

13 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Shirley you can't be serious.

He even mentions all of the post-season surgery in the same utterances.

No need to respond.

Not even to say "Don't call me Shirley"?

[Moonshadow 17,675]

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

 

Is ''shorter preparation'' code for ''interrupted'' ?

Big time

[Satyriconhome 10,732]

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

Shirley you can't be serious.

He even mentions all of the post-season surgery in the same utterances.

No need to respond.

Goodwin is only pointing out the obvious

Not sure which bit some of you don't get re rehab

Clarry did his first full session out of 'rehab' on Tuesday in atrocious conditions and got through without a hitch, so he has done the load and conditioning work required

Bit disappointed for KK looked ok on Tuesday, obviously being extra cautious, which is exactly what Jonesy told me and BB on Tuesdsy about his 'rehab' but he should be main group next week along with Viney, Baker and others

Leaving question marks on Lever, KK and possibly Hannan?

With May already being covered by the Club

[58er 6,398]

Well put Saty

Whatever the rehab result and preparation issues or not with some players I have no doubt that first 22 for Mar 23 vs Power will still be an awesome team ready to embrace the challenge in front of us in 2019.

Go Dees

[Gator 17,281]

20 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Goodwin is only pointing out the obvious

Not sure which bit some of you don't get re rehab

Clarry did his first full session out of 'rehab' on Tuesday in atrocious conditions and got through without a hitch, so he has done the load and conditioning work required

Bit disappointed for KK looked ok on Tuesday, obviously being extra cautious, which is exactly what Jonesy told me and BB on Tuesdsy about his 'rehab' but he should be main group next week along with Viney, Baker and others

Leaving question marks on Lever, KK and possibly Hannan?

With May already being covered by the Club

Yes, of course he is, which is my point.

Many players have had interrupted preseasons.

[binman 42,689]

4 hours ago, ProDee said:

Yes, of course he is, which is my point.

Many players have had interrupted preseasons.

As you say many players have have had interrupted preseasons because of a range of issues, notably in a high number of cases surgery.  

The whole team has had shorter pre seasons because of where we finished - which certainly would have an impact on how much conditioning they can put into players. Whilst in of itself this is not huge - and is an issue all successful clubs have to deal with - it absolutely compounds the first issue (interrupted preseasons).

Further compounding the problem is because of how far we got into finals any required surgeries were later than say the previous year. So less time to recover and get ready for the 2019 season.

There is zero doubt that the number of players who have had interrupted preseasons will have a negative impact on our season. Zero. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous (to be clear i know you are  not making that suggestion PD).

How big an impact is obviously the question but it will be significant. 

I heard the fitness guy (ex Magpies i think) David Buttifant being interviewed by Sam McClure on SEN making this exact point ie having multiple players with interrupted preseason has a very big impact:

https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=331320

He made the point that the impact was not just related to recovery and fitness, but also to understanding game plan and implementing new strategies (eg because players can't participate in drills and simulations).

They compared us and Collingwood, with the pies basically having no players having had any interruptions (with the exception of 2 long term injuries, Dunn and another and rookie) and us with our truckload of rehabbing players. The comparison was not favorable. 

Edited February 14, 2019 by binman

[Dr.D 1,771]

It's definitely concerning. Not just at the quantity of players but the quality of players. That said, they all needed to have off season surgery because they were obviously playing through injuries last season so at least this way we can get them healthy for this season albeit underdone. 

[Demon Dude 425]

yeah im not too worried, I have faith that the rehab team know what they're doing. look at how TMac came back from injury last year. look at how Viney and Vanders returned to action late in the year. they ran out games, were strong and were amongst our better players. getting them cherry ripe to play is the rehab teams goal, whether it be for R1, 2 or 3, or as long as it takes.

sure it would be nice to have no players having operations and no injuries in the off season, but the reality is that's not the case, so i dunno what people expect the club to do about it. complaining about it is definitely not gonna help the situation. they just gotta get on with it the best they can.

[tiers 2,829]

Being in rehab does not mean that there is any problem. Maybe it is just to balance the loads and keep them at a level where the players do themselves no harm

I am confident that all players have a target for their respective fitness and the loads that are required to achieve their required levels.

Those not in the inner circle will have no idea what level each player has reached. I suggest that we leave it to the experts who do know.

[Watson11 2,240]

1 hour ago, tiers said:

Being in rehab does not mean that there is any problem. Maybe it is just to balance the loads and keep them at a level where the players do themselves no harm

I am confident that all players have a target for their respective fitness and the loads that are required to achieve their required levels.

Those not in the inner circle will have no idea what level each player has reached. I suggest that we leave it to the experts who do know.

https://www.teamedgeathletics.com/blog/the-next-big-thing-in-sports-data-predicting-and-avoiding-injuries.aspx

Is it wishful thinking to hope the conservative management is related to MFC adopting the latest technology (developed by an Australian company mind you). 

[Older demon 2,741]

10 hours ago, ProDee said:

Goodwin:

"It's been a challenge to have so many guys have post-season surgery," Goodwin said.

"Yep, there's an unknown element to it. It's been a shorter preparation and we've got a few guys off post-season surgery but we're going to make sure they've done the load and they've done the preparation and they're ready to go.''

 

Is ''shorter preparation'' code for ''interrupted'' ?

No it is a statement that as we played finals and our season went 3 weeks longer than we are used to. Non-finalists returned to training earlier than us and with postseason surgery delayed till after the prelim  our prep has been delayed relative to other years

[binman 42,689]

4 hours ago, Demon Dude said:

yeah im not too worried, I have faith that the rehab team know what they're doing. look at how TMac came back from injury last year. look at how Viney and Vanders returned to action late in the year. they ran out games, were strong and were amongst our better players. getting them cherry ripe to play is the rehab teams goal, whether it be for R1, 2 or 3, or as long as it takes.

sure it would be nice to have no players having operations and no injuries in the off season, but the reality is that's not the case, so i dunno what people expect the club to do about it. complaining about it is definitely not gonna help the situation. they just gotta get on with it the best they can.

I don't understand this post (and similar ones)?

Who is  complaining?

Of course we would all love there to be no injuries.

Of course the club will 'get on with it the best they can'.

Of course the fitness team will do a good job, just as they have done in the last few years.

And the less than ideal rehab and injury list won't necessarily derail our season. We remain one of the premiership favorites for a reason. We bat deep now and as has been pointed out most players in rehab are still maintaining their fitness and we only have one key serious injury (lever).

But our rehab and injury list is a factor that should be considered when assessing our season and how we might go this season. Why is there a problem acknowledging or discussing this issue? Its not being negative or all doom and wish. It is just dealing in reality. 

[Gator 17,281]

34 minutes ago, Older demon said:

No it is a statement that as we played finals and our season went 3 weeks longer than we are used to. Non-finalists returned to training earlier than us and with postseason surgery delayed till after the prelim  our prep has been delayed relative to other years

Of course it's been shorter, which can have its benefits and problems.

I should have just posted this:

Goodwin:

"It's been a challenge to have so many guys have post-season surgery," Goodwin said.

You know, as there have been many players with "'interrupted'' preseasons.

It's sort of irrefutable, despite some trying to argue otherwise some months ago.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

We were spent by the west coast game.

This year will be a different story. Those blokes with an interrupted pre-season are being managed correctly. The rest of the crew that have done a full pre-season started late to peak late like the other top teams.

injury is no excuse in the last decade hawthorn, Geelong and Sydney kept getting up despite their players playing more games, having operations later and getting less of a pre-season.

[binman 42,689]

1 hour ago, Wrecker45 said:

We were spent by the west coast game.

This year will be a different story. Those blokes with an interrupted pre-season are being managed correctly. The rest of the crew that have done a full pre-season started late to peak late like the other top teams.

injury is no excuse in the last decade hawthorn, Geelong and Sydney kept getting up despite their players playing more games, having operations later and getting less of a pre-season.

That makes zero sense.

We were cooked against wc because our last three home and easy game were like finals , we didn't make top 4, played our third final across the other side of country, in the heat against a side coming off a weeks rest. 

Surprise, surprise the team that  finished  top 4 and had a weeks break won the gf.

We needed to finish top 4. A very large part of why we didn't was the interrupted pre seasons of key players in tmac and viney.  

And the hawks, swans and cats all hit the wall last year. The swans"s season never got going in large part due to  having lots of players coming into the season under done.

[Demon Dude 425]

2 hours ago, binman said:

I don't understand this post (and similar ones)?

Who is  complaining?

Of course we would all love there to be no injuries.

Of course the club will 'get on with it the best they can'.

Of course the fitness team will do a good job, just as they have done in the last few years.

And the less than ideal rehab and injury list won't necessarily derail our season. We remain one of the premiership favorites for a reason. We bat deep now and as has been pointed out most players in rehab are still maintaining their fitness and we only have one key serious injury (lever).

But our rehab and injury list is a factor that should be considered when assessing our season and how we might go this season. Why is there a problem acknowledging or discussing this issue? Its not being negative or all doom and wish. It is just dealing in reality. 

who is complaining? have a look around the site. seems there is someone almost daily saying the same thing over and over about how they're worried about our pre season. I just cant see what the point is of continually banging on about it as there's not much that can be done about it. and how am I not dealing in reality? ive acknowledged and discussed in my previous post that there has been injuries and delays, and I said i am not that concerned about it. all teams have these issues to some degree.