Add Weideman to the list with a calf injury.

In the last 12 months we have had typical football injuries (soft tissue, knee, foot) and an inordinate amount of collision injuries (shoulder, hip, broken collar bone, concussion).

This has to be more than bad luck and our injury toll should be ringing alarm bells at the club.  I don't subscribe to the 'its Misson's fault' hysteria but I hope the club investigates the causes.  I'm not talking a 'witch hunt' but a genuine find out what the hell is going on. 

Thoughts:

• I recall in 2017 when we lost Gawn, Watts, Jones etc to soft tissue injuries the club had concerns about the Gosch surface. 
• I hpothesised in another thread that our crash and bash style of play could be a cause of the collision injury/surgeries over the last 12 months.  When crashing into a player it is hip, shoulder that come into play and they, along with the collar bone and head can come off second best.
• Do we have the right techniques to reduce collision injury risks.

When we talk about 2020 there is an implicit assumption that the injury cloud will lift and we will sail back up the ladder. 

We won't if we have anything like this year's injury epidemic.  Hopefully we have a better preseason.  Our luck re injuries might change but I feel something more deliberate needs to happen to ensure they are minimised or the impact of them (games missed) is minimised.

Edited July 12, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

I'm not interested in a witch hunt.   I just want to know who's responsible!

On 7/10/2019 at 4:30 PM, Chelly said:

Injury List: Round 17

Jake Lever (knee) – available
Neville Jetta (knee) – available
Max Gawn (ankle) – test
Harry Petty (concussion) – test
Tim Smith (something) - FMW
Marty Hore (collarbone) – 2-4 weeks
Billy Stretch (foot) – 3-4 weeks
Jake Melksham (foot) – 4-5 weeks
Tom Sparrow (knee) – 4-5 weeks
Tom McDonald (knee) – TBC 
Kade Kolodjashnij (head) – TBC
Aaron vandenBerg (foot) – TBC
Jeff Garlett (shoulder) – Season 
Joel Smith (groin) – Season
Aaron Nietschke (knee) – Season
Guy Walker (shoulder) – Indefinite
  

FMW - forgotten man of the week

Spargo - FMW?

Listed as an out for Casey but I don't think he's the carry over player (JKH is?)

6 hours ago, Roger Mellie said:

Spargo - FMW?

Listed as an out for Casey but I don't think he's the carry over player (JKH is?)

I suspect they are resting him.... his form has dropped away alarmingly even at VFL level

Pretty well sums up this season

3 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

I suspect they are resting him.... his form has dropped away alarmingly even at VFL level

Pretty well sums up this season

Doing what they did to Weideman and Oscar i presume.

22 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Add Weideman to the list with a calf injury.

In the last 12 months we have had typical football injuries (soft tissue, knee, foot) and an inordinate amount of collision injuries (shoulder, hip, broken collar bone, concussion).

This has to be more than bad luck and our injury toll should be ringing alarm bells at the club.  I don't subscribe to the 'its Misson's fault' hysteria but I hope the club investigates the causes.  I'm not talking a 'witch hunt' but a genuine find out what the hell is going on. 

Thoughts:

• I recall in 2017 when we lost Gawn, Watts, Jones etc to soft tissue injuries the club had concerns about the Gosch surface. 
• I hpothesised in another thread that our crash and bash style of play could be a cause of the collision injury/surgeries over the last 12 months.  When crashing into a player it is hip, shoulder that come into play and they, along with the collar bone and head can come off second best.
• Do we have the right techniques to reduce collision injury risks.

When we talk about 2020 there is an implicit assumption that the injury cloud will lift and we will sail back up the ladder. 

We won't if we have anything like this year's injury epidemic.  Hopefully we have a better preseason.  Our luck re injuries might change but I feel something more deliberate needs to happen to ensure they are minimised or the impact of them (games missed) is minimised.

I've always thought that teams who play badly are more likely to have injuries because players are forced to twist and turn unexpectedly. For example, a kick that misses its target forces the player to stretch more to reach it than he would have if the ball had hit the target. If this hypothesis is correct, it's not just muscles that might be damaged by overstretching, but joints could be damaged by sudden unexpected twists, and collision injuries might increase due to players being forced into more body contact when a ball is more often in dispute. 

 

Mahoney goes whack

24 minutes ago, olisik said:

 

Mahoney goes whack

To be fair, he didn't actually say that, especially the use of the word "big". It's also taken out of context, because he wasn't just talking about the fitness/medical side.

What he said was ... "there will be a lot of changes in that area and the coaching areas as well." Which unless I'm mistaken covers the whole FD.

Worth a listen, Mahoney calls a spade a spade. The above section is from around 4:05.

https://www.3aw.com.au/dees-footy-manager-says-a-failed-pre-season-has-compromised-their-performance/

 

Did we get the weekend with no additional injuries?????  

Please no training this week.  They might trip over a witches hat knowing our luck !!!

On ‎7‎/‎8‎/‎2019 at 10:24 AM, Lord Nev said:

TMac has a meniscus tear requiring surgery, done for the year.

 

My mate had a casual chat to Tom today. Surgery went well, he was not on crutches and seemed to be walking well and should be right for a full pre season. 

9 minutes ago, jane02 said:

My mate had a casual chat to Tom today. Surgery went well, he was not on crutches and seemed to be walking well and should be right for a full pre season. 

Sensational news! Thanks Jane!

 Injury List: Round 18

Tim Smith (calf) – test

Sam Weideman (calf) – test

Marty Hore (collarbone) – 2-3 weeks

Billy Stretch (foot) – 3-4 weeks

Jake Melksham (foot) – 3-4 weeks

Tom Sparrow (knee) – 3-4 weeks

Tom McDonald (knee) – TBC

Kade Kolodjashnij (head) – TBC

Aaron vandenBerg (foot) – TBC

Jeff Garlett (shoulder – season

Joel Smith (groin – season

Aaron Nietschke (knee) – season

Guy Walker (shoulder) – indefinite

5 hours ago, Chelly said:

 Injury List: Round 18

Tim Smith (calf) – test

 

Sam Weideman (calf) – test

 

Marty Hore (collarbone) – 2-3 weeks

 

Billy Stretch (foot) – 3-4 weeks

 

Jake Melksham (foot) – 3-4 weeks

 

Tom Sparrow (knee) – 3-4 weeks

 

Tom McDonald (knee) – TBC

 

Kade Kolodjashnij (head) – TBC

 

Aaron vandenBerg (foot) – TBC

 

Jeff Garlett (shoulder – season

 

Joel Smith (groin – season

 

Aaron Nietschke (knee) – season

 

Guy Walker (shoulder) – indefinite

 

Melkshams 3-4 weeks has been there for 3-4 weeks.

7 hours ago, jane02 said:

My mate had a casual chat to Tom today. Surgery went well, he was not on crutches and seemed to be walking well and should be right for a full pre season. 

Hopefully Tom’s enforced time off will help him recover from whatever else (?foot) has been holding him back all year.  We really need his 2018 (and the seven quarters prior to this knee injury) contributions. 

Has anyone seen KK around the club?  Is it the same concussion he received in the early rounds that is still keeping him out TBC?  If so, unless he is being managed even more conservatively than Nev and Angus, his future looks extremely bleak. 

Melksham has been out for 8 weeks already. It was scheduled to be only 4-5 weeks so it will probably be another few weeks at best.  Likely he’ll be listed as “season “ in the next fortnight.  

3 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Melksham has been out for 8 weeks already. It was scheduled to be only 4-5 weeks so it will probably be another few weeks at best.  Likely he’ll be listed as “season “ in the next fortnight.  

Even Vandenberg hasn’t gotten season yet. Misson probably trying to bring him back underdone 

Why not just admit that none of these players will play again this year instead of the listing on the website as follows:

Jake Melksham | Foot – 3-4 weeks

Tom Sparrow | Knee – 3-4 weeks

Tom McDonald | Knee – TBC

Kade Kolodjashnij | Head – TBC

Aaron vandenBerg | Foot – TBC

9 minutes ago, Skin Deeamond said:

Why not just admit that none of these players will play again this year instead of the listing on the website as follows:

Jake Melksham | Foot – 3-4 weeks

Tom Sparrow | Knee – 3-4 weeks

Tom McDonald | Knee – TBC

Kade Kolodjashnij | Head – TBC

Aaron vandenBerg | Foot – TBC

Tom told my friend that he will definitely not be back this season. I agree - why doesn't the club just state the obvious.

1 minute ago, jane02 said:

Tom told my friend that he will definitely not be back this season. I agree - why doesn't the club just state the obvious.

Because Melbourne. 

1 hour ago, Skin Deeamond said:

Why not just admit that none of these players will play again this year instead of the listing on the website as follows:

Jake Melksham | Foot – 3-4 weeks

Tom Sparrow | Knee – 3-4 weeks

Tom McDonald | Knee – TBC

Kade Kolodjashnij | Head – TBC

Aaron vandenBerg | Foot – TBC

Even if they could come back this year, why would you bother? All are contracted for next year, so let them have an extra month to get themselves right for a big pre season.

I would have put Jetta in that batch as well, although it seems like we are going to try and run him into the ground before the end of the year. The reaction if something serious happens to Jetta or Lever over the next six weeks will be fun to watch.

 

42 minutes ago, poita said:

Even if they could come back this year, why would you bother? All are contracted for next year, so let them have an extra month to get themselves right for a big pre season.

I would have put Jetta in that batch as well, although it seems like we are going to try and run him into the ground before the end of the year. The reaction if something serious happens to Jetta or Lever over the next six weeks will be fun to watch.

 

Exactly

1 hour ago, poita said:

Even if they could come back this year, why would you bother? All are contracted for next year, so let them have an extra month to get themselves right for a big pre season.

I would have put Jetta in that batch as well, although it seems like we are going to try and run him into the ground before the end of the year. The reaction if something serious happens to Jetta or Lever over the next six weeks will be fun to watch.

 

Fun to watch because it would show how prone to MFCSS many here are.  Would they be guaranteed to not get injured playing in the VFL?  Better to have them playing together and with May and getting some knowledge of each other in games, something they have had almost zilch of to date.

Melksham says he's 2 weeks away from a half at VFL then should do some running and play the following week, similar path to Jettas VFL run. Quite possibly the most informative injury update to come out of the club in the last decade

(Inside Melbourne podcast)

2 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

Melksham says he's 2 weeks away from a half at VFL then should do some running and play the following week, similar path to Jettas VFL run. Quite possibly the most informative injury update to come out of the club in the last decade

(Inside Melbourne podcast)

Yet he's listed as 3 to 4 weeks away on the MFC website.. 

Who the [censored] runs the MFC website these day's..

17 hours ago, poita said:

Even if they could come back this year, why would you bother? All are contracted for next year, so let them have an extra month to get themselves right for a big pre season.

I would have put Jetta in that batch as well, although it seems like we are going to try and run him into the ground before the end of the year. The reaction if something serious happens to Jetta or Lever over the next six weeks will be fun to watch.

 

I understand your point, but isn't there also merit in the argument that if they're right to go, the more games they play with their teammates the more benefit they will have from the experience of playing together?