14 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

I thought he got better as the game went on. Needs to get used to the pace of AFL. I think there's something we can work on.

Having said that, I look forward to seeing May and Lever together in our backline. Hore then becomes depth.

First game at senior level and thrown in the deep end with little support down back, I thought he got a little better as the game went on also. I’ve never said a bad word about Oscar however he had a stinker yesterday, depending on how he goes before Lever gets back I wouldn’t be against dropping Oscar and leaving Hore in the side. 

Edited March 23, 20196 yr by Ethan Tremblay

Hore needs more strength and kgs.  There's ability, but physically he's not ready. 

11 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Hore needs more strength and kgs.  There's ability, but physically he's not ready. 

He's a twig 

He's also only 190cm tall, not a key back at all. Does need a few more kgs too. Has the ability to take a grab and do some decent intercept work, but he would do better as an intercept sweeper once he picks up on the pace of AFL. 

Hore 190cm (84kg)

Lever 195cm (91kg)

May 193cm (100kg)

Petty 197cm (89kg)

Omac 196cm (100kg)

Frost 194cm (93kg)

The sooner Petty is ready for AFL the better. His disposal and decision making already appear to be far superior to OMAC and Frost's.

A back-line with May, Lever and Petty looks so much more appealing (purely for the fact that there is no OMAC or Frost in sight).

After reading the hype filled posts on Demonland re Hore over the past three months I was expecting to see a ready made role player at AFL level.

Harrison Petty was thrown to the wolves last year, but at least he was 18 and still developing.

Hore is 23 and was woefully out of his depth yesterday. He is not tall or strong enough to play key position and isn't mobile enough or kick well enough to play anywhere else. Sometimes there is a reason players get overlooked for five drafts in a row.

13 minutes ago, poita said:

After reading the hype filled posts on Demonland re Hore over the past three months I was expecting to see a ready made role player at AFL level.

Harrison Petty was thrown to the wolves last year, but at least he was 18 and still developing.

Hore is 23 and was woefully out of his depth yesterday. He is not tall or strong enough to play key position and isn't mobile enough or kick well enough to play anywhere else. Sometimes there is a reason players get overlooked for five drafts in a row.

Our Collingwood trades have gone badly for last 5 years. Kennedy, Lumumba, Dawes and now Hore. Looked very slow and disposal ordinary at best. Reminds me of a slow Wagner in defence. Not good enough for AFL.

Hopefully I’m wrong!

6 hours ago, ProDee said:

Hore needs more strength and kgs.  There's ability, but physically he's not ready. 

Unless it's a really good training program adding more weight would only slow him down and decrease his endurance, neither of which are strong points already.

Even if he's thin and a little underweight at 23 he should have the core strength to hold tackles and hold position against most opponents. He might get pushed off against a genuine powerful player but not by the average AFL player.

It looks to me like he just isn't up to the pace of the game. Won't be the first or last good VFL player to have that problem. The good news is there's plenty who have struggled with their first game or even season then been up to it once they get comfortable. Nathan Broad from the Tigers is a good example. He looked like the worst player I've ever seen in his first few games, before becoming a very handy addition for the Tigers over the last two years.

2 hours ago, D4Life said:

Our Collingwood trades have gone badly for last 5 years. Kennedy, Lumumba, Dawes and now Hore. Looked very slow and disposal ordinary at best. Reminds me of a slow Wagner in defence. Not good enough for AFL.

Hopefully I’m wrong!

Conversely they have traded quite well - Dunn and Howe ?

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Unless it's a really good training program adding more weight would only slow him down and decrease his endurance, neither of which are strong points already.

Even if he's thin and a little underweight at 23 he should have the core strength to hold tackles and hold position against most opponents. He might get pushed off against a genuine powerful player but not by the average AFL player.

It looks to me like he just isn't up to the pace of the game. Won't be the first or last good VFL player to have that problem. The good news is there's plenty who have struggled with their first game or even season then been up to it once they get comfortable. Nathan Broad from the Tigers is a good example. He looked like the worst player I've ever seen in his first few games, before becoming a very handy addition for the Tigers over the last two years.

Does it ever occur to you that you overthink things ?

The guy isn't playing midfield where you need to be an aerobic beast.  He needs to get stronger in the position he plays so he can stand his ground in contests, body up, and make tackles stick.

He's never going to become so muscle bound that he can't cover the ground.

Hore showed glimpses but ultimately was not ready. Needs a year in the system.  He is a “not quite” player. Not quite tall enough, quick enough or skilled enough. OMac is the same!

I saw the same as most.  Not strong enough when placed under physical pressure and on a few occasions when he did have time, he panicked and bombed it.

He has a long way to go, he was however working in a defence that was not functioning as it should and there was little opportunity to zone off and pick off pressured kicks into their forward line.  That is probably his go. 

I would like to see a third tall(ish) that also has the agility and strength to play a Riewoldt or Darling.  Those types will destroy this bloke at this stage.

 

There is a reason he never made it onto the Pies list.

He is a vfl player.

 

Great game by Marty Hore tonight.    

Well done to the new kid on the block.

The story of the night for me. 9 marks to go with his 20 disposals. I watched him against Box Hill and he was bloody ordinary. Completely different player tonight.

Thanks for shoving it right back at me Hore!

Very good tonight. Good mark. Good judgement.  Still vulnerable disposal and needs to lift intensity. But showed he fits in until Lever is fit to go. 

On ya, Filthy!

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The story of the night for me. 9 marks to go with his 20 disposals. I watched him against Box Hill and he was bloody ordinary. Completely different player tonight.

Thanks for shoving it right back at me Hore!

Agree he was ordinary against Box Hill and played a nice game tonight. Hopefully he can keep improving and put on a few more k's of muscle and we might have found another player.

Standout performance, I sat on the centre wing watching tonight. Always made it to the contest, swept really well and deserves a run next week

Deserves to hold his spot regardless of Jetta's fitness. Was very impressive tonight.

Hard to believe some were calling for his head after his previous and only game of AFL footy. Albiet VFL, he's a two time B&F winner, so he can clearly play and will only improve the longer he's in the team

9 minutes ago, DeezNuts said:

Standout performance, I sat on the centre wing watching tonight. Always made it to the contest, swept really well and deserves a run next week

Always different what you see at the ground compared to on tv. Hate watching it on the box, can't see the whole goings-on.

2 ordinary preseason games, a bad debut and possibly an average VFL game (I didn't see it so I can't comment). Wasn't exactly expecting much and he was excellent. The intercept mark where he cut across a forward was very important. Leapt at the ball and punched decisively. Kicking was still a bit haphazard and he rushed some disposals but it was a huge leap forward.

He has gotten used to the speed of AFL footy, takes time .

Too many are quick to judge, jetta would not have been able to play like that at the moment he has not been right all year, has been a liability because of injury, get him right will need him when the whips are cracking.

He had been useless playing effectively as a tall defender.  Last night he was pretty good playing basically as a small, rebounding defender.