Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Deemania since 56 6,715]

On 7/17/2018 at 8:00 AM, deeflog said:

Just an irrelevant media personality trying to be relevant

It is amazing what people will do, Boomer, for a pay cheque. I thought you were values-driven; evidently, these have been sacrificed alongside your credibility.

[DubDee 26,114]

The problem for us is if Hogan wants to leave. we lose a lot of bargaining power. we can say we'll just keep him unless its a good deal but usually players end up going where they want to go.

If we want to get rid of him, I will lose a lot of faith in the FD. If T Mac goes down next year we are screwed. Weid is showing promise but is years away from dominating and question marks remain for me.  and we have no back up tall fwds

[Mac7 309]

1 hour ago, Win4theAges said:

Melbourne dont have to do a thing, just sit back and wait.

Have a back up plan if Hogan says he wants a trade, but we want the lot if a trade goes down.

Ready made player aged 24, the peak of his career. Pick 4,5 and Brayshaw have to play hard ball, we hold all the cards.

Remember we dont need to trade him, how much do Freo want him?

Answer: BAD

Exactly!

Big bodied forward, coming into his prime, under contract, right as our premiership window opens! We hold all the cards here!!

If we don't get overs, or at least what we want, then he plays for the dees again next year and we have a tilt at the flag with +50 goals coming from him.

Still not a free agent next year so we have nothing to lose. 

 

 

[old55 23,687]

1 hour ago, Dee*ceiving said:

Is Jesse really a FA next year? Not certain the below is correct (source: Footy Wire) but he seems to be too young to be a RFA at the end of next year?  

He's not a Free Agent until the end of 2021.

He was drafted in special mini draft in 2012 but was not on our senior list in 2013 and could only play for Casey because he was too young.

First season on our senior list was 2014.  8 years to qualify for FA means end of 2021.

He is out of contract next year though.

Edited September 26, 2018 by Fifty-5

[Wolfturdo 123]

26 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

He's not a Free Agent until the end of 2021.

He was drafted in special mini draft in 2012 but was not on our senior list in 2013 and could only play for Casey because he was too young.

First season on our senior list was 2014.  8 years to qualify for FA means end of 2021.

He is out of contract next year though.

What happens at the end of next year? Can we still trade him or is it straight to the draft?

[old55 23,687]

2 minutes ago, Wolfturdo said:

What happens at the end of next year? Can we still trade him or is it straight to the draft?

Yes there are 4 alternatives

1. Re-sign with MFC

2. Trade

3. He goes in the draft

4. Quits football

[GCDee 3,199]

Has the Mitch Clark rule been abolished yet? 

Where Jesse just "retires" now then elects to sign with Freo next year? 

[Watson11 2,241]

49 minutes ago, Mac7 said:

Exactly!

Big bodied forward, coming into his prime, under contract, right as our premiership window opens! We hold all the cards here!!

If we don't get overs, or at least what we want, then he plays for the dees again next year and we have a tilt at the flag with +50 goals coming from him.

Still not a free agent next year so we have nothing to lose. 

 

 

I’m Jessie’s biggest fan and think he’ll  be a superstar.  Our forward line can function well with 3 key forwards just like Adelaide’s did last year.  Makes the 3rd matchup really hard.  But to just throw another issue in the mix, Preuss wouldn’t be coming to play VFL and if we get Preuss I can see Max playing less ruck time next year.  85% ruck time this year was too much.  With Preuss could change to 60% ruck time, 30% forward, 10% rest.  

[Dr.D 1,771]

Pick 4, 5 and Brayshaw? Wow, some posters on here are so delusional. 

Also, what part of Brayshaws game do people like or do they like him just because he is Angus' brother and was a high draft pick? Cerra looks like double the player.

[Sir Why You Little 37,120]

3 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

I’m Jessie’s biggest fan and think he’ll  be a superstar.  Our forward line can function well with 3 key forwards just like Adelaide’s did last year.  Makes the 3rd matchup really hard.  But to just throw another issue in the mix, Preuss wouldn’t be coming to play VFL and if we get Preuss I can see Max playing less ruck time next year.  85% ruck time this year was too much.  With Preuss could change to 60% ruck time, 30% forward, 10% rest.  

That’s the plan as i see it. Max rests up forward. There is your 3 tall forwards

he can take a pack mark, which is not a Hogan strength

[Demons11 7,046]

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

The problem for us is if Hogan wants to leave. we lose a lot of bargaining power. we can say we'll just keep him unless its a good deal but usually players end up going where they want to go.

If we want to get rid of him, I will lose a lot of faith in the FD. If T Mac goes down next year we are screwed. Weid is showing promise but is years away from dominating and question marks remain for me.  and we have no back up tall fwds

So you keep Hogan for insurance purposes?? Any team that loses a player will be hurt by it.  

[monoccular 17,571]

A couple of questions, just for consideration.

1/ Do we know the exact nature of Jesse's foot issue?  Has he / will he recover fully?

Could he be thinking along the lines of "is this a Mitch Clark type situation (regarding the injury, not the personal character)  ... Dees have been great for me, maybe I should get out and get them something whilst I can, as well as getting a nice fat contract from Freo even if it turns out to be only short term?"

2/ Do we know that "the incident" hasn't mentally scarred Gaff and will he be as good as he was before? 

Edited September 26, 2018 by monoccular

[Dr. Gonzo 24,271]

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

He's not a Free Agent until the end of 2021.

He was drafted in special mini draft in 2012 but was not on our senior list in 2013 and could only play for Casey because he was too young.

First season on our senior list was 2014.  8 years to qualify for FA means end of 2021.

He is out of contract next year though.

The year he played at Casey and not on our senior list counts as service towards FA. The question was asked about some of GC/GWS picks they took a year early who played in neafl the year before they joined the AFL and the answer from the AFL was that those years count towards FA.

[Lucifers Hero 40,314]

18 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

The year he played at Casey and not on our senior list counts as service towards FA. The question was asked about some of GC/GWS picks they took a year early who played in neafl the year before they joined the AFL and the answer from the AFL was that those years count towards FA.

WOW.  That is a bit of a surprise.  My bad for saying 2021 earlier in this thread that may have misled other posters.

So Jesse is an FA at the end of 2020.  That puts him in a tricky spot for contract renewal.  He can't extend for just one year to 2020 - too obviously his FA year and shows lack of commitment.  Can only imagine the club would (or has) asked for a long(er) term given our performance has clearly dispelled his prior doubts.

He is a proud and private young man and genuinely appreciate of all MFC have done to support him.  He will be very wealthy whatever he does.  Can't imagine just $$ will take him to Freo.  So it will be very Interesting watching this play out and see what Jessie really wants from football.

Edited September 26, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[Radar Detector 1,347]

3 hours ago, layzie said:

From a Freo point of view (which I know none of us care for) it seems like a pretty silly list decision to sell the farm for Hogan. They can have a crack next year when he's out of contract and save their picks to really build a good midfield core. Just seems like a Mitch Clark type move.

That tactic only works if Melbourne don’t manage to re-sign him in the meantime. If I was Freo I’d do ASAP so the situation is within my control.

[SFebes 4,884]

For discussion sake, if Jesse stays this year and decides he wants to go next year, what are we likely to get for him vs what we could this year?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,271]

14 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

WOW.  That is a bit of a surprise.  My bad for saying 2021 earlier in this thread that may have misled other posters.

So Jesse is an FA at the end of 2020.  That puts him in a tricky spot for contract renewal.  He can't extend for just one year to 2020 - too obviously his FA year and shows lack of commitment.  Can only imagine the club would (or has) asked for a long(er) term given our performance has clearly dispelled his prior doubts.

He is a proud and private young man and genuinely appreciate of all MFC have done to support him.  He will be very wealthy whatever he does.  Can't imagine just $$ will take him to Freo.  So it will be very Interesting watching this play out and see what Jessie really wants from football.

I definitely remember them saying that was the case however who knows - they may have changed rules on the fly. Shiel for example was taken as an underage recruit yet only qualifies for FA at the end of next year (first senior listed in 2012) but I don't know if that's just due to contract situation.

Edited September 26, 2018 by Dr. Gonzo

[Lord Travis 10,763]

2 minutes ago, SFebes said:

For discussion sake, if Jesse stays this year and decides he wants to go next year, what are we likely to get for him vs what we could this year?

Less. He won’t be a free agent, and we then lose the leverage of him being a contracted player. If we believe he will leave when his contract ends, we’re better off trading him now while he holds more value.

[Lord Travis 10,763]

The club will be prepared either way. While it would suck if a budding superstar wanted to leave, it’s not going to be the end of the world. We’ve proven we can be competitive without him, and we would be able to extract a lot of value from trading him.

Obviously I’d prefer him to stay as he’s a young star with some seriously good footy ahead of him, but it won’t be the end of the world if he leaves. 

[DubDee 26,114]

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

So you keep Hogan for insurance purposes?? Any team that loses a player will be hurt by it.  

No I want to keep him because he is one of our best players and I believe he will dominate the comp for the next 5 years

quality tall fwds are very hard to trade in or draft.  it would be massive loss

[buck_nekkid 6,043]

2 minutes ago, DubDee said:

No I want to keep him because he is one of our best players and I believe he will dominate the comp for the next 5 years

quality tall fwds are very hard to trade in or draft.  it would be massive loss

Agree.  The price would have to be right for MFC to entertain it.  If it happens, I want MFC to play super hard ball.

[Willmoy1947 4,140]

McCartney stood out for twelve months and went to Freo free as a bird, didn't he? 

[ManDee 7,215]

1 minute ago, willmoy said:

McCartney stood out for twelve months and went to Freo free as a bird, didn't he? 

And that worked well!

 

[SFebes 4,884]

2 minutes ago, willmoy said:

McCartney stood out for twelve months and went to Freo free as a bird, didn't he? 

Cam McCarthy? Yes he did, but that was GWS playing the hard game IIRC. Melbourne wouldn't be dumb enough, surely? He's actually fairly useless, that's why they want Hogan lol

Edited September 26, 2018 by SFebes

[Dee*ceiving 1,690]

The this year / next year thing can be nothing more than speculation. 

Jesse plays 22 games, kicks 60+ goals and makes AA, he gathers greater interest at the trade table and hence garners us a better return 

Jesse struggles with injury / form, kicks few goals and wears mounting pressure regarding his contract status and we'll have our backs against the wall trying to retain / move a player without being suitably compensated. 

Move him now if doing so makes us better in 2019. If not, Jesse stays in red and blue and let the cards fall where they do next year.