4 hours ago, Demons11 said:

So we have a ready made Key forward that we are trading for unproven key forward.

Great logic isn’t it. 

The King boys are the best tall prospects in the draft. 

Quoting about 1/10th of my post. Maybe read the rest of the post first before doing so....

By doing this we would free up cap space (To snare a Gaff or Shiel) and another top 5 draft pick.

http://viralglobalnews.org/afl-2018-the-jesse-hogan-conundrum-facing-melbourne-sam-weideman-tom-mcdonald-melbourne-forward-line-afl-finals-2018-afl-trades-jesse-hogan-fremantle/

 

 

“HOW COULD A TRADE WORK?

There’s no suggestion the Demons are actively looking to ship out Hogan, but if a ‘Godfather’ offer arrived — they’d be silly not to give it some thought. Of course, if Hogan is settled and doesn’t want to leave Victoria — then the discussions won’t get further than that.

Fremantle appear to have the more pressing need for a key forward and Hogan fits the bill perfectly. With Lachie Neale set for a move to Brisbane, the Dockers could possibly hold Pick 4 (Brisbane) and Pick 5.

GOING THE EXTRA MILE: Potential No. 1 pick not ‘satisfied’ yet 

Bailey Smith would be a very good fit for Melbourne. Photo: Michael Dodge/Getty Images.

For a player of Hogan’s calibre, there’s no doubting both picks would have to be in play — but the Dockers might be looking for something in return, perhaps a future first round pick — which Melbourne would be hoping to be between Pick 14-18 in 2019 or an early second round selection. The Demons currently hold Pick 32 in 2018, having traded their first round pick to Adelaide in return for Jake Lever.

If the Demons walked into draft night with Picks 4 and 5, Vic Metro MVP Bailey Smith would be the perfect fit into their midfield and could add some burst out of the centre of the ground. Lively South Australian small forward Izak Rankine could be considered, while key defender Ben King could help sure up their backline for years to come.”

 

24 minutes ago, olisik said:

Quoting about 1/10th of my post. Maybe read the rest of the post first before doing so....

By doing this we would free up cap space (To snare a Gaff or Shiel) and another top 5 draft pick.

Who says we have a cap issue? 

50 minutes ago, Sadler said:

Do you ever worry about running out of that incredible wisdom of yours?

I wouldn’t worry about him, he’s generally considered an idiot and not widely respected.

52 minutes ago, olisik said:

Quoting about 1/10th of my post. Maybe read the rest of the post first before doing so...

Reading and calmly analysing seems to be the last thing people do in this thread..

58 minutes ago, Sadler said:

Do you ever worry about running out of that incredible wisdom of yours?

No I have plenty to spare...

Cannot be bothered going back through the 46 previous pages to see if this has been raised previously but my response to an Essendon supporting mate today was.... "why the rush, I'd like to see a Demons side with any 3 at one time of  Weid, Tmac, Gawn, and Hogan on the ground. Occasionally we might have all 4 out there, wouldn't that be a nightmare for the opposition. Our side is not based on a stay at home forward or a ruck that only does ruck work. People need to stop buying into media BS and realise there may be a case to eventually trade someone to make for a stronger list but at the moment we have no idea where the ceiling is for most of the current list . In simple terms .. lets not throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

Jesse has the potential to become the best midfielder in the competition

Matthew Lloyd made an interesting comment on the Hogan discussion saying that Weideman would make an ideal CHB with Lever back to being the intercepting 2nd tall. I think this setup has merit and would not be surprised seeing it during pre season (obviously without Lever at this stage).

3 hours ago, olisik said:

 

Bailey Smith would be a very good fit for Melbourne. Photo: Michael Dodge/Getty Images.

For a player of Hogan’s calibre, there’s no doubting both picks would have to be in play — but the Dockers might be looking for something in return, perhaps a future first round pick — which Melbourne would be hoping to be between Pick 14-18 in 2019 or an early second round selection. The Demons currently hold Pick 32 in 2018, having traded their first round pick to Adelaide in return for Jake Lever.

If the Demons walked into draft night with Picks 4 and 5, Vic Metro MVP Bailey Smith would be the perfect fit into their midfield and could add some burst out of the centre of the ground. Lively South Australian small forward Izak Rankine could be considered, while key defender Ben King could help sure up their backline for years to come.”

 

He's a good looking fella isnt he? I hope he hasnt retained those boyish good looks by keeping his nose out of the incoming impact of a contest... like someone we know. Are there any draftees with squashed noses in the viney/selwood/wines mould? 

Edited September 11, 20186 yr by johndemonic

Just checking Jesse's resume - he was actually named as the All Australian under 18 CHB in 2012 - as an underage 17YO! So I don't think he would have any trouble filling that role for Melbourne. Occasional stints in the midfield notwithstanding....

9 hours ago, djr said:

Matthew Lloyd made an interesting comment on the Hogan discussion saying that Weideman would make an ideal CHB with Lever back to being the intercepting 2nd tall. I think this setup has merit and would not be surprised seeing it during pre season (obviously without Lever at this stage).

Paul Roos said On The Couch that Hogan could be one of the best centre half backs in the comp if he moved there.

6 hours ago, Buffalo said:

Just checking Jesse's resume - he was actually named as the All Australian under 18 CHB in 2012 - as an underage 17YO! So I don't think he would have any trouble filling that role for Melbourne. Occasional stints in the midfield notwithstanding....

named there, but certainly played games at u/18 champs at chf

like when pav played forward all year one year but was still named all oz full back

When Hogan struggled up fwd this year it was the midfields fault because the ball was being bombed in to him. Looking at the marks the Weed has taken over the last 3 weeks, they weren’t exactly lace out bullets. 

 

Jesse Hogan will be dying to play for us going forward, especially if we can make at least a Preliminary Final. 

If Hogan requests a trade then we should trade him. However if no such request is made then he falls into our group of untouchables.

Next year I expect Weideman to alternate between FF/CHF/2nd Ruck, Tommy Mc between the same positions + wing and Hogan between FF/CHF/Mid. Both Hogan & Tommy Mc could be used across CHB at times also. This will leave Frost & Lever as our key backs and Oscar will be the one who likely has to bide his time.

We'll have options galore!

On 9/11/2018 at 10:34 AM, Lucifer's Hero said:

Didn't a poster with generally good info say Sam W would be asking for a trade to Geelong as he couldn't get senior games?  The next week Jesse was injured. 

After Sam was selected the poster reported it was up to Sam to decide if he still wanted to go.  Let's hope not.

Garry may be barking up the wrong tree (nothing knew for him) for Geelong.

As an aside, with Sam's recent performances Geelong don't have enough picks/players to trade for him or Hogan!

Yes I did, Lucifer. I do not have any updated info but i would think Sam's thinking would have changed somewhat. As far as a Hogan trade goes, Freo may have 2 top ten picks this year, in what is widely regarded as a super draft. If Hogan was agreeable the club would be remiss to not consider this. 

 

If Hogan gets traded (good lord i hope not), what happens next year if either TMAC or Weed get injured?

We don't exactly have huge depth when it come to good KPF stocks. If Weed continues his development, we have 3 quality KPF's.

Unless Hogan demands a trade, he must stay.

1 hour ago, MadAsHell said:

If Hogan requests a trade then we should trade him. However if no such request is made then he falls into our group of untouchables.

Next year I expect Weideman to alternate between FF/CHF/2nd Ruck, Tommy Mc between the same positions + wing and Hogan between FF/CHF/Mid. Both Hogan & Tommy Mc could be used across CHB at times also. This will leave Frost & Lever as our key backs and Oscar will be the one who likely has to bide his time.

We'll have options galore!

Weirdly, listening to TMAC on Sen on Monday, he made mention that Oscar and himself were moving seperate ways with living together...and kind of seemed non committal about his brother... I wonder, just wonder as OMAC hasn't resigned, that he's received a juicy offer elsewhere... which, well ...fair play to him.

There is nothing to suggest this is remotely the case in reality...it was just where my head wandered to. 

Edited September 12, 20186 yr by Danelska

3 minutes ago, Danelska said:

Weirdly, listening to TMAC on Sen on Monday, he made mention that Oscar and himself were moving seperate ways with living together...and kind of seemed non committal about his brother... I wonder, just wonder as OMAC hasn't resigned, that he's received a juicy offer elsewhere... which, well ...fair play to him.

There is nothing to suggest this is remotely the case in reality...it was just where my head wandered to. 

You may be onto something Danelska. I think most of us expected Oscar to have signed by now, but so far nothing. Might be nothing in it, but who knows? Collingwood & Sydney are after key defenders.

I hope there's nothing in it and Oscar stays, but at least on the defensive end we have Petty & Keilty coming through.

The game moves and the AFL is looking at ways to get it back looking like it was 20 years ago with 6 6 and 6 set ups.  Hogan and McDonald are endurance beasts, you will need these guys going forward as hit up forwards to transition the ball from back to forward.  They will work hard up and back, I see Weiderman as more of a marking inside 50m forward.

I have no issues with the three in the same side three blokes around 196cm that are mobile and play different styles of games.  Would love to be in Spargo's shoes over the next 5 years they will either mark it or bring to ground.

 

26 minutes ago, drdrake said:

The game moves and the AFL is looking at ways to get it back looking like it was 20 years ago with 6 6 and 6 set ups.  Hogan and McDonald are endurance beasts, you will need these guys going forward as hit up forwards to transition the ball from back to forward.  They will work hard up and back, I see Weiderman as more of a marking inside 50m forward.

I have no issues with the three in the same side three blokes around 196cm that are mobile and play different styles of games.  Would love to be in Spargo's shoes over the next 5 years they will either mark it or bring to ground.

 

Good points.

But even in footy right now having a mobile tall who can mark the liong ball down the line is critical.

We are the number 1 long kicking side. Richmond second. Territory is now king. Our advantage over tigers is we have more players who can take a big pack mark from a long kick from defence. Just as tmac, maxy, hogan and weed do so well.

The critical thing is that the bigs are great runners and can cover ground. Like hogan and tmac. And unlike say hawkins, who is a one position player.

The dees are ahead of the curve. 

4 hours ago, MadAsHell said:

You may be onto something Danelska. I think most of us expected Oscar to have signed by now, but so far nothing. Might be nothing in it, but who knows? Collingwood & Sydney are after key defenders.

I hope there's nothing in it and Oscar stays, but at least on the defensive end we have Petty & Keilty coming through.

Have no fear.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/how-oscar-mcdonald-has-gone-ahead-of-his-brother-20180912-p503b9.html

11 hours ago, Thehardtackler said:

Jesse Hogan will be dying to play for us going forward, especially if we can make at least a Preliminary Final. 

No. Surely he would find it far more exciting to play the Ross Lyon game style at Freo. ???

2 hours ago, binman said:

Good points.

But even in footy right now having a mobile tall who can mark the liong ball down the line is critical.

We are the number 1 long kicking side. Richmond second. Territory is now king. Our advantage over tigers is we have more players who can take a big pack mark from a long kick from defence. Just as tmac, maxy, hogan and weed do so well.

The critical thing is that the bigs are great runners and can cover ground. Like hogan and tmac. And unlike say hawkins, who is a one position player.

The dees are ahead of the curve. 

It is fantastic to have four mobile talls who are really good even when the ball hits the ground.  Gives us so many options.  Any of Weed, TomMcD and Jesse could play deep forward, KPP forward (or back) or flank or wing. 

Such versatility. 

2 hours ago, monoccular said:

No. Surely he would find it far more exciting to play the Ross Lyon game style at Freo. ???

It is fantastic to have four mobile talls who are really good even when the ball hits the ground.  Gives us so many options.  Any of Weed, TomMcD and Jesse could play deep forward, KPP forward (or back) or flank or wing. 

Such versatility. 

Exactly. Add to that Weed and TMac are both excellent in the ruck at centre bounces and Jessie ok from throw ins. This allows Max (who is incredibly mobile and athletic for such a big fella) to play a kick behind the ball, 'rest' up forward, fill the hole down back or have a solid break on the bench to recharge his batteries (essentially giving us another mid/runner on the ground whilst he is on the bench).

(Giving Maxy more time on the bench might be important next year because surely we will want to mange Max's time a bit more next season given the load he carries and his importance to the side.)

On top of that the athleticism of our bigs and their ability to play in multiple positions makes us very unpredictable as they seem to be very fluid in terms of role and field postion at any given point in time. Hogan, Tmac and in the last few games Weed also go well up the ground to provide the marking target down the line

All this fluidity creates huge match up issues for opposition coaches and headaches for opponents. How many players are strong enough to compete one on one with Hogan or Tmac but also good enough athletically to run up and down the ground with them too. Sure they can 'hand off' but this creates confusion. it also creates space in our forward line.  

There were two great examples in the first quarter against the cats of the problems this fluidity and movement from our bigs causes.

The  first was the Harmes goal. We go down the line (in what is obviously a set play/team rule) to Tmac who takes a big contested mark. He kicks quickly to Hannan in the corridor (the 45 degree kick the commentators are talking about now). The forward line is completely open (in large part because Tmac has dragged his man up the ground) and Hannan hits Spargo who hits Harmes running into open space.

The second example was the final goal by Weed. Weed delivered the ball lace out from half forward to Melk - so about 70 metres from goal. He then runs a big arc and ends up unmarked behind the defenders (including Blicvacs) and takes an almost uncontested mark 5 metres out. They completely lost track of him and were defensively all over the place.

This versatility is huge weapon for us and a massive point of difference to the Tigers - or any other club for that matter. It means we have the tigers ferocity, territory and chaos style but can control possession more.

It also means there is no issue at all playing Hogan, Tmac and Weed in the same forward line. Not least because there would be very few occasions when all three were actually in the forward line together but also because of the incredible endurance and athleticism of Hogan and TMac. I can't wait.

Edited September 12, 20186 yr by binman