Dom Tyson - what's wrong?

[Wrecker45 3,378]

After reading the ins and outs thread a majority of people thought Dom Tyson should be on the chopping block.

The word coming out of the club is they really rate Joel Smith and he is pushing for selection. I imagine Dom Tyson would be in danger with that selection as a specialist midfielder who will never be in front of Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw or even Harmes for midfield time but is not really a back flanker.

I watched the replay paying particular attention to Dom after the negative comments on Demonland and I struggle to see what he did wrong. Infact, he created two goals with his kicking into the forward line.  

Am I missing something and Dom had a shocker? Please tell me where he went wrong. Is it Demonland groupthink? Or is he just the last player picked of a very, very good bunch?

[Gator 17,972]

He's been pushed out of his inside role on to a wing and he's just not a damaging wingmen or runner.  He's playing a role, but in my opinion he's about player no.22 in the side in that role.  He's better as an inside mid where he can pick up 25 disposals, but he's behind others now in there.

My gut feel is that it's not Joel Smith who'd take his spot, more-so Kennedy-Harris.

I actually think Kennedy-Harris can probably do that link up role slightly better than Tyson.  Just an opinion.

[Redleg 41,962]

15 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

After reading the ins and outs thread a majority of people thought Dom Tyson should be on the chopping block.

The word coming out of the club is they really rate Joel Smith and he is pushing for selection. I imagine Dom Tyson would be in danger with that selection as a specialist midfielder who will never be in front of Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw or even Harmes for midfield time but is not really a back flanker.

I watched the replay paying particular attention to Dom after the negative comments on Demonland and I struggle to see what he did wrong. Infact, he created two goals with his kicking into the forward line.  

Am I missing something and Dom had a shocker? Please tell me where he went wrong. Is it Demonland groupthink? Or is he just the last player picked of a very, very good bunch?

4 possessions to half time is a good start. He was also run off and pushed aside a few times.

 

[GCDee 3,200]

19 minutes ago, ProDee said:

He's been pushed out of his inside role on to a wing and he's just not a damaging wingmen or runner.  He's playing a role, but in my opinion he's about player no.22 in the side in that role.  He's better as an inside mid where he can pick up 25 disposals, but he's behind others now in there.

My gut feel is that it's not Joel Smith who'd take his spot, more-so Kennedy-Harris.

I actually think Kennedy-Harris can probably do that link up role slightly better than Tyson.  Just an opinion.

I agree here, however I think Goody would rather back in Tyson over JKH at the risk of ruining the team chemistry just a gut feel. 

I have been a bit a JKH basher however I thought he started to play that link role really well in the GWS game. 

[Watts the matter 1,235]

28 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

After reading the ins and outs thread a majority of people thought Dom Tyson should be on the chopping block.

The word coming out of the club is they really rate Joel Smith and he is pushing for selection. I imagine Dom Tyson would be in danger with that selection as a specialist midfielder who will never be in front of Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw or even Harmes for midfield time but is not really a back flanker.

I watched the replay paying particular attention to Dom after the negative comments on Demonland and I struggle to see what he did wrong. Infact, he created two goals with his kicking into the forward line.  

Am I missing something and Dom had a shocker? Please tell me where he went wrong. Is it Demonland groupthink? Or is he just the last player picked of a very, very good bunch?

Hawthorn looked to expose him and had Henderson pushing forward on him on multiple occasions. There was an instance in the first quarter where he was easily turned around inside 50, it was just poor defensive play. This may have been the time Gunston missed the simple pass. 

Dom is a decent player, but as a wingman he is a poor player.

 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,041]

Tyson seems to be the lowest in the pecking order for midfielders, so if Fritsch is moved to the wing to allow Joel Smith to be added to the team, Tyson's place is under threat. But I don't think Tyson is the only one who's position is at risk. Fritsch could also replace Hannan who hasn't really done enough to guarantee his spot, either. (I'm not suggesting Hannan should be dropped, only that if another tall defender is selected,  I think Hannan is at equal risk as Tyson of being omitted.) 

[scarlett 247]

Tyson is a average mid, played in his preferred position, injury free and consistent games hes an above average inside mid. He's not a bull like viney oliver and brayshaw, he's an extractor who scans for the best option and hits it most of the time. This can cause him to get caught some times or dispose under pressure. If he were playing inside he wouldnt be in our bottom 5, but others have pushed him to the wing where despite not being suited and never playing that role he still manages to be serviceable.  Unfortunately for Dom, if we have smith in it pushes fritsch from defence back up to the wing. Fritsch's value to the team has been greatest on the wing. So smith defensively upgrade on fritsch. Fritsch up grade on tyson. Fritsch could go forward in hannan or spargos spot but its not as much gained across the field.

[Gator 17,972]

25 minutes ago, GCDee said:

I agree here, however I think Goody would rather back in Tyson over JKH at the risk of ruining the team chemistry just a gut feel. 

I have been a bit a JKH basher however I thought he started to play that link role really well in the GWS game. 

I too suspect there'll be no change, but if there was I think it will be the one I mooted.

[Moonshadow 17,678]

I don't think hell get dropped, but his future position is not clear.

I quite like Tyson, I do agree he's a fair way back in the pecking order. If he's going to continue on the outside it's important that his decision making and disposal by foot is spot on. Often he waits for a 2nd or 3rd option only to be pinged, or he long bombs i50 because his disposal to a lead is poor. He's certainly not quick, but would like to see him in 2019 with a bigger tank for repeat running late in games.

He's also a reasonable mark for his size.

Edited September 19, 2018 by Moonshadow

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

We need to get Fritsch back on to a wing as he plays that role better than Tyson and he struggles at times in the backline.

I feel like we also need another lock-down defender.

[Redleg 41,962]

4 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

We need to get Fritsch back on to a wing as he plays that role better than Tyson and he struggles at times in the backline.

I feel like we also need another lock-down defender.

Unless I am mistaken, Fritsch's breakout year at Casey last year was as a goal scoring, floating half forward/forward pocket.

I understand his use since Lever went out, but eventually, hope he returns to the forward line, where his value can be maximised.

When or if he gets his form back, I think Hunt will be a better winger than Tyson and that Billy already is. Baker could be another to challenge for that spot.

[DubDee 26,317]

I thought Tyson played well against the cats and ok against the hawks.  he is an experienced, mature body and adds value to the team especially in a big final.  a lot more value than Smith or JKH would add imo

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,788]

29 minutes ago, scarlett said:

Tyson is a average mid, played in his preferred position, injury free and consistent games hes an above average inside mid. He's not a bull like viney oliver and brayshaw, he's an extractor who scans for the best option and hits it most of the time. This can cause him to get caught some times or dispose under pressure. If he were playing inside he wouldnt be in our bottom 5, but others have pushed him to the wing where despite not being suited and never playing that role he still manages to be serviceable.  Unfortunately for Dom, if we have smith in it pushes fritsch from defence back up to the wing. Fritsch's value to the team has been greatest on the wing. So smith defensively upgrade on fritsch. Fritsch up grade on tyson. Fritsch could go forward in hannan or spargos spot but its not as much gained across the field.

I like this analysis, and is echoed by a few others, and is the only real justification for Tyson out that I can see.

It does however rely upon the premise that Smith is a strong back OR half-back option and I'm not convinced. I agree he's got potential and has shown a bit in some games, but also had some poor ones (St Kilda loss springs to mind). Ultimately Joel has only played 7 senior games this season and been missing for the last 5 games

I think Tyson has been serviceable across his 16 games, better in the last few than season average given the importance of the games. This and his experience is going hold his spot for mine.

[Demon3 2,541]

I rate Dom, seems like I'm in the minority. Thought his footy was really solid up until his arm injury. 

He stays in for me and good sides will have depth, challenging players to hold their spot.. i have no dramas with that.

[layzie 34,340]

I agree Fritsch would be better for that wing spot right now. Being pushed out of his preferred inside spot has had a predictable effect really. He was not terrible though and should survive unless Smith is coming in.

[scarlett 247]

Tyson is a better footballer and more influential than our bottom six. Its just he isnt in the top few for his position which means he's playing a different role. Now he's spot in the 22 is under threat because other players might be more skilled for that role. If he drops out this week and we lose he might ask for a trade, if we win through and he isn't in the gf 22, it would be pretty hard to take being a player of doms quality. 

[DemonWA 3,940]

Dom Tyson is a very solid player. I also dont understand the hate. Perhaps because he has a bit of that laconic swagger and never seems to spint 100 percent with ball in hand. 

No changes for me. If Fritch has been trusted to play in the backline until now i dont know why we would bring im Smith for the prelim

[joeboy 3,174]

Tyson - prolific but wasteful 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

46 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Unless I am mistaken, Fritsch's breakout year at Casey last year was as a goal scoring, floating half forward/forward pocket.

I understand his use since Lever went out, but eventually, hope he returns to the forward line, where his value can be maximised.

When or if he gets his form back, I think Hunt will be a better winger than Tyson and that Billy already is. Baker could be another to challenge for that spot.

Fritsch started with us as a forward where he was good, he went to a wing where he was great and now he's filling a need down back where he has been adequate.

[Gator 17,972]

27 minutes ago, DemonWA said:

Dom Tyson is a very solid player. I also dont understand the hate.

I never understand why people exaggerate like this.  It's just a stupid comment.

 

14 minutes ago, joeboy said:

Tyson - prolific but wasteful 

He's not "prolific" or particularly damaging in his wing role, which is the issue.

As an inside mid he's quite serviceable.  He's been pushed out by Brayshaw.

[joeboy 3,174]

Yes he often IS prolific and racks up significant possession numbers, but the next part of the process leaves a lot to be desired

[chook fowler 19,694]

Too slow is one of the main issues - gets caught with the ball a lot and then gives away a free or turns it over.

[praha 11,253]

he has shocking awareness, no peripheral vision, and often passes up the first and/or best option because he understates the urgency and pressure being applied around him. Watch the game again. I counted three Hawthorn goals that came as a result of a posession chain he was involved in, where he gave off a hospital handpass or kick, leading to a turnover/tackle/stoppage. Nathan Jones does it as well but can at least have an influence.

[hells bells 2,023]

I’d make the Smith for Tyson change.  I worry about the WCE forward line leg speed against our backs.

Jetta, Salem, OMac, Lewis aren’t fast.  

Smith is quick and can play tall.  I like the idea of Fritsch on the wing, I think he is dangerous drifting up forward.  

Unfortunately that means Dom misses out. 

[Chook 15,023]

If I were Dom Tyson, I would be desperate to get a trade at the end of this year. He will never be anything other than a medium-to-good inside midfielder and we have heaps of that type already — almost all of whom are well in front of him.