Changes v Hawthorn - Semi Final

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 4,083]

9 minutes ago, 000 said:

We also have Cam Pederson if we need some height and a strong body.

nah we are right

[kev martin 9,891]

3 hours ago, DV8 said:

They're a good side. 

Under the radar,,,,  the Hawks this year.

Not sure if the game they have will stand up in finals. They rely on outside runners.

Contested football is what we are about.

They want to have freedom with their ball movement and are capable of it.

Their coach may change their style and being so experienced at the pointy end will have something for us.

Good test for us. Expect a tighter game then last night.

 

Edited September 8, 2018 by 000

[daisycutter 29,616]

2 hours ago, monoccular said:

 

"no selwood staging charges? i'm surprised - really?"      

 No surprise whatsoever for me.

 

sarcasm not your strong suite, mono?

[dee-tox 4,835]

6 hours ago, deanox said:

 

 

I honestly don't understand anyone suggesting Garlett or Hunt. Neither have shown anything at AFL or VFL this year, and although they add an offensive weapon in speed and Garlett offers the potential for high quality goal sneak finishing, their worst drags us down terribly as they leave gaping holes in our structure.

 

 

Jeffy kicked four and laid eight or nine tackles last week, right?

[DeeSpencer 25,706]

Joel Smith is the one I'm interested in, especially with an eye to the Eagles if we do make it.

He comes in, we push Fritsch to a wing/ forward flank, rotating with Vanders mostly like. Then have to find someone to go out.

Spargo's two way running is great. It's worth more than possessions. He gets to the right spots that helps his team mates do likewise, both in attack and defending.

Thought Hannan was the weakest link up forward but he kicked the sealer. 

Smith in to the 23, work out who goes out later for now.

 

[DubDee 25,862]

Fristch is playing beautifully down back, his reading of the play and composure are amazing for a first year player

we are playing so well this last month.   forced changed only

[mog 58]

Based purely on the fact we are 13-3 when Spargo plays, and 2-5 in the games he's missed, Spargo has to play. 

So no change

 

 

 

[No10 461]

6 hours ago, Jaded said:

I honestly don’t trust Kent’s body. He is constantly injured. Imagine taking him into a game and he goes down again in the first few minutes. It’s too risky. 

I don’t think he’ll play, but that’s harsh on Kent on this occasion.

He went too hard at the contest and didn’t protect himself enough. It was his desire to put his body on the line and win the ball.

I think Goody holds players like Kent, VDB and both Smiths in high regard despite their injury setbacks.

[Sideshow Bob 2,386]

17 hours ago, monoccular said:

Agree the only change that may be considered could be JKH for Spartacus, though I don''t really think so.

AND since you raise the issue, how about RDB sitting with his old arch rival, Murray Weideman cheering on young Sam to even greater heights.

RDB and Weid have been best mates for a couple of decades now. one of the big reasons Our Weid was super happy to be coming to Demonland

[Watson11 2,240]

9 hours ago, 000 said:

Not sure if the game they have will stand up in finals. They rely on outside runners.

Contested football is what we are about.

They want to have freedom with their ball movement and are capable of it.

Their coach may change their style and being so experienced at the pointy end will have something for us.

Good test for us. Expect a tighter game then last night.

 

Agree.  It is on our terms.  The only test for us is can we continue to pressure inside 50, and shut down the transition out.  If we do that like the last few weeks we will win no matter what our goal kicking accuracy is, and win easily if we are better around goals. That was what was so good against Geelong.  We didn’t play that well for a large part of the game, but unlike earlier in the season our bad quarters we pretty much halved. 

[Jaded No More 68,915]

6 hours ago, No10 said:

I don’t think he’ll play, but that’s harsh on Kent on this occasion.

He went too hard at the contest and didn’t protect himself enough. It was his desire to put his body on the line and win the ball.

I think Goody holds players like Kent, VDB and both Smiths in high regard despite their injury setbacks.

I’m not having a dig at Kent at all. I’m just pointing out that his body is unreliable and it’s a big risk to take him into a final.

[Redleg 40,924]

No change unless there is an injury.

Stratton is a huge out for the Hawks.

[Adam The God 30,256]

Fritsch's game, much like his past month or so, was error-riddled again. I'm sure he was at one point, but I can't remember him being clean with the footy on Friday. Seems overawed by playing in the back half to me, but without Lever, he is needed to intercept and kick. Let's hope he remains calmer this week.

And no change for me. Bring the same pressure and kick straighter and we comfortably account for the scum.

[Adam The God 30,256]

On 9/8/2018 at 8:55 AM, greenmachine said:

no change, no stratton for hawkes i really like our chances here

 

My recollection of our 2016 win was that Stratton missed that game too.

[forever demons 2,220]

if it ante broken dont fix it might need changes for wc game on their heap

 

 

 

 

[Adam The God 30,256]

21 hours ago, deanox said:

That 5 is low imo and for the reasons they mentioned: when Spargo gets the ball he adds value by improving our position.  His disposal is always to advantage which means with only afew touches he can have significant impact.  3 direct score assists is evidence of that, and he also was involved in another scoring chain,  mean 4 of 9 disposals were part of a score. Only 8 players had more score involvements than him, and they all had 15+ disposals (4 had 20+).

I think he'll stay because he creates. 

Spargo corrals and tackles well in our forward 50 too. Those that want Jeffy to come in haven't watched Jeff properly. In big games he wilts. In Goodwin teams he's not appropriate because he's too soft at the contest. 

And some saying JKH should come in, are you serious? The bloke can't handle the heat in the regular season. He would crap himself in a final. And he certainly doesn't bring any more pace than Charlie.

Edited September 9, 2018 by A F

[rjay 24,928]

22 minutes ago, A F said:

Fritsch's game, much like his past month or so, was error-riddled again.

He had 12 touches with 100% disposal efficiency 'A F' plus 5 tackles not sure what you are seeing here.

Looked very composed and safe with ball in hands to me...

[Deemania since 56 6,636]

On 9/8/2018 at 11:03 AM, big_red_fire_engine said:

I suspect we will go no change but I would tempted to bring in more speed with Smith/Hunt or JKH/Kent if he recovers. Would give us more flex as to where we play Fritsch. Tyson and Spargo the most likely if one goes. The thought of Tyson or Jones on a wing against Isaac Smith makes my skin crawl. 

Yes, having been at the game Friday night, I watched carefully to the contributions and team contributions of the selected list. Other than to say that it was a great and co-operative performance, the frequency of the contributions (whilst all very good to excellent with only a few lesser examples), were apparent. This was useful, as it became obvious we had this game by the end of the first quarter, as expected. 

It enabled me to review for the game next week against the Whoreform team, simultaneously enjoying the negation of the Catty Puts. 

I'd reckon:

Tyson out - not able to contribute consistently and slow in the congestion moments to deliver,  so often randomly

Fritsch - half-used across the game. Kicking and positioning were good but often ignored as a backman by his teammates. Does not appear to be a backman and consequently, his skillset is half wasted with opportunities reduced as a last-resort avenue. Would do - and can do - far better with his terrific attributes on a forward assignment - possibly flanking or in-close groundwork close to goal. Optional target for marking and we need his kicking skills for improved scoring chances. Could surprise the hell out of the Squawks' defenders, I'd reckon, too

Spargo out - great in an open assist passage or two by hand and foot, but easily kept aside across much of the game by ordinary-bodied opponents, and the learning curve/physical development became detractors to his game. He's got it all, though, for next year.

Weideman - played better than ever seen before with talent, confidence, intent. Big change in my own opinion of him and it seems September is his month to show it and shine.

Jetta - great efforts again, great effectiveness, great linkages. Hope his shoulder (?) is fine by next game. One of our consistent best

Lewis - terrific game, leadership, examples ... highly useful in the 2nd/3rd quarters stemming the Catty Puts' best efforts to stay in the game

Best Players: Gawn, Harmes, Clarrie, Brayshaw, Viney with apologies to Hibberd and Jetta. 

Sat in the Ponsford Stand behind the midline of the goals. Sat just behind a Geelong crew so I could hear all of the wise comments across the game. After the first ten minutes, they were all shattered without any signs of an improving outlook. Big Bill Brownless was there; he spent most of the night with his head between his knees in abject misery.  

Smith, Hunt, JKH and/or Kent might be good acquisitions for the Whoreform game, but where? We need two more 'burners' and another mobile backman.

Edited September 9, 2018 by Deemania since 56

[Adam The God 30,256]

18 hours ago, Dappa Dan said:

Past glories I spose. In Garlett's case, he has played great footy in his career, and for us as recently as last year when some had him in AA calculations. Hunt likewise, if we're serious about blooding youth they would think about exposing him, even though he's out of form. I had him as a core player coming into this season... I actually have Smith not too far off that point too.

But yeah, this isn't a making up the numbers thing... win next weekend (which we absolutely should back ourselves to do), and we're in a prelim.

I think that's a really poor coaching move. You don't blood a young player in a final for the sake of it, who has been horribly out of form. Too much risk of mentally scarring a player when they fail in a final, having come in with no form.

[Adam The God 30,256]

23 minutes ago, rjay said:

He had 12 touches with 100% disposal efficiency 'A F' plus 5 tackles not sure what you are seeing here.

Looked very composed and safe with ball in hands to me...

I'll go back and rewatch a second time, because I counted at least 5 times he fumbled and put team mates under pressure. But here probably highlights why the DE stat is the most misleading stat in the game.

Edited September 9, 2018 by A F

[DV8 2,271]

13 hours ago, 000 said:

Not sure if the game they have will stand up in finals. They rely on outside runners.

Contested football is what we are about.

They want to have freedom with their ball movement and are capable of it.

Their coach may change their style and being so experienced at the pointy end will have something for us.

Good test for us. Expect a tighter game then last night.

 

The chaos ball inside our backhalf is what concerns me; against Hawks and Tigers.

[Demon17 5,188]

On 9/8/2018 at 11:33 AM, big_red_fire_engine said:

I suspect we will go no change but I would tempted to bring in more speed with Smith/Hunt or JKH/Kent if he recovers. Would give us more flex as to where we play Fritsch. Tyson and Spargo the most likely if one goes. The thought of Tyson or Jones on a wing against Isaac Smith makes my skin crawl. 

Great call.  Could be our biggest risk and needs attention in selection. Tyson worked well as an extractor on Friday but was on the wing at a couple of centre bounces.  He and Jones can't play that role next week. Need a fast stopper here.

[Willmoy1947 4,086]

21 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

In our last two grand final appearances, we had bugger all chance because our opponents were masters of physical intimidation.

Now the shoe is on the other foot and it's beautiful.

GO DEMONS!!!

....and i love Razer....till Friday at least.....

[Satyriconhome 10,878]

1 hour ago, rjay said:

He had 12 touches with 100% disposal efficiency 'A F' plus 5 tackles not sure what you are seeing here.

Looked very composed and safe with ball in hands to me...

He is seeing what he normally sees, a completely different game to the rest of us, put him on ignore, you won't miss much

Fritsch is one player who looked composed all game

[Vipercrunch 2,827]

I’m watching the replay of the GWS game now. JFK was very unlucky to be dropped. Tackled very well and was clean. It seems the coaches prefer Spargo, but I don’t. I think we’ll be a better side this Friday night with JFK in and Spargo out.