Changes v Hawthorn - Semi Final

[kev martin]

34 minutes ago, DV8 said:

The chaos ball inside our backhalf is what concerns me; against Hawks and Tigers.

Agree, they will be kicking for territory more than side ways movement because of final strategies.

Though I think we zone well. Sometimes we all go for the ball at once with the ball getting away from our control and no one down to mop up. With there small crumbers we could have problem.

Hoping big game and cohesion from Jets, Fritsch and Salem to stop their crumbers and snaps.

When we get it in our backline there can be chaotic ball use. O'mac and Frosty get me laughing with their "creativity". 

Edited September 9, 2018 by 000

[kev martin]

3 hours ago, Watson11 said:

Agree.  It is on our terms.  The only test for us is can we continue to pressure inside 50, and shut down the transition out.  If we do that like the last few weeks we will win no matter what our goal kicking accuracy is, and win easily if we are better around goals. That was what was so good against Geelong.  We didn’t play that well for a large part of the game, but unlike earlier in the season our bad quarters we pretty much halved. 

I don't agree, I thought we had a well rounded 4 quarter game. Just missed too many goals.

I hope we can snap alot better and get some composure when in front.

[Watson11]

1 minute ago, 000 said:

I don't agree, I thought we had a well rounded 4 quarter game. Just missed too many goals.

I hope we can snap alot better and get some composure when in front.

Maybe I should have been clearer.  We didn’t play well offensively for large parts of the game.  4 qtr defensive effort though.  

[DV8]

8 minutes ago, 000 said:

Agree, they will be kicking for territory more than side ways movement because of final strategies.

Though I think we zone well. Sometimes we all go for the ball at once with the ball getting away from our control and no one down to mop up. With there small crumbers we could have problem.

Hoping big game and cohesion from Jets, Fritsch and Salem to stop their crumbers and snaps.

When we get it in our backline there can be chaotic ball use. O'mac and Frosty get me laughing with their "creativity ". 

Were Ok against structured offenses, but mosquito fleets break structures down.

This is why I've been banging on for a few years now, about recruiting some quick hard smalls. 

Spargo's one.  Salem isn't too bad for a flanker,, developing. JKH is handy, but not quite there in speed imo?

 

I think we need 4 quick hard smalls in any ideal 22...  not counting our Nevs and Salems. at this stage

[kev martin]

20 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Were Ok against structured offenses, but mosquito fleets break structures down.

This is why I've been banging on for a few years now, about recruiting some quick hard smalls. 

Spargo's one.  Salem isn't too bad for a flanker,, developing. JKH is handy, but not quite there in speed imo?

 

I think we need 4 quick hard smalls in any ideal 22...  not counting our Nevs and Salems. at this stage

I prefer acceleration. That 5-10 meter explosion can get you to space then composure. Flat speed is good for the chase down but suprise can also be effective. So I would take footy brain over athleticism.

Don't get me wrong speed players make lots of goals, can stop goals, gets to contest, stops and creates overlaps and can break open games.

I love the explosive movement. Fastest from standing start over the 10 meters for me.

Edited September 9, 2018 by 000

[DV8]

16 minutes ago, 000 said:

I prefer acceleration. That 5-10 meter explosion can get you to space then composure. Flat speed is good for the chase down but suprise can also be effective. So I would take footy brain over athleticism.

Don't get me wrong speed players make lots of goals, can stop goals, gets to contest, stops and creates overlaps and can break open games.

I love the explosive movement. Fasted over 10 meters for me.

Yeah, that's what I interpret, when I think smalls.  That break away pace to gap opponents... and also equally important, is the agility to turn direction quickly, on a 6pence.  -  (see Spargo)  Changes direction of play, spots targets in good positions.

He upsets the flow of Oppo' defenders trying to cover us,,,  by changing the angle of the ball entry, going into F50.

Edited September 9, 2018 by DV8

[Dappa Dan]

3 hours ago, A F said:

I think that's a really poor coaching move. You don't blood a young player in a final for the sake of it, who has been horribly out of form. Too much risk of mentally scarring a player when they fail in a final, having come in with no form.

To each their own. I don't see it that way, that he's out of form. Spargo's been good. Earned his spot, I think.

Unless you're meaning Hunt? In which case, yes, Hunt in would be a mistake.

[Thehardtackler]

No change. 

[nosoupforme]

Garlett  could be an x factor can chase is quick can kick goals and has the smarts has been ok in his last two games at Casey. Booted 4 against a side .that we lost to recently in Willy, The selectors will have to suss him out to see if he is switched on for such a big game.

Wait and see.  JKH is certainly a chance as well. Due respect for Charlie S, l wouldn't begrudge him if he held his spot. IMO.

In Garlett,  or JKH 

Out.  C Spargo.

[DeeSpencer]

4 hours ago, A F said:

Fritsch's game, much like his past month or so, was error-riddled again. I'm sure he was at one point, but I can't remember him being clean with the footy on Friday. Seems overawed by playing in the back half to me, but without Lever, he is needed to intercept and kick. Let's hope he remains calmer this week.

And no change for me. Bring the same pressure and kick straighter and we comfortably account for the scum.

What? I'd prefer him to be a stronger tackler and he can get caught in tight congestion, but in any kind of space he weaves out of traffic and uses the ball perfectly. Probably had the 2 best kicks of the night as well. One straight up the middle, another going back in to the corridor. 

Under really physical pressure he lacks the experience and strength to get out of trouble sure, but otherwise he was one of the few who was composed and not rushing. Salem and Oliver were rushing early, Tracc was spudding it up and Gus was typically for him burning the ball with shonky kicks.

I'd prefer Fritsch on the wing and Smith in the team but Smith's errors with the ball are going to be far worse and I don't quite know who to take out.

[rjay]

On 9/8/2018 at 11:33 AM, big_red_fire_engine said:

I suspect we will go no change but I would tempted to bring in more speed with Smith/Hunt or JKH/Kent if he recovers. Would give us more flex as to where we play Fritsch. Tyson and Spargo the most likely if one goes. The thought of Tyson or Jones on a wing against Isaac Smith makes my skin crawl. 

Smith is probably their most dangerous ball user and sets up a lot for them. I wouldn't be surprised to see Harmes go to him at stages of the game.

Jones has taken Mitchell (not as damaging as Smith but deserves some respect) before so may do it again. They may run a few through Mitchell like Jones, Viney and at times Harmes.

Burgoine needs the Ablett treatment, he's starting to look his age and needs to feel it.

I can't see either Jones or Tyson running with Smith

[London Demon]

This game is more than a chance to progress to a prelim. We talk of hoodoos? This is the biggest of them all. We have been humiliated by Hawthorn time after  time  after time again. Literally  for decades. This is the opportunity for redemption and revenge. Sure in public put out the usual bland platitudes about what a great club they are, how we’ll have to play at a top to have a chance etc etc. But in the inner sanctum focus on how Hawthorn in general and Clarkson in particular, has made us  suffer, made us a total laughing stock. Come the bounce next Friday we tear into them with total ruthlessness.

[A F]

2 hours ago, Dappa Dan said:

To each their own. I don't see it that way, that he's out of form. Spargo's been good. Earned his spot, I think.

Unless you're meaning Hunt? In which case, yes, Hunt in would be a mistake.

Yep. I mean Hunt.

[Dappa Dan]

1 minute ago, A F said:

Yep. I mean Hunt.

Ah. Yeah nah, he's way too out of form. I think what I meant was that you'd toy with the idea, as he has played some great footy with us and may be seen as a future core player, but in the end, you just can't.

Makes me think, actually, about the guys we have who are missing finals footy. Hogan probably the big one as he's a massive part of our future. Lever as well, though he's played in a few finals as recently as last year so it's not as pressing. Stretch and Kent the only other potential best 22 players who you'd want getting the experience. Not too bad, really...

[DeeSpencer]

52 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Ah. Yeah nah, he's way too out of form. I think what I meant was that you'd toy with the idea, as he has played some great footy with us and may be seen as a future core player, but in the end, you just can't.

Makes me think, actually, about the guys we have who are missing finals footy. Hogan probably the big one as he's a massive part of our future. Lever as well, though he's played in a few finals as recently as last year so it's not as pressing. Stretch and Kent the only other potential best 22 players who you'd want getting the experience. Not too bad, really...

Corey Maynard's another who would've played more games this year and maybe even developed and stayed in the side. At worst he would've been very handy for Casey right now!

[Dappa Dan]

Just now, DeeSpencer said:

Corey Maynard's another who would've played more games this year and maybe even developed and stayed in the side. At worst he would've been very handy for Casey right now!

Yeah... I guess I've showed my hand there. Not a big Maynard guy, myself. Not in the current list, I guess.

[A F]

Just watched the replay again.

Fritsch's game wasn't bad, so I'll take that back, but he certainly showed he was overawed at times, with a few fumbles that were costly.

1st Quarter:
* Drops an contested mark and puts everyone under pressure at 4.52 to go in the first quarter.
* Slips over with 2.40 to go in the first quarter. Lays a tackle but doesn't impede. Fortunately, ANB is covering.
* By the end of the first quarter, he's taken a nice intercept mark and shown poise to open up the game with a neat kick into the corridor.

2nd Quarter:
* nice neat kick to start the second quarter.
* another effective handball.
* at 13.52 to go, ball watches instead of intercept marking, causing Lewis to hold on to Kelly. Free-kick, Geelong get their first goal and momentum. Should have been away with it.
* a get out kick on his right that works for McDonald. Decent effort.
* 3.07 to go and he let's Kelly mark and run off him, which leads to the free-kick to Menzel that becomes a poster to Geelong after Menegola takes the advantage.
* does well with a handball in the final minute.

3rd Quarter:
* fumbles at 18.25, puts Gawn under pressure, who kicks it out on the full. This leads to the Hawkins goal.
* at 9.42 remaining he punches back towards two Geelong defenders who would have goaled. Fortunately, Frost is rightly awarded a free-kick for being pushed in the back.

4th Quarter:
* a nice handball out of trouble.
* fumbles but gets lucky when Kelly gets him high. And an example of how misleading that 100% DE stat is, his next kick goes to a contest and Geelong bring it back. Yet they've called that an effective disposal.
* a short careful kick to VDB that VDB then turns over and the commentators claim the play is too slow. It leads to Tuohy's goal.
* makes up for the last slow play with his next kick that opens up the game in the corridor.
* panics and gets lucky. Is tackled and drops it but not called holding the ball.

One thing I did get from re-watching this was just how good ANB was. He was everywhere. His tackling and chasing set the tone in every quarter.

[picket fence]

On ‎9‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 8:29 AM, ProperDee said:

Tyson deserves to be dropped but won’t be. Spargo only fair last night but maybe the occasion got to him. If it’s a dry track against the Hawks, Jeffy must come in to calculations. Yeah, some will say he is out of form but on a dry, spacious ground he is more of a concern to opposition coaches than Spargo.

Yeeeep we cannot carry Spargo as he doesn't kick goals.

Pity But Jeffy definitely needs to come in!

[picket fence]

23 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

This is no easy one

hawks have class on every line 

So do we

OLIVER, GUS, VINEY, HARMES, …..Hawks midfield pales comparison to ours, 

They should be [censored] themselves!

[picket fence]

3 hours ago, nosoupforme said:

Garlett  could be an x factor can chase is quick can kick goals and has the smarts has been ok in his last two games at Casey. Booted 4 against a side .that we lost to recently in Willy, The selectors will have to suss him out to see if he is switched on for such a big game.

Wait and see.  JKH is certainly a chance as well. Due respect for Charlie S, l wouldn't begrudge him if he held his spot. IMO.

In Garlett,  or JKH 

Out.  C Spargo.

Yep Jeffy X Factor just what you need in finals!

[DeeSpencer]

27 minutes ago, A F said:

* a short careful kick to VDB that VDB then turns over and the commentators claim the play is too slow. It leads to Tuohy's goal.
* makes up for the last slow play with his next kick that opens up the game in the corridor.
 

The commentators are unsurprisingly wrong there. It was clear we were slowing the game down as much as possible when we had possession in the last quarter. Chipping it around to get to the wing. Vanders play on (to Jetta I think) was just crazy. 5 goals up there's no need to take risks

[george_on_the_outer]

4 hours ago, nosoupforme said:

Garlett  could be an x factor can chase is quick can kick goals and has the smarts has been ok in his last two games at Casey.

 

No he hasn't.  Will not chase, will not put pressure on the defense to keep the ball in the forward line.  There is a good reason he is already playing at Casey....and not the first time this year.

[djr]

22 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Yep Jeffy X Factor just what you need in finals!

I think Hannan is our x-factor. 

[DemonLad5]

No one should be dropped, but look at Hawthorns forward line..

Roughead, Nash, Ceglar, Gunston and potentially Schoenmakers. That’s 4, or possibly 5 talls

Would be very stiff, but don’t be surprised to see

IN: J.Smith

OUT: Tyson

[Thehardtackler]

I think Goodwin will make no change to maintain the camaraderie of the same 22 heading out again. I think injury is the only thing that will force him to change a winning formula.