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Changes v Hawthorn - Semi Final

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Out: Traditional strip

In: Royal Blue

OK I know we could wear the navy, but as the “away” team do you think we’ll mix it up for merch sales?

Red back is another possibility;  even indigenous or 160 year???

 

ps would love to see indigenous  

 

      

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    2 hours ago, Allus Monk said:

    Out: Traditional strip

    In: Royal Blue

    OK I know we could wear the navy, but as the “away” team do you think we’ll mix it up for merch sales?

    Red back is another possibility;  even indigenous or 160 year???

     

    ps would love to see indigenous  

     

          

    Nah, traditional.

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    9 hours ago, Allus Monk said:

    Out: Traditional strip

    In: Royal Blue

    OK I know we could wear the navy, but as the “away” team do you think we’ll mix it up for merch sales?

    Red back is another possibility;  even indigenous or 160 year???

     

    ps would love to see indigenous  

     

          

    There are lots of jumpers I would hate to see us wear on a grand final day, but I'd be happy to wear the indiginous strip,  as I think it's a beauty!

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    15 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

    All pertinently true, Skuit. You'd think that point 1, point 2, point 3, point 4 could be easily and quickly and widely recognised by a skilled FD with amendments and immediate development or strategies applied. Are we locked into a FD and coaching staff that live in a world of denial? If we see these issues for the finals, why can the FD not see these and respond? I see point 5 as being more complex, multidimensional and 'risk-vulnerable' but for other virtues, almost tolerable (eg: Vanders might be a little slow but his play slows all competitors in contact with him; Jones is slowing noticeably but runs to space well to 2nd-play the moment, usually effectively; Tyson just needs to be dropped; Lewis is slow, too, but strategically justified in current weeks of his performances).

    I think you slightly missed my point Deemania. 

    While I would love to see Fritsch released with the introduction of Smith, our back-line depends heavily on cohesion, and last week we kept a team which had scored a combined 300 points in its last two outings to just 46 points. The possible gains are outweighed by the potential disruption. 

    Same with Spargo. He doesn't offer a great deal right now in terms of goals, but, while I'm not as down on Garlett as others, our forward line and overall game-plan is dependent on a concerted all-round effort to apply pressure - and if Garlett doesn't go when it's his turn, the one weak chink can undermine the whole operation. 

    Ditto my other points. I've been calling for a settled line-up bar injury since around our encounter with Fremantle - where I felt we'd just about got the balance right - and even though I care very little for JKH, I would have been happy for him to have retained his position had Hannan not come up.  

     

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    It would be tough for the selectors to make an argument to change anyone from last week. Only exception I see is if someone has pulled up sore. 

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    4 hours ago, Skuit said:

    I think you slightly missed my point Deemania. 

    While I would love to see Fritsch released with the introduction of Smith, our back-line depends heavily on cohesion, and last week we kept a team which had scored a combined 300 points in its last two outings to just 46 points. The possible gains are outweighed by the potential disruption. 

    Same with Spargo. He doesn't offer a great deal right now in terms of goals, but, while I'm not as down on Garlett as others, our forward line and overall game-plan is dependent on a concerted all-round effort to apply pressure - and if Garlett doesn't go when it's his turn, the one weak chink can undermine the whole operation. 

    Ditto my other points. I've been calling for a settled line-up bar injury since around our encounter with Fremantle - where I felt we'd just about got the balance right - and even though I care very little for JKH, I would have been happy for him to have retained his position had Hannan not come up.  

     

    Got'cha, Skuit ... understand your points much better. I am not sure that we disagree, all seems in cohesive thoughts. Thanks for the revision of my own thoughts. Carna Dees!

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    19 hours ago, Allus Monk said:

    Out: Traditional strip

    In: Royal Blue

    OK I know we could wear the navy, but as the “away” team do you think we’ll mix it up for merch sales?

    Red back is another possibility;  even indigenous or 160 year???

     

    ps would love to see indigenous  

     

          

    In years to come, I'd like to see the vintage video/film of the MFC's previous finals successes and particularly, this week's thumping of Whoreform, in coherence on any comparison with those 'beaut games of the past and hence, opt for a themic consistency with the same, traditional strip of the glory days ... Other than a distracting, optical dissimilarity, it would help to remind me of the hard-earned great days of the MFC carried into a present day revival.

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    4 hours ago, CHF said:

    It would be tough for the selectors to make an argument to change anyone from last week. Only exception I see is if someone has pulled up sore. 

    It took Tyson almost a full three quarters to warm up, to play with resolve and accuracy; he did just a few good things across the match - hardly enough to risk playing him - and his fourth quarter was merely 'reasonable'. Bring in someone else......

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    23 hours ago, Wollongong Demon said:

    Yep. How do you measure sheer will, determination and physical presence. This guy can put opposition players out of the game by legitimate tackles.

    They have some stats to measure those qualities. Pressure rating being the most obvious one. Effective tackles another.

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    11 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

    In - the Indigenous jumper. I love it.

    A clear message. 

    I might be one out, but I really loved the deep inky blue/black of the 160 jumper. Maybe without the fiddly overlaid text though.

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    http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-13/why-round-four-doesnt-matter-hawks-v-dees

    Changes from the flogging they gave us in Round 4 -

    In: Mitch Hannan, Tom McDonald, Charlie Spargo, Dom Tyson, Aaron vandenBerg, Jack Viney, Sam Weideman
    Out: Tom Bugg, Jeff Garlett, Jesse Hogan, Dean Kent, Jake Lever, Bernie Vince, Josh Wagner  

     

    Despite the loss of Hogan and Lever, we are much better off than our last game vs Hawthorn.

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    2 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

    http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-13/why-round-four-doesnt-matter-hawks-v-dees

    Changes from the flogging they gave us in Round 4 -

    In: Mitch Hannan, Tom McDonald, Charlie Spargo, Dom Tyson, Aaron vandenBerg, Jack Viney, Sam Weideman
    Out: Tom Bugg, Jeff Garlett, Jesse Hogan, Dean Kent, Jake Lever, Bernie Vince, Josh Wagner  

     

    Despite the loss of Hogan and Lever, we are much better off than our last game vs Hawthorn.

    Yep, just for the fact that Bugg was in and now he isn't, is a massive improvement.

    Plus the form of Gus, Harmes and Salem has vastly improved since that game. We are a totally different team. 

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    1 hour ago, Jaded said:

    Yep, just for the fact that Bugg was in and now he isn't, is a massive improvement.

    Plus the form of Gus, Harmes and Salem has vastly improved since that game. We are a totally different team. 

    I would add that Lever, while obviously hopefully a champion for the next 10 years, had not yet gelled in that round 4 line-up and is not as big an ‘out’ in reality as he seems on paper when comparing from that game.

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    6 minutes ago, IDee said:

    I would add that Lever, while obviously hopefully a champion for the next 10 years, had not yet gelled in that round 4 line-up and is not as big an ‘out’ in reality as he seems on paper when comparing from that game.

    We also played him as this super aggressive wing when had it forward. It didn’t work...

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    Just remember everyone.. Tyson had a broken arm and did a super job.

    In : JKH (never thought I'd say that)

    Out : Spargo

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    In the coaches votes v Geelong Elimination Final.

    Brayshaw, Harmes, Weideman, and McDonald (plus Oliver and Gawn).

    The first 2 were playing on the flanks in round 4 but now start at more centre bounces than anyone bar Oliver.

    The second 2 didn't play round 4.  

    Either did Viney, vandenBerg, and Hannan.  Or Frost.

    Not to mention the difference in our defensive structures.

    We are a very different outfit to round 4.  And in very good form.

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    5 hours ago, binman said:

    They have some stats to measure those qualities. Pressure rating being the most obvious one. Effective tackles another.

    Tx Binm an  but I was being a little facetious. What about the really effective tackles? The ones we all love from Vanders that makes players get splinters from sitting on the bench for the rest of the game. Or that passage of play on the centre wing where he pushes through his own team members. They need a new stat for him along the lines of barges or ko's. Love this blokes intensity.

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