Brings good pressure. Composure getting better. Good depth player. We don’t have much HF/wing depth

3 hours ago, DubDee said:

We don’t have much HF/wing depth

Really? I reckon we have more depth there than anywhere else - assuming Spargo and Jeff are playing, guys outside the 22 would include Hannan, Stretch, vandenberg, Kent, Bugg and Baker...how much more depth do you need?!?

Edited August 5, 20187 yr by Rogue

Failed today when he was against kids. Disposal 50/50 and cannot break through the lines. Pace non existent.

Good tackling not enough. 

12 hours ago, Rogue said:

Really? I reckon we have more depth there than anywhere else - assuming Spargo and Jeff are playing, guys outside the 22 would include Hannan, Stretch, vandenberg, Kent, Bugg and Baker...how much more depth do you need?!?

I meant currently/recently

Hannan (been injured), Stretch (injured), vandenberg (missed 2 years), Kent (been injured), Bugg (seems he wil be delidted) and Baker (untried)

I think he looks more comfortable out there and seems to get more involved each week.

Our structures look better since he has been in. If he is helping in that regard he stays.

His work rate is brilliant. He's in the side for now but I do feel he'll have to add something a little extra to stay long term.

He is playing his role well and our team is better for him in it. Im bullish that much like ANB he will be a very good player for us. 

He has had a few weeks now to settle in and adjust to the pace of the game, and he is still miles short of what is expected. His first year was pretty good, but I can't see how he has improved over the last four years. A few nice things each week doesn't cut it when they are accompanied by a number of miskicks, decision making errors and his lack of pace and size. And we have plenty of others who can play a similar role with more upside - I'd rather Hannan was tried on the wing - at least he can run and take an overhead mark.

Running hard, applying pressure, playing a role... but jury is still out on this one.

He’s sitting in that category of could be out at any moment so every week could potentially be his last game for Melbourne but I actually think he’s improving in his confidence. His ball use has mostly been good (although he set Jones up with that up and under that gave Jones his shiner), and he’s getting better at his evasive movements. 

That said I think he’ll get found out when exposed to immense pressure from the likes of Richmond. 

1 hour ago, Mach5 said:

Running hard, applying pressure, playing a role... but jury is still out on this one.

I think this sums it up, Mach.  Has he done enough to earn another contract?  I reckon it's touch and go at the minute.  I think he has done enough to catch the attention of someone like the Suns, though, where he might get a consistent crack at it in 2019.  I wouldn't be averse to giving him another year, but I wouldn't be surprised if he misses out either.

21 hours ago, Rogue said:

Really? I reckon we have more depth there than anywhere else - assuming Spargo and Jeff are playing, guys outside the 22 would include Hannan, Stretch, vandenberg, Kent, Bugg and Baker...how much more depth do you need?!?

Spargo - love him, but he's first season and so will be up and down
Jeff - going ok at the moment but still soft and was rightfully dropped
Hannan - has good and bad games, isn't established at the level
Stretch - couldn't get in to the side, then injured
Vanders - just back from injury
Kent - whenever he gets some form going he gets injured
Bugg - think he's done at AFL level
Baker - yet to debut, some promise at Casey but that doesn't mean much until he breaks through 

Just because we have a lot of options doesn't mean we have depth. Depth comes from having a stable best 22 and then having options who can come in and do a job after that. We don't even have one established wingman, so there's no way to say we have depth there! Fritsch is the closest we have and in an ideal world we can move him around forward/wing etc. Spargo/ANB/Melk etc somewhat lock down the half forward flanker jobs but the depth players aren't consistently tearing it up at Casey. And there's no depth behind Garlett for that designated crumber/goal sneak.

5 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Spargo - love him, but he's first season and so will be up and down
Jeff - going ok at the moment but still soft and was rightfully dropped
Hannan - has good and bad games, isn't established at the level
Stretch - couldn't get in to the side, then injured
Vanders - just back from injury
Kent - whenever he gets some form going he gets injured
Bugg - think he's done at AFL level
Baker - yet to debut, some promise at Casey but that doesn't mean much until he breaks through 

Just because we have a lot of options doesn't mean we have depth. Depth comes from having a stable best 22 and then having options who can come in and do a job after that. We don't even have one established wingman, so there's no way to say we have depth there! Fritsch is the closest we have

Stretch got into the team before JKH, didn't he? Ditto Spargo, Hannan, etc. I'd rate JKH behind almost all of the guys you listed, and Baker is young so I'd rather hang onto him than JKH if I needed to choose between delisting one of the two.

I didn't conflate the mid/wing positions so you may want to take that up with DubDee. However, there are plenty of options on our list for guys playing wing that I'd rate ahead of JKH. However, obviously we have had a number of injuries that mean those options are required elsewhere, and JKH is getting a run.

14 hours ago, DubDee said:

I meant currently/recently

Hannan (been injured), Stretch (injured), vandenberg (missed 2 years), Kent (been injured), Bugg (seems he wil be delidted) and Baker (untried)

Ah right, understand you. Sure, you're right - and that's why he's getting a game. Amazed that anyone thinks he's ticking boxes right now, though.

The game versus the Suns was his best so far this season, but it's important to note that they are putrid right now. They're a poor footy side and on top of that, they have a ton of outs which meant they were playing one of the worst teams they could put out on the field. JKHstill has a bunch of flaws which I, like other posters, think will get shown up big time against decent teams. The root cause of his ills may in part be mental - a lack of confidence would explain many of them - but regardless, I'll be shocked if he makes it.

Edited August 6, 20187 yr by Rogue

Really stiff to miss out on a final but it's the right call bringing Hannan in. 

JFK has impressed at times over the last month and I reckon he's done enough to earn a contract extension. He's a solid depth player now.

At the very worst, he's improved his trade value significantly,  and I wouldn't be surprised if Carlton or GCS started sniffing around as he may get limited opportunity again next year.

May still be required next week if we win and cop any injuries .

Edited September 6, 20187 yr by Hell Bent
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The Dees have good depth in their team now.

Consider: When Essendon was a power Gary O’Donnell played 50 reserves games before he made his debut. And then he went on to captain them.

JFK has plenty of time. Melbourne is a good side and a hard side to break into.

Edited September 6, 20187 yr by deefender
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Happy to see him get a new, 2 year contract 

4 hours ago, deefender said:

The Dees have good depth in their team now.

Consider: When Essendon was a power Gary O’Donnell played 50 reserves games before he made his debut. And then he went on to captain them.

JFK has plenty of time. Melbourne is a good side and a hard side to break into.

What about Dipper? Something like 100 before becoming a regular.

9 hours ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

Happy to see him get a new, 2 year contract 

would be very disappointed if he gets more than a year.

His form is barely acceptable bar one game. Stretch is way in front of him and I would expect another mid fielder in the draft. The only thing going for him he that he now has the body strength to avoid being pushed off the ball.

One year more at most.

He's done enough to ensure he gets his chances next year, and that is probably more than any of us thought was possible 5 weeks ago.

Hopefully it drives him to have a massive pre-season and claim his spot in the side next year. 

However Hannan is a proven performer and makes us more dangerous. I'm glad he is playing.

JKH should have held his spot IMO, with Spargo a bit lucky. (I like Spargo but he is only a baby.)