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[Clayton van Oliver 1,725]

Geez some of the MFCSS wrist slashing on here is ridiculous and short sighted. We've waited so long to be a great side that none of us, even those who can remember the 60s, recognise the process that it takes to become one.

We are nowhere near there, but it is happening. Doesn't happen overnight or necessarily in 4 or even 5 years. Look at the Frozen water coached Cats of the 2000s. Look at Richmond; look at where they were and the time the club gave Hardwick to learn his trade and figure out how to make them great. Compare that to the Dogs, who did it as a one off and will wallow in mediocrity again for the next 50 years.

Relevant to this is the [censored] being heaped on Lewis. He knows the process and is guiding our next generational champions to fulfilling their potential. No doubt he is getting close, but he still puts in cracking matches and makes good decisions. He also comes from that Hawks culture that the team and club come first, and that is the culture that will make us great. He will be one of those for whom we can thank for what is coming.

Temperance, Demonlanders. Temperance.

 

Edit: 

In: Vince Out: Lewis (joke) Out: J Smith

Also, Fritsch doing his own wingman version of Lever's role is something I can get behind

Edited July 8, 2018 by AmDamDemon

[D4Life 2,307]

2 minutes ago, AmDamDemon said:

Geez some of the MFCSS wrist slashing on here is ridiculous and short sighted. We've waited so long to be a great side that none of us, even those who can remember the 60s, recognise the process that it takes to become one.

We are nowhere near there, but it is happening. Doesn't happen overnight or necessarily in 4 or even 5 years. Look at the Frozen water coached Cats of the 2000s. Look at Richmond; look at where they were and the time the club gave Hardwick to learn his trade and figure out how to make them great. Compare that to the Dogs, who did it as a one off and will wallow in mediocrity again for the next 50 years.

Relevant to this is the [censored] being heaped on Lewis. He knows the process and is guiding our next generational champions to fulfilling their potential. No doubt he is getting close, but he still puts in cracking matches and makes good decisions. He also comes from that Hawks culture that the team and club come first, and that is the culture that will make us great. He will be one of those for whom we can thank for what is coming.

Temperance, Demonlanders. Temperance.

Any Demonlanders have been waiting a longtime for success, over 50 years personally, and the adds to the frustration and desire for quick results.

But I do feel we are headed in the right direction, a finals campaign would really help!

However supporting the Demons does require the odd drink!

[chookrat 3,851]

29 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Not sure why he pulled out, only he knows but it wasn’t for personal protection as far as I can see. Very little personal danger in putting your arm out to shepherd as I vaguely remember. He has played a lot of footy, and knows a bit about the game perhaps he chose to stay on the outside for the receive? We have been complaining about our lack of outside receivers haven’t we? 

If he blocked the players path to the ball it would have been a free for blocking. It is only a sheppard if your teammate has the ball. Trac didn't have the ball. 

[chookrat 3,851]

5 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

He was rested this weekend, didnt play anywhere.

I think he was dropped from the VFL as well

[Earl Hood 5,870]

6 minutes ago, chookrat said:

If he blocked the players path to the ball it would have been a free for blocking. It is only a sheppard if your teammate has the ball. Trac didn't have the ball. 

Gee I didn’t know that one! When I played you shepherded but it probably always was when your mate had the ball, never thought it would be a free if he didn’t. 

Edited July 8, 2018 by Earl Hood

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

21 hours ago, Skuit said:

No change. 

This is the right balance. 

Ordinarily I'd agree.... But we've seen Goody flinch at an unchanged side after travelling to the heat before.

I'm thinking Bernie being the travelling emergency was a tactic to rest an old body. Lewis out I reckon, and not because of form or elbows.

[deelete my account 1,194]

21 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

 

Funny tweet, awful hashtag. Abusive fans are the worst. #GrowUpCouttsy20

Edited July 8, 2018 by John Demonic

[jnrmac 19,484]

1 hour ago, chookrat said:

If he blocked the players path to the ball it would have been a free for blocking. It is only a sheppard if your teammate has the ball. Trac didn't have the ball. 

I don't think that's right. Blocking is only paid in a marking contest. You can shepherd if the ball is within 5m.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,097]

1 hour ago, John Demonic said:

Funny tweet, awful hashtag. Abusive fans are the worst. #GrowUpCouttsy20

that is a shocking attempt at a Shepard.

[daisycutter 28,723]

1 hour ago, chookrat said:

If he blocked the players path to the ball it would have been a free for blocking. It is only a sheppard if your teammate has the ball. Trac didn't have the ball. 

you can block or shepherd within 5 m of the ball whether your teammate has the ball or not (except in a marking contest)

[Winners at last 4,933]

I somehow don't think Lewis factored in the possibility of giving away a free kick when deciding not to bother shepherding ....

[dworship 3,342]

13 hours ago, timbo said:

16 tackles! What, was he driving a trail bike around the ground and flinging himself at everyone !

Yes and he did motor through a few

[DV8 2,271]

3 hours ago, jnrmac said:

I was thinking along those lines. We have recently had too many players going in for a contest rather than trusting your team mate and waiting for the receive. It might have been a brain fade because he his usually happy for a contest. The problem is that a shepherd would have definitely helped his mate win the contest. 

Sometimes it can be awkward to know whether to attack the ball or spread to receive...   perception/judgement, Re the decision, and timing.?

We all have Tracca under pressure atmo, so maybe he is a little too conscious of decisions.

 

Edited July 8, 2018 by DV8

[DV8 2,271]

2 hours ago, AmDamDemon said:

Geez some of the MFCSS wrist slashing on here is ridiculous and short sighted. We've waited so long to be a great side that none of us, even those who can remember the 60s, recognise the process that it takes to become one.

We are nowhere near there, but it is happening. Doesn't happen overnight or necessarily in 4 or even 5 years. Look at the Frozen water coached Cats of the 2000s. Look at Richmond; look at where they were and the time the club gave Hardwick to learn his trade and figure out how to make them great. Compare that to the Dogs, who did it as a one off and will wallow in mediocrity again for the next 50 years.

Relevant to this is the [censored] being heaped on Lewis. He knows the process and is guiding our next generational champions to fulfilling their potential. No doubt he is getting close, but he still puts in cracking matches and makes good decisions. He also comes from that Hawks culture that the team and club come first, and that is the culture that will make us great. He will be one of those for whom we can thank for what is coming.

Temperance, Demonlanders. Temperance.

 

Edit: 

In: Vince Out: Lewis (joke) Out: J Smith

Also, Fritsch doing his own wingman version of Lever's role is something I can get behind

well done ADD... great post.

[Demon Dynasty 16,286]

On 7/7/2018 at 10:47 PM, dees-picable said:

Melksham has to be looked at. Last 4 weeks dreadful. 

 

I would say 5 weeks....last reasonable game vs Crows.  Might get one more go at it with this week a marginal improvement on the horribilis of last week where any improvement might have fooled some into thinking it was a reasonable game.  JKH must be close to pushing him out after the Norf match.  Hannan was reasonable also but had plenty of chances at senior level.  More time needed at Casey to convince surely.

ANB hasn't really shown much since the Doggies match either and against the Dockers i think enough has been said already regarding the state of his form.  No obvious in form replacement at this point with his two way running capability so i reckon he stays for now.  Needs to get more of the pill and improve his finish substantially to avoid the inevitable.

Other than Melk and Joel Smith i doubt anyone else will be looked at.  The FD will be frustrated with the Joel situation as (like ANB) there really isn't another obvious in form (tall) defender replacement presenting right now who hasn't already been tried.

My gut feel is they will leave an unchanged line up vs the Doggies.

Melk / Joel potentially on notice on the bench?  JKH, Hannan (again), Vince (again) & Tyson  named emergencies for encouragement?

Edited July 8, 2018 by Rusty Nails

[P-man 13,309]

9 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Possibly, but has he been given enough chances over the years?  I think the FD have made up their mind on him as I don't recall JKH even being named as an emergency this year.  

He did play well on the weekend but I struggle to see a way for him to play senior footy for us again.

He genuinely looked a class above in the wet. I was disappointed with his last couple of AFL outings but I’d like to see if his latest run of form can translate. I think he’s earned that opportunity anyway 

There are others I’d have looked at first in terms of delistings at the end of the year, but one of them just got an extension.

[bing181 8,355]

9 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

Oh... he pulled out of a shepherd...

Thats pathetic.

Nonsense. He saw that Hibberd was leading for the ball, and set himself to receive it. As he should have. Hibberd then mishandled it - understandable in the wet, but under normal circumstances, the ball would have been cleared through Lewis.

[bing181 8,355]

7 hours ago, jnrmac said:

That video looks damning altho it is possible he was assuming Trac would get the ball to him in the clear.... yeah, nah...

Yeah, why give an experienced player the benefit of the doubt when you can indulge in some speculative negativity.

[bing181 8,355]

5 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

He has played a lot of footy, and knows a bit about the game perhaps he chose to stay on the outside for the receive?

Nah, makes too much sense.

[Skuit 9,382]

The quiz that over 90% of first-year students fail! Can you nail the answer they couldn't? Click here to see.

Part one:

You're running at full (albeit at your own limited) speed toward the ball. You notice that a capable teammate will arrive there ahead of you yet is running in the opposite direction of your goals, with no options ahead on the pivot but an opposition player player closing in on both your defensive and attacking sides, roughly equidistant and approximately eight metres from the where the ball currently is. If you apply a shepherd outside of the five-metre radius of the ball, you may be penalised for a closely-watched 'block'. Q: What do you do? 

A: sheperd the guy on the right anyway.

B. sheperd the guy on the left anyway. 

C. go for the ball.

D. try to create an overlap in space.

Part two: 

The average reading speed for more complex written material such as the equation above is about 100 words per minute. The above question consists of roughly 100 words. Meanwhile, a series of humans are travelling at an average speed of 14 kilometers per hour from four separate directions toward the effectively random bounce of an oval-shaped football which is approximately eight metres away at present. Q: What is your available reaction time in answering this quiz as a comparative ratio to the central participant in Part one in determining what to do?  

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15 hours ago, bing181 said:

The players: "In Darwin it's like wet weather football".

First rule of wet weather football: just keep the ball moving forward, by whatever means possible. Includes kicks off the ground.

He sqibbed it for mine because bending over and picking up the ball gets harder in the wet and attracts a tackle

Oh and his hacks werent close / didnt connect

[deanox 8,948]

14 hours ago, chookrat said:

If he blocked the players path to the ball it would have been a free for blocking. It is only a sheppard if your teammate has the ball. Trac didn't have the ball. 

That's not true. The only time you can't sheppard is when contesting a mark or the ruck. 

[binman 39,475]

8 hours ago, Skuit said:

The quiz that over 90% of first-year students fail! Can you nail the answer they couldn't? Click here to see.

Part one:

You're running at full (albeit at your own limited) speed toward the ball. You notice that a capable teammate will arrive there ahead of you yet is running in the opposite direction of your goals, with no options ahead on the pivot but an opposition player player closing in on both your defensive and attacking sides, roughly equidistant and approximately eight metres from the where the ball currently is. If you apply a shepherd outside of the five-metre radius of the ball, you may be penalised for a closely-watched 'block'. Q: What do you do? 

A: sheperd the guy on the right anyway.

B. sheperd the guy on the left anyway. 

C. go for the ball.

D. try to create an overlap in space.

Part two: 

The average reading speed for more complex written material such as the equation above is about 100 words per minute. The above question consists of roughly 100 words. Meanwhile, a series of humans are travelling at an average speed of 14 kilometers per hour from four separate directions toward the effectively random bounce of an oval-shaped football which is approximately eight metres away at present. Q: What is your available reaction time in answering this quiz as a comparative ratio to the central participant in Part one in determining what to do?  

To paraphrase one of the great modern thinkers - Maxwell Smart - i got everything up to Part one:

[Fat Tony 4,575]

We played very well against Freo apart from our goal kicking, so ordinarily I wouldn't want to see too many forced changes. I also liked the balance of our side. In saying this, the conditions in Darwin will probably require some fresh legs (even though the VFL was a slog and hardly the best preparation either).

Vince should definitely come in. Not playing on the weekend will be a benefit.

Smith is borderline in our 22 when fully fit, so he should be rested/omitted this week.

I could also see older bodies Lewis and/or Jones being rested. Tyson, JKH, Wagner or Baker would be a most likely to come in, but it needs to be a like for like change. i.e. Tyson can only come in if Jones, Viney, Oliver or Brayshaw goes out.

[Deemania since 56 6,315]

On 7/7/2018 at 10:08 PM, dee-tox said:

Smith has to go. So far away from it.

Goodwin will stick with ANB, but perhaps shouldn't.

Against the doggies, we need some runners and some great kicks passing into 50m zone. ANB is one such runner who might have reviewed his limited contribution against Freo to recognise that he needs to get more mobile with fwd defensive pressure, two-way running and more care with his shots.

Hannan has the run, needs to get into position, can mark and certainly can snap a goal or two, getting behind. He also has height to challenge the Doggies backs and with timely involvement by largely avoiding the one-on-one contests to swing in as a spoiler, out and as a carrier/feeder, and receive on leads that he sets up. He is class, in the making albeit some way off. 

Like to see Baker come in from the bench to assist or relieve the wingers - who should be Fritsch and Stretch. Jeffy in a pocket for Jeffy stuff, Frosty at CHB, J. Smith to take Lewis' HBFlk, Jones to rove fwd and lead from the FPkt. 

Outs: Lewis, Spargo,