Goodwin Presser (4/7)

[Wiseblood 24,636]

2 minutes ago, ding said:

God i miss Danners.......................... THERE was a coach with personality.

To be fair, it took him years to become 'The Rev'. His first 4-5 years were nothing like the rest. But I loved his last few years in charge when he came out of his shell. 

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1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

To be fair, it took him years to become 'The Rev'. His first 4-5 years were nothing like the rest. But I loved his last few years in charge when he came out of his shell. 

Haha, yes but with the passing of time, details like that will be forgotten and grizzled old bastards like me will simply remember him as the ultimate MFC salesman who could do no wrong.

[forever demons 1,852]

Just now, ding said:

Haha, yes but with the passing of time, details like that will be forgotten and grizzled old bastards like me will simply remember him as the ultimate MFC salesman who could do no wrong.

yep

[Willmoy1947 3,790]

23 minutes ago, chookrat said:

He could have spent the 10 minutes blaming our loss on the umpires, their poor decisions and a conspiracy involving the upper echelons of the AFL and illumanati who dont want Melbourne to succeed becore finishing by reading a series of 'mean tweet' comments from Demonland. 

Gees, no one believes that sort of stuff, do they........

[forever demons 1,852]

5 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

To be fair, it took him years to become 'The Rev'. His first 4-5 years were nothing like the rest. But I loved his last few years in charge when he came out of his shell. 

thats what i mean blokes like him are hard to find ,but yelled got upset and showed it,its called passion

[Gator 16,893]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

Much like Lewis last night, Goody has no option here but to answer questions, protect his players and protect the club.  It's what he does every week.  Would you be happier if he came out and smashed a few players for their effort?  Went off his nut about the game?  I doubt it.  He has to give a press conference every week no matter what the outcome of the previous game, so if you don't want to listen to it, then don't.  I have no idea what you really expect of him in these situations.

As in life, the 80/20 rule is alive and well on Demonland.

(Not in a good way)

[Wells 11 4,781]

I loved his presser. He gave it to the payers in private ( as he should have) and backed them up in the press (as he should have). Neeld threw the players under the bus publicly and look how that turned out. Its a young group they dont need even more public scrutiny than they are already getting. Goodwin is all class imo. We're all hurting...but imo he's handling it well with the press at least. 

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Make Melbourne Great Again.

 

Edited July 4, 2018 by ding

[Engorged Onion 9,343]

1 hour ago, forever demons said:

crap that is why we are where we are as as club time to stand up and yell

to make 'us' the supporters who are oldskool feel as though somethings gunna change? the world has evolved from pre 2000's - get em angry, that'll sort em mentality.

heavens... I grinned from ear to ear, when Goodwin spoke of 'love' between the players and care... that is what builds cohesion for teams...not tearing paint strips... I don't think I've ever heard a coach publicly talk in that manner...twas temendous...

anger may seem to look like passion, but it doesnt help clarity to make infomered decisions. 

Being measured in responses is not mutually exclusive to being passionate about your players, your team, your football club , and your own profession as a coach.

personally, I'd be careful not confuse what is presented to the media and the public in these sorts of times, as duplicate of what happens within the club...

Edited July 4, 2018 by Danelska

[Sir Why You Little 34,579]

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Much like Lewis last night, Goody has no option here but to answer questions, protect his players and protect the club.  It's what he does every week.  Would you be happier if he came out and smashed a few players for their effort?  Went off his nut about the game?  I doubt it.  He has to give a press conference every week no matter what the outcome of the previous game, so if you don't want to listen to it, then don't.  I have no idea what you really expect of him in these situations.

I would actually love to see the coach come out swinging. We just lost to the Aints on our home turf. 

Some players deserve an absolute bake

It’s groundhog day Round 23. 

When are the players going to take responsibility for being lazy and dumb for 3 quarters??

 

Not that you will agree with anything i have said Wise

World of Sport “Coaches Corner” was far more informative

Live to air in those days...

[Wiseblood 24,636]

6 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I would actually love to see the coach come out swinging. We just lost to the Aints on our home turf. 

Some players deserve an absolute bake

I want the coach to come out swinging... behind closed doors.  Jordan Lewis already mentioned the review was pretty brutal, and that's good enough for me.  Why do we need him slamming the players in public?  That achieves nothing but appease a few of the veteran supporters who think it actually helps.

Goodwin's job is to protect the players in the press and do the hard stuff when the media isn't there.

[Sir Why You Little 34,579]

3 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I want the coach to come out swinging... behind closed doors.  Jordan Lewis already mentioned the review was pretty brutal, and that's good enough for me.  Why do we need him slamming the players in public?  That achieves nothing but appease a few of the veteran supporters who think it actually helps.

Goodwin's job is to protect the players in the press and do the hard stuff when the media isn't there.

Goodwin’s job is to win a goddam FLAG

Stop this PC rubbish

[Wiseblood 24,636]

2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Goodwin’s job is to win a goddam FLAG

Stop this PC rubbish

No [censored] it's his job to win a flag.

Whether you like it or not, the way he interacts with the media is how pretty much every coach does it and will continue to do it.  Sure, there are different personalities and such, but they do the bulk of their work individually with the players and do it away from prying eyes.  That's just the way it is.

[Sir Why You Little 34,579]

6 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

No [censored] it's his job to win a flag.

Whether you like it or not, the way he interacts with the media is how pretty much every coach does it and will continue to do it.  Sure, there are different personalities and such, but they do the bulk of their work individually with the players and do it away from prying eyes.  That's just the way it is.

Yes and we go round in circles. 

I don’t give a flying F about other clubs

last weekend was a cut and paste of Round 23 last year, it shows the players don’t really care or it shows Goodwin is clueless under pressure or a combination of the two. 

But if ever the coach should have stared down the barrell of the camera and stated how he really felt, was last weekend. 

SHOW SOME [censored] PASSION, which is what lacks in this club. The supporters have it, The club doesn’t. What other club would accept those first 3 Quarters last week???

The MFC does, because it happened 9 months ago under the same coach. 

“But everything is tracking nicely” says Simon. 

I mean really.......

[Engorged Onion 9,343]

44 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes and we go round in circles. 

I don’t give a flying F about other clubs

last weekend was a cut and paste of Round 23 last year, it shows the players don’t really care or it shows Goodwin is clueless under pressure or a combination of the two. 

But if ever the coach should have stared down the barrell of the camera and stated how he really felt, was last weekend. 

SHOW SOME [censored] PASSION, which is what lacks in this club. The supporters have it, The club doesn’t. What other club would accept those first 3 Quarters last week???

The MFC does, because it happened 9 months ago under the same coach. 

“But everything is tracking nicely” says Simon. 

I mean really.......

Coaches operate on a spectrum in what they convey.

Neeld - throw players under the bus publicly--------------------- vs Roos /Goodwin - support players publicly, do the work behind closed doors.

Do you really honestly believe Goodwin is lacks passion? 

Did you think Neeld had it bang on, when he slaughtered players in the media...and thought, that's what they need..that'll toughen em up?

Humans don't want to work for people who don't treat them with respect and dignity...it just doesn't work long term...never has, never will... @Sir Why You Little, 

What other club would accept those first 3 Quarters last week???...ps what does this statement even mean? How has it been accepted, or not? What do we need to see to know whether it has or has not been accepted?

Edited July 4, 2018 by Danelska

[Sir Why You Little 34,579]

1 hour ago, Danelska said:

Coaches operate on a spectrum in what they convey.

Neeld - throw players under the bus publicly--------------------- vs Roos /Goodwin - support players publicly, do the work behind closed doors.

Do you really honestly believe Goodwin is lacks passion? 

Did you think Neeld had it bang on, when he slaughtered players in the media...and thought, that's what they need..that'll toughen em up?

Humans don't want to work for people who don't treat them with respect and dignity...it just doesn't work long term...never has, never will... @Sir Why You Little, 

What other club would accept those first 3 Quarters last week???...ps what does this statement even mean? How has it been accepted, or not? What do we need to see to know whether it has or has not been accepted?

Neeld didn’t bake players publicly

he stared blankly at the camera half the time with Jack Grimes sitting next to him. 

He was a Rookie coach who was way out of his depth

Goodwin performs better in front of a camera but is still so far failing when the pressure is applied on matchday. 

and then we read today that training was a jovial affair....

 

[titan_uranus 22,444]

Here we go again, just like the thread about Lewis on AFL360.

Every time some posts "I'm sick of all the talk" or "you don't see words on the scoreboard", I want to punch the computer screen. People post as if the coaches and players have a choice and call the press conference themselves, like they're inviting the media to their house or something.

It's almost the complete opposite. They're speaking because they are required to.

[Sir Why You Little 34,579]

6 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Here we go again, just like the thread about Lewis on AFL360.

Every time some posts "I'm sick of all the talk" or "you don't see words on the scoreboard", I want to punch the computer screen. People post as if the coaches and players have a choice and call the press conference themselves, like they're inviting the media to their house or something.

It's almost the complete opposite. They're speaking because they are required to.

Correct. 

But are supporters required to buy a yearly Membership?

many of those Membership categories are over $1,000 a year. 

It gets harder to justify the expense when history just keeps repeating. 

[Gator 16,893]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Neeld didn’t bake players publicly

he stared blankly at the camera half the time with Jack Grimes sitting next to him. 

He was a Rookie coach who was way out of his depth

Goodwin performs better in front of a camera but is still so far failing when the pressure is applied on matchday. 

and then we read today that training was a jovial affair....

 

You were asked, "What do we need to see to know whether it has or has not been accepted?".  This was with regards to your comment "what other club would accept the first 3 quarters".

I'm interested in your response to this very specific question.

[Skuit 9,185]

Talk is cheap!

What I want to hear is the coaches saying this; '(insert contradictory comment)'. 

[praha 10,283]

9 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

To be fair, it took him years to become 'The Rev'. His first 4-5 years were nothing like the rest. But I loved his last few years in charge when he came out of his shell. 

If you watch the 98 season "hotter than hell" video on Youtube there's quite a few clips of Daniher speaking post-game. He used to refer to players in the plural quite often which you don't hear much anymore.

"We have a really talented forward line, the Farmers, Neitzs, Lyons".

He was also pretty brutal in his assessment of matches but never singled out a player if I recall.

Daniher's demeanour and language was very similar to malcolm blight, although Blight went over the edge a few times. "Pitiful Pitman" is an all-time classic media meltdown and roast of a player by a coach.

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9 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Correct. 

But are supporters required to buy a yearly Membership?

many of those Membership categories are over $1,000 a year. 

It gets harder to justify the expense when history just keeps repeating. 

Bolding mine. That is a really salient point, and it seems it's forgotten a lot of the time.

[beelzebub 22,225]

Slept like a lamb...Thanks Goody.

Looking forward to Saturday

So much better after a Good presser

 

[drysdale demon 4,172]

11 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes and we go round in circles. 

I don’t give a flying F about other clubs

last weekend was a cut and paste of Round 23 last year, it shows the players don’t really care or it shows Goodwin is clueless under pressure or a combination of the two. 

But if ever the coach should have stared down the barrell of the camera and stated how he really felt, was last weekend. 

SHOW SOME [censored] PASSION, which is what lacks in this club. The supporters have it, The club doesn’t. What other club would accept those first 3 Quarters last week???

The MFC does, because it happened 9 months ago under the same coach. 

“But everything is tracking nicely” says Simon. 

I mean really.......

If I were you swyl I would give it a rest about goodwin, your dislike of him is apparent to all on here, don't keep repeating yourself.

[beelzebub 22,225]

Yes , it's all a game...pressers. I get it. I still see absolutely no reason a player needs to open his mouth but if a game , then I'm entitled to gauge how well it's played.

For mine you need only engage the 4th estate as little as needed. You can show them polite contempt and get on with your REAL job . You can become poor viewing etc. You can make it irritable for the idiots with mics. It's been done before.

All we get are cliches ad nauseum.

The mantra of 'dont feed the trolls' can be easily applied to the media.

Part of the reason , imho, that Goodwin uttters these nonsense contrivances is that by saying them and hearing them it somehow reinforces their validity as truth.

It's all plainly bullsh#t as is our footy.

To paraphrase a well known identity,

DON'T SAY....DO 

Edited July 4, 2018 by beelzebub