On 19/06/2018 at 06:38, Grapeviney said:

But the humidity of the Darwin match and the flow-on effects the following week is considered too high a price to pay.

So basically the club is conceding that this year's Darwin game is going to physically effect our run home this season. Not good.

However, good news that we may be looking to get out of the deal. More than happy to have that home game transferred to Etihad given how well we play there and how badly we play at the MCG.

Interesting that last year we had a good win over Port the week after Darwin, but then put in 2 lackluster performances against North and GWS (both interstate). So the flow on effects could last beyond the 1 week.

  On 19/06/2018 at 23:05, Moonshadow said:

Maybe, but if there is TV coverage and the club makes decent $, it's better than playing in Darwin

Presumably you mean free-to-air TV coverage, preferably on a Friday or Saturday night. And I agree with that.

  On 19/06/2018 at 23:05, Moonshadow said:

Maybe, but if there is TV coverage and the club makes decent $, it's better than playing in Darwin

I want 45,000 at the ‘G

We are Melbourne 

  On 19/06/2018 at 23:27, Sir Why You Little said:

I want 45,000 at the ‘G

We are Melbourne 

I would, too. But we'll likely play a team in Alice Springs that wouldn't draw 45,000 to the G anyway, such as Gold Coast, Fremantle or a poorly performing team, such as St Kilda is now.

Playing in Darwin is a joke. 

  On 19/06/2018 at 23:36, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I would, too. But we'll likely play a team in Alice Springs that wouldn't draw 45,000 to the G anyway, such as Gold Coast, Fremantle or a poorly performing team, such as St Kilda is now.

and then lose the next 2 games, because the team is “Flat”

The NT deal must cease....

  On 19/06/2018 at 23:27, Sir Why You Little said:

I want 45,000 at the ‘G

We are Melbourne 

Sure, but the issue is more nuanced than 3 word slogans. If we can get Friday night FTA TV and make good money, then 2 games in Alice against Freo/Port/GCS is better than one in each of Alice and Darwin. The red centre isn't too hot or humid mid year. 'Flat' is a furphy. Better than a financial loss at the G in front of 18k

  On 20/06/2018 at 00:05, Sir Why You Little said:

and then lose the next 2 games, because the team is “Flat”

The NT deal must cease....

Travelling from Melbourne to Alice Springs is approx 1,888 km whereas Melbourne to Perth is about 2,700 km. Since we won our last flag, West Coast has won three while travelling to Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane far more than we ever have to travel. The excuse that we are 'flat' because we have to travel to Alice Springs doesn't wash with me. (Darwin, on the other hand, is problematic, not because of the distance but because of the conditions.)  

About time.

We needed it then when we were in major debt and playing like crap anyway. Now it is impacting our ability to succeed on the field, which is priority #1. Time to go.

  On 20/06/2018 at 01:15, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Travelling from Melbourne to Alice Springs is approx 1,888 km whereas Melbourne to Perth is about 2,700 km. Since we won our last flag, West Coast has won three while travelling to Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane far more than we ever have to travel. The excuse that we are 'flat' because we have to travel to Alice Springs doesn't wash with me. (Darwin, on the other hand, is problematic, not because of the distance but because of the conditions.)  

Look at the following games after the NT travel, since this Cash ? Grab began. 

Always been flat 1-2 weeks after. 

That’s why no serious September side would ever go near it

Here in Alice, we would love to have the Demons play twice a year, screw Darwin!

Roos on Demonland highlighted that games in Darwin & Alice don’t make sense when you are in and around position 6-10, as it may cost you a final spot, that has other sponsors kickers attached to making finals, and other benefits!

  On 20/06/2018 at 09:06, D4Life said:

Roos on Demonland highlighted that games in Darwin & Alice don’t make sense when you are in and around position 6-10, as it may cost you a final spot, that has other sponsors kickers attached to making finals, and other benefits!

Easily could cost us 1-3 positions on the ladder. 

Time to get serious and play home games in front of the Members

For all those hoping for the MCG, from three weeks ago...

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However Jackson was keen to point out that the cessation of games in Darwin would not necessarily mean Melbourne would play more at the MCG, where the Demons are only contractually obliged to play nine home games a season. He said games moved from the NT could become home games at the newly renamed Marvel Stadium.

 

  On 20/06/2018 at 09:30, Supermercado said:

For all those hoping for the MCG, from three weeks ago...

 

Not worried about that, I've actually grown to tolerate Docklands since we've had a win or 2 there. Only issue would be small crowds = low revenue because MFC supporters steer clear.

  On 20/06/2018 at 09:31, Dr. Gonzo said:

Not worried about that, I've actually grown to tolerate Docklands since we've had a win or 2 there. Only issue would be small crowds = low revenue because MFC supporters steer clear.

And the financials are much better there now that the AFL own the joint. Not a big deal to play one game there if the alternative is Darwin.

  On 20/06/2018 at 09:36, Supermercado said:

And the financials are much better there now that the AFL own the joint. Not a big deal to play one game there if the alternative is Darwin.

they need to give non-tenant clubs better deals for members when playing "home" games. it's a joke compared to same situation at the g

  On 20/06/2018 at 01:48, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

Here in Alice, we would love to have the Demons play twice a year, screw Darwin!

I think the Alice is a great environment for us to retain! The 'heart of the nation' concept bodes well also, allowing us to celebrate the indigenous involvement of our game which is important.

1. Retain Alice

2. Remove Darwin..

 

  On 20/06/2018 at 09:41, daisycutter said:

they need to give non-tenant clubs better deals for members when playing "home" games. it's a joke compared to same situation at the g

One of the things that needs to be done is for all the stadium deals to be made public.

All of the stadiums are built and maintained substantially on taxpayer money. There is no real need to keep them secret as their is no natural competitor that could make use of the information such as might be the case for the Australian Open and the tennis centre.

The deal offered to clubs should be identical and I have no objection to clubs getting bigger revenue if their crowds are higher.

At Docklands they really need to do something to resolve the Medallion club impasse. Absolutely ridiculous for the best seats to be left empty for so many matches.

  On 20/06/2018 at 10:02, Diamond_Jim said:

One of the things that needs to be done is for all the stadium deals to be made public.

All of the stadiums are built and maintained substantially on taxpayer money. There is no real need to keep them secret as their is no natural competitor that could make use of the information such as might be the case for the Australian Open and the tennis centre.

The deal offered to clubs should be identical and I have no objection to clubs getting bigger revenue if their crowds are higher.

At Docklands they really need to do something to resolve the Medallion club impasse. Absolutely ridiculous for the best seats to be left empty for so many matches.

I don't know how much the taxpayers contribute. (As an MCC member, it feels like I'm personally helping pay off the redevelopment of the stands built in the early 2000s every time I renew my membership). However, I'm sure it is significant. I agree with the points you make about transparency and equity.

  On 20/06/2018 at 00:05, Sir Why You Little said:

and then lose the next 2 games, because the team is “Flat”

The NT deal must cease....

Too much is made of the whether in Darwin, you say last year we won a week after Darwin, but lost 2  weeks later, the second game after Darwin has nothing as o do with playing in Darwin, today whether is low 19 high 32, humidity of 19%, that's not high humidity, we play at night where the temp is around 19 to 23, with low humidity. Being flat after Darwin has more to do with a young   inexperienced side fading out towards a long season. We will sell more home games, after the pokies are sold 10 million dollars of revenue  will be loste, hate pokies but the do gooders will not give us money for giving them up. We are getting good crowds that we are playing well, but that won't last for ever, when we are rebuilding again the crowds will drop, and the club will lose millions of dollars, before we got Bentley club we lost millons every year, we only started making profit after we got the club,  

could we be dumping Darwin for a home game in China?

  On 20/06/2018 at 01:48, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

Here in Alice, we would love to have the Demons play twice a year, screw Darwin!

We play like we did this year and I'm on board with that. Darwin however is a seriously tough climate for elite sport, as a one off you can do it, but don't expect to feel chipper for a few days after. @don't make me angryI wonder if the sports scientists could explain further, when I've been in the tropics, playing beach ultimate tournaments, regardless of what the BoM details are, I find it much more draining, Like some sort of lethargy creeps in.

  On 21/06/2018 at 08:41, number 27 said:

could we be dumping Darwin for a home game in China?

We better bloody not be.

  On 21/06/2018 at 09:36, DaisyDeeciple said:

We play like we did this year and I'm on board with that. Darwin however is a seriously tough climate for elite sport, as a one off you can do it, but don't expect to feel chipper for a few days after. @don't make me angryI wonder if the sports scientists could explain further, when I've been in the tropics, playing beach ultimate tournaments, regardless of what the BoM details are, I find it much more draining, Like some sort of lethargy creeps in.

We are giving the opposition a free hit for at least 2 weeks if they are on. 

It will cost us on field...

5 years ago we needed cash ?