Delisting, Trade and FA discussion 2018

[Jibroni 5,003]

If we can find another Fritsch with 23 then we will be fine.

[RedsoxMan 144]

9 minutes ago, DSP said:

How do you 'win' a trade period?

Jesse was going, even if he stayed, he was gone next year and we all know what happens when players stays on when they have already checked out.

We got a big body defender in, which we dont have and a promising youngster running and delivering out of the backline, which we also dont have (Hunt hasnt proven himself there).

We also take in pick 23 into a very promising draft.

Was it ideal? No, but we certainly got 2 quality players and a good chance a ripper kid in the draft.

I agree, he was gone next year. We improved out 1st pick, and also obtained KK.   Our Club is now stronger, given Hogan was going.

[Docs Demons 1,790]

This to me is a win for us. 2 decent players in and a player in Hogan who would not have been committed next season if we knocked Freo back. Now we go forward in 19 to the next step and play off in GF whilst Hogan finishes bottom 4.

It must be home factor and money for Hogan as I do not see the ball going to him enough to kick goals and boy if he sulked at times with us just watch him at Freo

[HardBallGet 127]

6 and 23 was an ok deal given he wanted out, For the life of me I can't see why we had to sweeten it with pick 65 though. I would have thought given we have 7 list spots and 4 draft picks another pick in the 60s would have been worth holding on to

 

[Turner 1,514]

Now:

23

28

54 + 62 = Bedford + 70ish

70

91 = upgrade

 

am i wrong??

[Lampers 563]

18 minutes ago, old dee said:

They have their eye on someone and think he will will be gone by 36.

Or we will see 23 and/or 28 flipped for some established “filling a need” players.

There is so much that happens with draft order once you get past around pick 15 - even more so now with live pick trading during the draft - I doubt moving up from mid 30s to late 20s is about a specific player.

[Clintosaurus 7,843]

So we won't get a trophy tonight? FMD.

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

WE CAVED IN WITH HOGAN DEAL. Freo and other clubs must be laughing their heads of at this deal!

should have insisted on 5, 19, Kollo and late third rounder.

Under the deal done Neale worth more than Hoges

Gutted!

not suprised you were the narrator of this thread

Remember that it's about the bigger picture and filling deficits...and if a player doesnt really want to be there, with where his contract is...you can insist as much as you want , but the hand, is the hand.

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,294]

Sounds like we are taking those picks to the draft after hearing Mahoney speak a short time ago 

Edited October 17, 2018 by Hell Bent

[davo 209]

1 hour ago, drdrake said:

It removes the distraction of will he wont he stay for the next 12 months.  We get May, Preuss, KK pick 23 for Hogan Kent and Tyson.  I reckon we have identified holes and filled them 

Exactly, we’ve now got all positions covered, we’ll be top 4 next year and Freo will be bottom 6. Hogan was always going home, it was on his mind 24/7, he’s a Scarborough boy and that’s where he belongs, we now have the best backline in the AFL, top 2 midfield and the highest scoring forward line, TMac will kick 80 next year! 

[Clayton van Oliver 1,823]

9 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

not suprised you were the narrator of this thread

Remember that it's about the bigger picture and filling deficits...and if a player doesnt really want to be there, with where his contract is...you can insist as much as you want , but the hand, is the hand.

No! It's about instant rage and CAPS LOCK!!

[DeeSpencer 25,680]

45 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

Interesting trade to move 8 spots, not sure what the logic is?

I think moving that 2nd pick ahead of any Toby Bedford bid.

We'd hate to have kept pick 36 and had to use it to match Bedford.

Now we can draft with 23, 28, then match a bid for Bedford that comes in the 30's or 40's, then take a late flyer on someone. Similar draft to last year, 3 picks in the 2nd round and then a later flyer.

Not sure how we fill the remaining 3 spots on the list but I'm not too worried about it either. 

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,727]

21 minutes ago, Turner said:

Now:

23

28

54 + 62 = Bedford + 70ish

70

91 = upgrade

 

am i wrong??

Correct. Though it depends on where Bedford gets bid on. If someone bids on him before pick 28, then we will have to use that pick on him.

If it is after pick 28 but before pick 54, then we use pick 54 and pick 62 slides slightly.

If it's after pic 54 then happy days.

[Jibroni 5,003]

16 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

So we won't get a trophy tonight? FMD.

 

Unfortunately Hawks have a handle on that one.

[Lord Neville X Flash 281]

We definetly lost the Hogan deal, but 6 for May and Kolo is a win. Once again GC are the ones who got truely shafted

[Lord Neville X Flash 281]

Everyone saying our team is better is underselling how special Hogan might turn out to be. But he wanted to go, and considering trauma he has been through, we had to let him go

[beelzebub 23,350]

15 minutes ago, Hell Bent said:

Sounds like we are taking those picks to the draft after hearing Mahoney speak a short time ago 

Quite probably. Or a shot across the bow intended for a club wavering on a trade.. who knows

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

WE CAVED IN WITH HOGAN DEAL. Freo and other clubs must be laughing their heads of at this deal!

should have insisted on 5, 19, Kollo and late third rounder.

Under the deal done Neale worth more than Hoges

Gutted!

Must confess, haven’t rated your football knowledge ever since you started threads (one entitled “Mushy Green Peas”) on the eve of Brad Greens 200th game. Real knowledgeable and classy...

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

5 minutes ago, Lord Neville X Flash said:

Everyone saying our team is better is underselling how special Hogan might turn out to be. But he wanted to go, and considering trauma he has been through, we had to let him go

Not necessarily, many just see that the moves we have made to our list, leads to it being a better, more balanced list.

[Vipercrunch 2,827]

A new thread for a tantrum.  Awesome.

[ignition. 1,466]

I don't care what anyone says, Mahoney cannot negotiate.

He folded last year when he met Adelaide's demand of two first-round picks (for Lever), he also did it with Port Adelaide as we pay for some of Watts' salary. This year, yet again, he didn't stick to his guns and accepted the loss of Hogan and Pick 65 for pick 6 and 23 (arguably a more valuable player than Lever).

He's just incapable of sticking to his guns and learning to manipulate the situation in his favour.

Should he be sacked? No. He's managed the list well and done a good job at poaching/recruiting players. Do we need someone else to negotiate better trades during trade week? Yes.

[Webber 10,465]

Excellent outcome. Now our list is truly balanced, and with enviable depth. However talented he is, Jesse Hogan was never part of this team’s growing brotherhood. He always appeared to be on the outer. Best of luck to him, but if we want a team where everyone is happy to be there, he was never going to be part of that. We got the players we were after, and whatever with pick 23. Arguing over petty details of draft order picks is pointless when the goal has been achieved. 

[The Reverend 1,736]

4 minutes ago, Webber said:

Excellent outcome. Now our list is truly balanced, and with enviable depth. However talented he is, Jesse Hogan was never part of this team’s growing brotherhood. He always appeared to be on the outer. Best of luck to him, but if we want a team where everyone is happy to be there, he was never going to be part of that. We got the players we were after, and whatever with pick 23. Arguing over petty details of draft order picks is pointless when the goal has been achieved. 

Absolutely, certainly, positively correct Mr Webber. We are looking like a better team already. Our backline stocks are now most impressive. Our forwards will get the job done and our backs will limit opposition scoring. We may just be unstoppable.

GO DEES!

[Dee-licious 1,949]

So we have 7 senior spots and 1 rookie spot (or 5 senior and 3 rookies). 

4 or 5 drafting (23, 28, 54, 62, 70) and then possibly we need to look at someone who has been delisted. Or, I believe we heard a rumour that Dec and T Smith were being upgraded? (Could ve wrong). 

I still am a fan of giving a freeman or hartung a lifeline, but there is a reason I’m not a list manager. 

[Ouch! 2,262]

6 minutes ago, Webber said:

Excellent outcome. Now our list is truly balanced, and with enviable depth. However talented he is, Jesse Hogan was never part of this team’s growing brotherhood. He always appeared to be on the outer. Best of luck to him, but if we want a team where everyone is happy to be there, he was never going to be part of that. We got the players we were after, and whatever with pick 23. Arguing over petty details of draft order picks is pointless when the goal has been achieved. 

Agree.

There were people at the start of trade week saying if we can get May in, possibly having to give up Hogan, it would be an exceptional result.  That isn't about the respective value of each player, just the net result of trade week. 

I'm probably more concerned that losing a player like Tyson hurts our midfield depth, but understand him wanting an opportunity.