The falling over and the slowness are a worry.

Our oldest Vince and Lewis were exposed. Our youngest in Spargo was also exposed.

Anyone not looking squarely at the midfield in that loss is barking up the wrong tree.

At clearances and stoppages we were destroyed.  They controlled the game.

He was very disappointing and slow today. No way to argue against that. But so was half the team.

But it did stand out a few times particularly in the second half, where he appeared to be running in second gear. I can't tell if it's just the type of player he is, or if the game has passed him by. He appeared to be moving in slow motion.

8 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

Booked in to see my doctor tomorrow as I was obviously at a different match today. Thought I was at Dees vs Pies but I must have been watching Lewis on replay when he played for another team. 

Which comment do you disagree with?

Here are my assertions, numbered for easy reference:

1. Very slow.
2. Goes to ground too easily.
3. Is prone to absolutely horrible turnovers.
4. Is prone to giving away unnecessary frees/50m penalties.
5. Is able to hit up targets nicely.
6. Apparently gives good leadership. 

Genuinely interested.

Edited June 11, 20187 yr by Rogue

There’s no doubt other teams can expose Lewis and Vince. He wasn’t the worst today but he picks up many cheap possessions, short handballs and 15m chip kicks. I’m sure he’s providing leadership but game has passed him and still 18 month on his contract. I’d pay him out at seasons end

2 hours ago, Rogue said:

Which comment do you disagree with?

Here are my assertions, numbered for easy reference:

1. Very slow.
2. Goes to ground too easily.
3. Is prone to absolutely horrible turnovers.
4. Is prone to giving away unnecessary frees/50m penalties.
5. Is able to hit up targets nicely.
6. Apparently gives good leadership. 

Genuinely interested.

There's nothing 'apparently' about it.  His leadership at the club, from what I've heard, has been excellent since the day he arrived.  He's never been quick so why we're all up in arms about him being slow is baffling.  He hits way way way more targets than he misses (and plenty at our club are prone to horrible turnovers) and his discipline this season has been good.

DS has just decided yesterday that he needs someone to sink the boots into.  Lewis seems to be his man.  He's done this before though where he huffs and puffs and stomps his feet (Tom McDonald) and has been made to look silly, so there's no reason why it won't happen again.

11 hours ago, leucopogon said:

Agree mostly with the op, except you take him out and nobody besides Jetta in the back half has any composure in traffic. I think we better not play both him and Vince again in the same side.

We are this year's Port, can't beat anyone in the top 8. Our lack of fight from the opening bounce was so incredibly disappointing. We're nowhere near ready for a serious crack at finals. Embarrassed to be a demon fan today, and to think I took day of annual leave so i could start home and watch that pitiful performance. Won't be doing that ever again.

With Vince and lewis we trade their composure leadership and kicking for speed below knees composure and player development

One line of argument is that yesterday was a bad day

Another is that we have some fundamental issues we have known about but papered over

Outside run backup to gawn height in defence

I wrote off Cox but more and more there are super tall fwds and the combo of lever omcd wont be enough

Im not giving up on this year after yesterday but im tempted to keep trying to develop young talent and Lewis and Vince stand in that path 

 

I’d agree with the OP if the subject was Vince. 

Lewis is providing far more right now than Vince. Maybe that says more about Vince than Lewis. 

Actually, I used to admire DeeSpencer's comments.

But I'm done with DeeSpencer's cheap comments.

I'm done with his know-it-all approach.

And I'm done with his vitriol.

Move on.

5 hours ago, dee-tox said:

The falling over and the slowness are a worry.

Our oldest Vince and Lewis were exposed. Our youngest in Spargo was also exposed.

I think Viney and Jones fell over more than anyone else. Do we get rid of them, too? Such hyperbole on this thread!

Yep, I’m done too.....with this thread!

Lewis was the least of our worries yesterday. This is heading down the same path as the thread titled “Lewis Broken Hand”. Some absolute carp on that and this isn’t far off.

12 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

The day it was all over red rover for Jordan/Jordie/Lewy/old fake hair

 

 

Still miss #4

 

But, DeeSpencer, stop the personal stuff - critique the play

Edited June 11, 20187 yr by jumbo returns

I thought Lewis was great yesterday. When I was watching off the footy he was invariably the designated loose in the absence of Lever and the fact we couldn’t afford to move Hibberd off Sidebottom.

Buckley really took Goodwin to school yesterday... but that is another thread.

In an interesting aside - Lewis has to do more than we would want him to do when Viney went down last year and now history may repeat with Lever. I am very comfortable having someone like him back there. Really think the OP doesn’t like him and is waiting for any and every to blast him. Sad.

Who are the replacements for Lewis and Vince though? Grape said it on the podcast a few weeks ago and he was right. We ideally would have other guys there but we don't have the guys who are ready to be those composed and steady BP/HBF types. Wanna throw Wagner into that role? Sure, its your funeral. 

what a joke of a thread

lol @ poll results.

He's been a great get. Did everything he could on the day. Gee some people are hard to please.

8 minutes ago, rpfc said:

I thought Lewis was great yesterday. When I was watching off the footy he was invariably the designated loose in the absence of Lever and the fact we couldn’t afford to move Hibberd off Sidebottom.

Buckley really took Goodwin to school yesterday... but that is another thread.

In an interesting aside - Lewis has to do more than we would want him to do when Viney went down last year and now history may repeat with Lever. I am very comfortable having someone like him back there. Really think the OP doesn’t like him and is waiting for any and every to blast him. Sad.

Excellent point. All coaches have to learn on the job and I hope yesterday was a useful learning experience for Goodwin.

1 minute ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Excellent point. All coaches have to learn on the job and I hope yesterday was a useful learning experience for Goodwin.

I hope he can start synthesising these lessons soon. Richmond, Hawks, Pies (also Pies R23 2017).

10% knocked off % is not useful. Especially after it took us so long to recover from Hawks/Tiges and build the buffer over 6 weeks.

What happened to the killer instinct?

Maybe the camp should have happened (lobs grenade and runs for cover).

 

 

 

 

jk on the last line!

Once it was decided to play Tom Mc forward Lewis' job during the preseason was to tutor Lever.  Early this year Lewis said "One of the gaps was a little bit of leadership down back...That's not to say that I'll play there next year but certainly throughout the pre-season, I think I'll train the majority of the time in the backline."

Once the season started, Lever was marshalling the backs under Lewis' wise eye - watching but not interfering (and I'm guessing there was a bit of post game debriefing). 

Now that Lever is out the marshalling role has reverted to Lewis and he did a fine job of it yesterday.  Very obvious at the ground not sure if so obvious on tv.

Yes, Lewis' weaknesses will be exposed but every player has some and every opp coach will work to exploit them.  Lewis has more positives than negatives so for me he stays until Lever returns.

@DeeSpenceryou are a fine reporter of training sessions and they are much appreciated.  From what you've seen if Lewis is dropped who takes over the marshalling role? 

Edited June 12, 20187 yr by Lucifer's Hero

Can not carry both Vince and Lewis we get showen up with leg speed. Hunt has too come back in if his form with casey has been sufficient enough.

14 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I'm done with this pretender being unable to stand any half decent forward with an ounce of leg speed or overhead ability.

I'm done with him falling over or giving away free kicks because he knows he's physically incapable of even halving the contest.

I'm done with his futile efforts to change direction.

I'm done with the way he picks up the ball protecting himself and only on his left side so he can't move on to his right.

I'm done with his handballs that go to grass.

I'm done with him taking kick outs despite only being able to kick 45 metres.

I'm done with his stupid fake hair.

I'm just absolutely done with Jordan Lewis.

Vote. Tell me where you stand. If you're sucked in by the stat padding that invariably occurs when he's a mile from his opponent or even playing 7 defenders then good for you. If you think some of his nice short kicks justify his ongoing selection then let me know.

Personally, I can't have the team playing a guy who will get so badly found out by a good team. I don't see what that achieves? I think we've got 2 really nice rebounding defender options in Hibberd and Salem who whilst not perfect are tough, courageous, pacy and can beat good opponents. They are the guys who should be getting 20 cheap kicks a game and around them we should have defenders who have the ability to actually defend.

Take a bex and lie down.

12 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

You need to go to the footy with some new people. Might've been third best for Collingwood.

Give it up and read your poll results.

15 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

When we are winning, he looks good.  He struggles to help us win.

isolated 1:1 he is burned every time.  He has to play the quarterback role, but when they man up and run off him, he is dreadfully exposed.

Quote of the year.

Our biggest weakness is foot speed entering our D50 from a quick play.

 

The club either has the balls now to get games into Frost and Hunt, or go down in flames in finals with Lewis and Vince plodding.

47 minutes ago, TGR said:

Quote of the year.

Our biggest weakness is foot speed entering our D50 from a quick play.

 

The club either has the balls now to get games into Frost and Hunt, or go down in flames in finals with Lewis and Vince plodding.

Yawn

If you are not a key defender, and probably even if you are, if you are playing in defence you need to be able to run and rebound. 

Lewis provides neither. Vince is not much better. Media types drool over their kicking but both are now prone to regular turnovers by foot. every opponent Lewis lines up on will beat him to a contest or run away from him.

I'd be happy to see both dropped with Petty and Hunt (if fit, was on crutches at the G) in. Petty allows Hibberd to play a more attacking role. Hunt to provide run and carry.