Why is Nev invisible to the umps (and Match Review)

[DEE fence 5,004]

I think Nev has demonstrated outstanding durability for the heavy physical work he does, but I am really over seeing him getting whacked with little or no consequence and reckon the club should ask a question about it. Last season it was a feeling, and this season I think it is something else. Except for one free yesterday, I think Nev gets bashed from pillar to post and doesn't get the frees he deserves and that quite a few of the shots he cops have been deserving of sanction. He has had concussion issues in his history and I would hate to see him finish before his time. Now I know I'll probably get yelled down for throwing petrol on embers, but I almost think the umpsMRP/MRO have a little subconscious racism, along the lines of ' he's a black fella and can cope'. I am at a loss to explain it any other way. I don't see him as someone who gives the umpires a earful either (the occasional grumble maybe) so that he has lost friends amongst officialdom. Anyway @Fairgo4Nev I reckon.   

[monoccular 17,417]

Well said ......  though the umpire advisor or spokesman or whatever will find an excuse each and every miss

[daisycutter 29,605]

7 minutes ago, DaisyDeeciple said:

...... Now I know I'll probably get yelled down for throwing petrol on embers, but I almost think the umpsMRP/MRO have a little subconscious racism, along the lines of ' he's a black fella and can cope'. I am at a loss to explain it any other way. .........

and so you should. you have given absolutely no reasons why nev or any other "black fella" has been judged with "subconcious racism" by "umps/mrp/mro". you should edit your op to remove such rubbish, or, back it up

[waynewussell 5,438]

Well done Daisy for calling it how it is... Nev is a niggly, pesty, clinger to opponents... even at MFC training. He is an A Grade stopper of small forwards and he he has more strings to his bow than that! Maybe the umps are bias towards the good stoppers!

[Satyriconhome 10,740]

Nev, would find the above hilarious, he gives as good as he gets, when I talk to him though we joke about the target he has on his head, pound for pound, or kilo for kilo,  he is one of the strongest at the club, hence why he finds himself on the 'big guys' as well

[Moonshadow 17,675]

13 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Nev, would find the above hilarious, he gives as good as he gets, when I talk to him though we joke about the target he has on his head, pound for pound, or kilo for kilo,  he is one of the strongest at the club, hence why he finds himself on the 'big guys' as well

During your cute pillow talk did he happen to indicate that he was ready to re-sign?

[Satyriconhome 10,740]

8 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

During your cute pillow talk did he happen to indicate that he was ready to re-sign?

With this being possibly his last 'big' contract, would assume he will do what is right for him and his family

I have tried 'begging' but that doesn't work with Nev?

[DEE fence 5,004]

25 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Nev, would find the above hilarious, he gives as good as he gets, when I talk to him though we joke about the target he has on his head, pound for pound, or kilo for kilo,  he is one of the strongest at the club, hence why he finds himself on the 'big guys' as well

Nev is stoic, without doubt, and not a sook which is obvious for all to see, It still doesn't explain to me why or justify what I think is a blind spot by officialdom. @daisycutter makes a fair point re proof, but note I use the term 'subconscious racism', because I am not arguing it is deliberate, I just honestly can't find an explanation that fits in the absence of another reason, and am looking to see what people think. I have no idea of how to get into peoples heads and prove anything one way or another, am just positing it, in the absence of a better explanation. I am happy to go with group think on whether people here think Nev gets a fair go? and if anyone else thinks he cops alot of dubious hits. If it is my bias to a player who I am a huge fan of then well, I will withdraw.

[Moonshadow 17,675]

1 hour ago, DaisyDeeciple said:

I think Nev has demonstrated outstanding durability for the heavy physical work he does, but I am really over seeing him getting whacked with little or no consequence and reckon the club should ask a question about it. Last season it was a feeling, and this season I think it is something else. Except for one free yesterday, I think Nev gets bashed from pillar to post and doesn't get the frees he deserves and that quite a few of the shots he cops have been deserving of sanction. He has had concussion issues in his history and I would hate to see him finish before his time. Now I know I'll probably get yelled down for throwing petrol on embers, but I almost think the umpsMRP/MRO have a little subconscious racism, along the lines of ' he's a black fella and can cope'. I am at a loss to explain it any other way. I don't see him as someone who gives the umpires a earful either (the occasional grumble maybe) so that he has lost friends amongst officialdom. Anyway @Fairgo4Nev I reckon.   

Hmm... I don't think the subconscious use of race in this instance is coming from the umpires.

 

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,805]

Don't fret people. The AFL taking a cue from Demonland perhaps.  Sam Day has been given a week for hitting Nev:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-round-8-match-review-steven-may-referred-to-tribunal-for-umpire-push-sam-day-suspended/news-story/a2cb3ffb07df29f1ff06fd3dbbd8fcaa

Edited May 13, 2018 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,805]

BTW I love Nev

Have been very happy to see him recover some of his best form in recient weeks after an average start to the season.

[ProperDee 1,698]

What the hell has Nev being indigenous got to do with him (apparently) not receiving protection from umpires?  “Black fella” WTF?

 

[DEE fence 5,004]

29 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Hmm... I don't think the subconscious use of race in this instance is coming from the umpires.

 

Spare me, just quoting one of the milder comments I have heard over the years, or do you really think I endorse that?

[DEE fence 5,004]

5 minutes ago, ProperDee said:

What the hell has Nev being indigenous got to do with him (apparently) not receiving protection from umpires?  “Black fella” WTF?

 

I was at a loss to explain why Nev had not been receiving a fair go from the umps, and was wondering of it was based on unconscious bias re race.The MRP has now made it clear I was wrong and everything is hunky dory...  Also for all of you having a go for using the term 'black fella' let me paste the words from one of my favourite Aussie  groups the Warumpi Band.

 

Black fella, white fella
It doesn't matter, what your color
As long as you, a true fella
As long as you, a real fella

All the people, of different races
With different lives, in different places
It doesn't matter, what your name is
We got to have, lots of changes

We need more brothers, if we're to make it
We need more sisters, if we're to save it

Are you the one that's gonna stand up and be counted
Are you the one who's gonna be there when we shout it
Are you the one that's always ready with a helping hand
Are you the one who understands these family plans

Black fella, white fella
Yellow fella, any fella
It doesn't matter, what your color
As long as you, a true fella

All the people, of different races
With different lives, in different places
It doesn't…

 

[Perago Validus 164]

12 minutes ago, ProperDee said:

What the hell has Nev being indigenous got to do with him (apparently) not receiving protection from umpires?  “Black fella” WTF?

 

Seems you're the one with the issue. 

Edited May 13, 2018 by Perago Validus

[daisycutter 29,605]

2 minutes ago, DaisyDeeciple said:

I was at a loss to explain why Nev had not been receiving a fair go from the umps, and was wondering of it was based on unconscious bias re race.The MRP has now made it clear I was wrong and everything is hunky dory...  Also for all of you having a go for using the term 'black fella' let me paste the words from one of my favourite Aussie  groups the Warumpi Band.

 

Black fella, white fella
It doesn't matter, what your color
As long as you, a true fella
As long as you, a real fella

All the people, of different races
With different lives, in different places
It doesn't matter, what your name is
We got to have, lots of changes

We need more brothers, if we're to make it
We need more sisters, if we're to save it

Are you the one that's gonna stand up and be counted
Are you the one who's gonna be there when we shout it
Are you the one that's always ready with a helping hand
Are you the one who understands these family plans

Black fella, white fella
Yellow fella, any fella
It doesn't matter, what your color
As long as you, a true fella

All the people, of different races
With different lives, in different places
It doesn't…

 

digging a hole mate, give it up

have you considered aliens, cia conspiracy or chinese submarines?

[Moonshadow 17,675]

I'm guessing Nev would laugh in your face if you said he was roughed up and not paid fees because of his race. He'd be laughing at you.

[DEE fence 5,004]

3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

digging a hole mate, give it up

have you considered aliens, cia conspiracy or chinese submarines?

Yeah, because asking (politely) if something might be unfair about race in Australia is on a par with conspiracy theories.

[Robbie57 2,020]

why is a low blow made intentionally assessed at one week only? It is dangerous and designed to incapacitate  a player. I still can't fathom how they missed the deliberate punch to his head last week. 

 

[Wrecker45 3,378]

In my 30 odd years of watching Melbourne I've never seen a player get hung onto, pushed and scragged like Neitz without receiving a free. Yet the moment he reteliated it was a free.

I'll probably get shouted down for this but I think it is a case of reverse racism.

[daisycutter 29,605]

2 minutes ago, DaisyDeeciple said:

Yeah, because asking (politely) if something might be unfair about race in Australia is on a par with conspiracy theories.

you said you had no proof but you couldn't think of anything else

should have taken my original advice and edited op

[DEE fence 5,004]

1 minute ago, Moonshadow said:

I'm guessing Nev would laugh in your face if you said he was roughed up and not paid fees because of his race. He'd be laughing at you.

Happy for him to laugh, was asking a question, not going to apologize for it, as I said previously, if I'm wrong I'll withdraw, just didn't think decisions his way have been fair and wanted to know if anyone else thought he was short changed and why?

[In Harmes Way 7,741]

I reckon the umps miss about 40 free kicks our way every week. 

And about three the other way.

i reckon it’s more because the umpires are elitist.

[Satyriconhome 10,740]

9 minutes ago, DaisyDeeciple said:

Happy for him to laugh, was asking a question, not going to apologize for it, as I said previously, if I'm wrong I'll withdraw, just didn't think decisions his way have been fair and wanted to know if anyone else thought he was short changed and why?

Keep an eye on Nev the next game, he is always in the face of the opposition, loves it when it is tough, surprisingly

As you saw if he gets belted, he usually buries one or two of the opposition legally during the rest of the game

Defenders always get the rough end of the pineapple with the umpires

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,805]

16 minutes ago, Robbie57 said:

why is a low blow made intentionally assessed at one week only? It is dangerous and designed to incapacitate  a player. I still can't fathom how they missed the deliberate punch to his head last week. 

 

Upon seeing the replay of this again, 1 week is way too lenient.  It wasn't just a gut punch, he's gone straight for and made good solid contact in the jatz crackers.  If this was to happen to Danger, Dusty or another big name player, it would be 3 to 4 weeks, without question.

I'm actually with @DaisyDeeciple  on this one that Nev (and the dog act it was) isn't getting the respect that he deserves.

Edited May 13, 2018 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter