On 05/08/2018 at 13:56, Vandenberger With The Lot said:

Bugg had a pretty bad track record though. Still, given that Brayshaw's season is over it will probably be 8

I'll defend Bugg here. He doesn't have a bad record.  As far as I am aware, last year is the only time he has ever been suspended.  I can't find any info about any other suspensions.  Only fines (for making contact with an injured Nick Reiwoldt, and for "saluting" the richmond cheer squad).

A lot of players have been suspended for hitting him though. He gets a bad go from the media.  He might be annoying but he has never over stepped the aggression line on the field before,  and he wasn't looking at Mills when he hit him in retaliation to bring hit from behind. 

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/an-extensive-rap-sheet-from-gws-giant-agitator-to-melbourne-enforcer/news-story/4bb65be2b05db80227ef6907c5bf4d95

  On 05/08/2018 at 14:04, Surfer Dee said:

Considering the injury, gotta be more than Bugg, right? I’d have no issue with 10 weeks. I’m expecting 8.

They have to take into account the injury. Match review aren't consistent though. 

  On 05/08/2018 at 14:07, Vandenberger With The Lot said:

Not at all what I said.

All I said is Bugg had a track record, I never defended what Gaff did or said he deserved less. I actually said he will get 8 if you had bothered to read my first comment.

You literally said hed been all over the media for the wrong reasons.

 

  On 05/08/2018 at 14:10, biggestred said:

You literally said hed been all over the media for the wrong reasons.

 

He had been in the media for all the wrong reasons.

I still didn't say he deserved a harsher penalty than Gaff. The point I was making is that the perception of the person will inevitably have an impact, even though it shouldn't. Much like when Rance threw an elbow in to the back of Jack Watt's head and got let off with a slap on the wrist

On the subject of getting Gaff at year's end, would we want to now? Not from a "we don't want those types of characters at our club" view point, but when Gaff does return to the field, just how much would this affect his game?

I get the impression that he is more on the introverted side of the scale, there'd be a good chance that when he returns he may be a shadow of what he has been due to being so shaken up by today's events.

Edited August 5, 20186 yr by Demon Disciple

  On 05/08/2018 at 13:51, Demonland said:

Here's "closer" vision. 

 

How can Adam Simpson come out and say he’s not sure that was an intentional hit? 

David King interviewed Gaff in the rooms and asked if it was a brain fade or an accident. Gaff didn’t make any excuses in reply, said he will be dealt with during the week.

  On 05/08/2018 at 14:13, Vandenberger With The Lot said:

He had been in the media for all the wrong reasons.

I still didn't say he deserved a harsher penalty than Gaff. The point I was making is that the perception of the person will inevitably have an impact, even though it shouldn't. Much like when Rance threw an elbow in to the back of Jack Watt's head and got let off with a slap on the wrist

It seems we are in fierce agreement on the second point.

  On 05/08/2018 at 14:08, Demonland said:

They have to take into account the injury. Match review aren't consistent though. 

I would expect this will be referred straight to the tribunal

  On 05/08/2018 at 14:14, Demon Disciple said:

On the subject of getting Gaff at year's end, would we want to now? Not from a "we don't want those types of characters at our club" view point, but when Gaff does return to the field, just how much would this affect his game?

I get the impression that he is more on the introverted side of the scale, there'd be a good chance that when he returns he may be a shadow of what he has been due to being so shaken up by today's events.

Agreed. Gaff may now become the Hunted. 

May lose all his Mojo to play elite level. 

It is a serious hit. The media will be intense

It knocked about $200k off his asking price, I'll tell you that much.

Gotta wonder if he'll stick with West Coast now.

I think getting out of WC and starting fresh is probably good for him. But maybe not into the Melbourne media fishbowl.

Personally I'd have him at Melbourne still.  But I'd want to seriously consider his mental health in the fall out of this incident. 

He wouldn't be a good fit at MFC now. Can't imagine Angus being too friendly after his young brothers injury. Disgraceful by Gaff. Probably get off with a reprimand. Remember, he is an Eagles player.

  On 05/08/2018 at 15:08, Bobby McKenzie said:

He wouldn't be a good fit at MFC now. Can't imagine Angus being too friendly after his young brothers injury. Disgraceful by Gaff. Probably get off with a reprimand. Remember, he is an Eagles player.

Currently on the same team as Hamish Brayshaw.  He’s got some uncomfortable conversations ahead of him whichever way he turns.

  On 05/08/2018 at 15:35, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Currently on the same team as Hamish Brayshaw.  He’s got some uncomfortable conversations ahead of him whichever way he turns.

Not if he goes to another Victorian club.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-05/simmo-not-sure-if-gaff-hit-was-intentional

Simpson has lost the plot.  Can a  coach be suspended for trying to influence the tribunal result with pure lies?  Never mind, maybe he is just a moron.

  On 05/08/2018 at 17:13, Petraccattack said:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-05/simmo-not-sure-if-gaff-hit-was-intentional

Simpson has lost the plot.  Can a  coach be suspended for trying to influence the tribunal result with pure lies?  Never mind, maybe he is just a moron.

You mean like Lyon saying the incident was 100m off the ball?

Simpson is a 

donkey

moron

cheat

liar

Gaff looked at Brayshaw and hit him INTENTIONALLY 

8 Weeks at minimum 

worse than Bugg and worse than Hall

Gaff should do twice the time of his victim.

 

Same as buggy. 6 weeks.

We can only have 1 thug on our team. Bugg out gaff in.

  On 05/08/2018 at 14:14, Demon Disciple said:

On the subject of getting Gaff at year's end, would we want to now? Not from a "we don't want those types of characters at our club" view point, but when Gaff does return to the field, just how much would this affect his game?

I get the impression that he is more on the introverted side of the scale, there'd be a good chance that when he returns he may be a shadow of what he has been due to being so shaken up by today's events.

Also how would Gus feel about playing side by side with the bloke who broke his little brothers jaws and flattened a bunch of his front teeth? I have a feeling each of the Brayshaws will have him in their sights next time they see him. They seems quite a tight bunch of brothers. 

I’m predicting 6 weeks. He was looking directly at him, it’s not an accident and young Brayshaw is gone for the year and in the hospital. I feel for Mrs Brayshaw, she’s just dealt with Gus’s concussion issues and now she sees this. Plus she’s got another son in the army!

Edited August 5, 20186 yr by Pates

Ok, so it's universally agreed that Gaff hit on Andrew Brayshaw was terrible, yet there's no outrage when posters talk about the Brayshaw boys having Gaff in their sights next year? Revenge is fine, I gather...

Posters wanting Simpson suspended, posters wanting Gaff deregistered, posters not wanting him to play at the Dees next year... you'll all clap excitedly when he runs out in red and blue next year (except SWYL, of course)

He should get 8 weeks - it was a terrible incident, much worse than Bugg’s IMO both as an incident and in respect of the injury it caused.

I’d still like to see Gaff in the red and the blue next year.

I otherwise hope Brayshaw recovers quickly and it has no impact on his confidence going forward.

 

It was a deliberate act unquestionably, but Gaff could not have expected his punch to have such a devastating outcome. When we call this a brain fade we mean a spontaneous yet deliberate act with unintended consequences. That's what this is, and it is out of character.

That won't prevent Gaff copping eight weeks as he should, but the character assassination around this is over the top. An otherwise talented ball player has a moment of madness. He is not Barry Hall, or Leigh Mathews for that matter.

But what does it do for our recruiting plans if he is realistically in our sights? He is cheapened goods, but playing alongside Angus could be problematic now. 

  On 05/08/2018 at 21:30, Pates said:

Also how would Gus feel about playing side by side with the bloke who broke his little brothers jaws and flattened a bunch of his front teeth? I have a feeling each of the Brayshaws will have him in their sights next time they see him. They seems quite a tight bunch of brothers. 

I’m predicting 6 weeks. He was looking directly at him, it’s not an accident and young Brayshaw is gone for the year and in the hospital. I feel for Mrs Brayshaw, she’s just dealt with Gus’s concussion issues and now she sees this. Plus she’s got another son in the army!

They had Jones on SEN this morning and he said Angus was quite shocked and upset from memory.

Good point about Mrs Brayshaw, a mother worries enough daily without having the footy issues she's dealt with, I hope she's doing OK too.

Edited August 5, 20186 yr by MSFebey

I suspect for him to play alongside Angus Brayshaw, he’d have to convince Angus (and the rest of the Brayshaw family) that he absolutely did not intend to injure Andrew in the way he did and that he is not otherwise a sniper/poor character.

Bugg and Angus Brayshaw appear to get on very well - perhaps Angus already has some insight into the effect that this can have on the perpetrator, especially if the harm was genuinely not intended.