9 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

McCartney was definitely in the box during the Brisbane game.

I can vividly recall him giving Goodwin an almighty death stare after we fell over the line, as the cameras captured it.

Yep I remember that clearly as well. Seems like more to the story here, like his dogs issues. As I said, been waiting for it but was hoping it wouldn’t.

7 hours ago, 3183 Dee said:

Anyone thought that maybe they were trying him back in the Coaches Box, but given what happened last week, they’ve moved him back down to the bench where he can get closer to the players?

Swap "the players" with "Weids"... moved himself  

1 hour ago, CBDees said:

He developed a group of Premiership players that Beveridge was the beneficiary of!

At first glance you could be tempted to think this but history and events suggest otherwise.

BM had a decent list as it were. Indeed part of that what his doing. Also of his doing was a lot of disenchantment and a big falling out with particular parts of the club and indeed its capt. 

Things were going that swimmingly that he couldn't get his lads up to pinch the choccies and eventually the Kennel chucked him out.

Bevo had the job of re-mastering the team and did so remarkably. Everyone there punched above their weight but proved unsustainable.

Riding coattails is a furphy

Kudos to Luke. He nursed his damaged goods into a very good team. Other coachs and teams have their measure now though. The pups pinched one and good on 'em. Wish we could.

Boils down to whether we still have confidence in Goodwin..and I , for one, still do. We're just so close to being a really good team atm. Let him get the coaches box just as he wants it so he can think through the style he wants to play with support. He's our coach and , for now, weve got to give him what he needs. Macca seems like a great shaper of young players...maybe the best going around. But in terms of strategy and handling of the more experienced players  I think he is down quite a few pegs. So, Im happy to have goody pulling the reins without interference. IF that is indeed what was happening! 

Edited April 23, 20186 yr by Wells 11

44 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

At first glance you could be tempted to think this but history and events suggest otherwise.

BM had a decent list as it were. Indeed part of that what his doing. Also of his doing was a lot of disenchantment and a big falling out with particular parts of the club and indeed its capt. 

Things were going that swimmingly that he couldn't get his lads up to pinch the choccies and eventually the Kennel chucked him out.

Bevo had the job of re-mastering the team and did so remarkably. Everyone there punched above their weight but proved unsustainable.

Riding coattails is a furphy

Kudos to Luke. He nursed his damaged goods into a very good team. Other coachs and teams have their measure now though. The pups pinched one and good on 'em. Wish we could.

I'd pay money to watch you say that to BMs face.

 

9 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Check the vision, he is aiways down on the bench, Roos was at the club 2 years ago, the whole set up has changed in that time, why woukd Macca who likes to be close to the action move into the bax, beggars belief.

This year he has been on the box, in previous years he was on the bench.

10 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Before we start jumping off the West Gate, again, let's wait and hear from a trusted source about issue first.  Right now all we know, from a rumour, is McCartney will be on the bench instead of the coaches box.  We know nothing else, regardless of what someone like Tom Morris (who has come up with some absolute shite this year) has to say on the matter.

Yes lets wait for Saty....

oh hang on...

2 hours ago, CBDees said:

He developed a group of Premiership players that Beveridge was the beneficiary of!

This is overated. The Kennel was a mess: lost their coach, captain, CEO and a few others in a short space of time. No one wanted to be there.

Beveridge turned it around very quickly but the reality is they made the finals and had a fantastic September. Have been ordinary since then.

This talk of 'McCartney being the genius behind the dog's flag' is rubbish. Yes he takes credit for developing some of their junior players but he was not liked down there and couldn't get them winning regularly.

The raps on him at Melbourne have been good but maybe there is some friction there with Goody seeing him interfering beyond his role. Or maybe things were simply working better when McC was on the bench. Who knows?

But what I do know is I hate seeing our name in the press for this stuff. It reeks of disharmony and when added to the pre-season camp stuff, that should NEVER have gone outside and should have been handled in-house, it worries me that things aren't rosy. Then when you see clear disfunction on the field it starts to smell more.... 

4 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

But what I do know is I hate seeing our name in the press for this stuff. It reeks of disharmony and when added to the pre-season camp stuff, that should NEVER have gone outside and should have been handled in-house, it worries me that things aren't rosy. Then when you see clear disfunction on the field it starts to smell more.... 

Tend to agree with this. There are just too many of these stories floating around to think that it is a happy camp at present. Hopefully there are just one or two dissidents who can quietly be ushered out the back door. If it is more widespread than one or two, then clearly there is a major problem that Jackson and Mahoney need to handle immediately.

1 hour ago, Unleash Hell said:

I'd pay money to watch you say that to BMs face.

 

You'd be mistaken if you think ppl haven't already.

30 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

This is overated. The Kennel was a mess: lost their coach, captain, CEO and a few others in a short space of time. No one wanted to be there.

Beveridge turned it around very quickly but the reality is they made the finals and had a fantastic September. Have been ordinary since then.

This talk of 'McCartney being the genius behind the dog's flag' is rubbish. Yes he takes credit for developing some of their junior players but he was not liked down there and couldn't get them winning regularly.

The raps on him at Melbourne have been good but maybe there is some friction there with Goody seeing him interfering beyond his role. Or maybe things were simply working better when McC was on the bench. Who knows?

But what I do know is I hate seeing our name in the press for this stuff. It reeks of disharmony and when added to the pre-season camp stuff, that should NEVER have gone outside and should have been handled in-house, it worries me that things aren't rosy. Then when you see clear disfunction on the field it starts to smell more.... 

Hahaha - classic internet paranoia / conspiracy theory - Made me chuckle here are more for you 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/27/jk-rowling-doesnt-exist-conspiracy-theories-internet-cant-resist

Josh Mahoney's response - SEN

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/04/23/demons-explain-mccartney-move-to-bench/

Morris is a typical journo.... 

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

This year he has been on the box, in previous years he was on the bench.

He's been doing both at various times during the games, the Club always says it tries different things,  the Club has killed the 'story', if there was one in the first place,  honestly talk about feeding the trolls on here

@jnrmac   before the game, find a dark room, have a lie down, you will never last the game, I have spoken privately to a couple of Digs players, nothing but praise for McCartney, and no it wasn't 'supporter talk' , prefer to believe the Bont,  who stated in publicly as well over you

Koolaid....get your Koolaid !! 

Edited April 24, 20186 yr by beelzebub

We can still panic though, can't we? Can't resist a good panic. Don't waste the opportunity!

2 hours ago, SFebey said:

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/04/23/demons-explain-mccartney-move-to-bench/

Mahoney says it’s vital the club displays our brand of football tonight, what if they don’t, sounds like an ultimatum.

3 hours ago, SFebey said:

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/04/23/demons-explain-mccartney-move-to-bench/

Again i wonder about the external communication by the dees. Add this to the growing list of communication blunders (the departure of watts, the camp, the silence after the round 23 pies game, the woeful website etc).

I mean as if in the AFL fishbowl that exists in Melbourne someone was not going to pick this story up (and really it is unbelievable it was a person contracted by the MFC who ran with it). Sheesh.

Comms 101 is to get ahead of stories, which could have easily happened in a casual, informal way. For eg mahoney booking a interview on the weekend  and responding to the inevitable question about how we respond to last weeks game, with an answer like:

 'We have looked at the game as an opportunity to improve all all aspects of how we go about things, including how we can better communicate key messages to our players when the opposition gets a run on. It is easy to forget how young our list is and we have two key leaders in TMac and Jack out so this week we are going to have Macca go back to his role that he played so brilliantly for the last 3 years as a key person communicating directly to players on the bench and conveying messages from the box'

Do we do this? No, instead once again we are reactive and in damage control.

And to be honest comments such as:

'That’s been the change and there isn’t much more to add to it than that.' begs the question 

'well perhaps there is not much more to add but i'm really interested in the bit you are leaving out '

Amateur hour.

Edited April 24, 20186 yr by binman

What's the confusion? I thought he was never in the box? 

If you don’t have faith in a coach, then would you really send him down to the bench where he can talk directly to the players the whole game?

 

think about it.

What worries me is that Goodwin and the other coaches don't think they are communicating down to the bench well enough. Why is this a concept we are struggling with? Are the players to blame? Do our coaches have a communication problem? Do they want Macca on the bench to help with tactical changes on the ground during quarters? 

Anyway if McCartney is in charge of both player and coach development, how can he develop coaches if he is not in the box on game day assessing what is going on, which is the most important part of any coaches' job. 

We have done pretty well with BM on the bench with the players and relaying the Coaches messages to them, why mess with a good system in the first place, makes no sense...............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Go You Mighty Demons tonight.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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“One thing we looked at was communication to the coach down to the bench and the result out of that was Brendan McCartney had been on the bench for the last two years and we thought he did a terrific job down there.

Why move him up to the box if he was doing such a terrific job for the past 2 years?

14 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Yes,  that is his Matchday role, he is never in the box, what a [censored] joke and the usual nuff nuffs on here  run with it.

 

He's been doing both at various times during the games, the Club always says it tries different things,  the Club has killed the 'story', if there was one in the first place,  honestly talk about feeding the trolls on here

@jnrmac   before the game, find a dark room, have a lie down, you will never last the game, I have spoken privately to a couple of Digs players, nothing but praise for McCartney, and no it wasn't 'supporter talk' , prefer to believe the Bont,  who stated in publicly as well over you

Mate you're a troll and have no idea what you're even talking about..

Edited April 24, 20186 yr by dazzledavey36