I cant see Petty being the answer,  he does not have the competitive mindset. Not sure if anyone listened to Mike Lombardi this morning on radio, it was excellent. He said, you can teach skill and game plans, but you cant instill competitiveness. Think Jack Watts as the perfect example.  Petty strikes me as being in that mould.

Though, at this stage of the year, we have no other option to keep with him, it wont hurt. 

Petty has a long long way to go before anything can be said, for mine Weideman can’t be judged on this season. It was a train wreck. Has to go around next year, hopefully starts preseason training now.  

28 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

I cant see Petty being the answer,  he does not have the competitive mindset. Not sure if anyone listened to Mike Lombardi this morning on radio, it was excellent. He said, you can teach skill and game plans, but you cant instill competitiveness. Think Jack Watts as the perfect example.  Petty strikes me as being in that mould.

Though, at this stage of the year, we have no other option to keep with him, it wont hurt. 

How on earth have you come to that conclusion???

17 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

How on earth have you come to that conclusion???

Fair comment and Mindset may have been the wrong word to be honest, i acknowledge that, its my perception of him that he is not an urgent, ultra competitive type, from the outside looking in, he may do so, but id argue that he is more on the laconic side.

I hope we stick with him for the next 4 weeks though, confidence is always one of the best tonics for form.

31 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

id argue that he is more on the laconic side.

What does it matter if he's a man of few words?

 

6 hours ago, demonstone said:

What does it matter if he's a man of few words?

 

Even fewer at the moment one would suspect !

8 hours ago, Demon3 said:

I cant see Petty being the answer,  he does not have the competitive mindset. Not sure if anyone listened to Mike Lombardi this morning on radio, it was excellent. He said, you can teach skill and game plans, but you cant instill competitiveness. Think Jack Watts as the perfect example.  Petty strikes me as being in that mould.

Though, at this stage of the year, we have no other option to keep with him, it wont hurt. 

What a stupid and ridiculous statement. 

Petty is still only 19 years of age and already holding up his end of the bargain. He will be a very good footballer in years to come.

You simply cannot get to AFL level football without being competitive. Crazy to say otherwise.

At 19, Petty has shown promise at both ends and has demonstrated he had a bit of mongrel about him. With good development and fitness I am confident he will become a very handy player.

Can we develop him and some of the other young players properly? It's one area in which we don't have a great record: development. 

Edited August 1, 20196 yr by Moonshadow

15 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What a stupid and ridiculous statement. 

Petty is still only 19 years of age and already holding up his end of the bargain. He will be a very good footballer in years to come.

whoa.. calm down mate. I cant see it yet, i just dont think he is going to make it but hope im wrong,  you obviously can, good luck to you, i sincerely hope you are right and i am wrong.

3 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

whoa.. calm down mate. I cant see it yet, i just dont think he is going to make it but hope im wrong,  you obviously can, good luck to you, i sincerely hope you are right and i am wrong.

I’m with Dazzle on Petty. He is our current best chance of a 3rd key forward and is still very young and raw. Imagine another 20 games and 5-6 kgs of muscle, with another pre season and you will have a good footballer. He can take a big grab and needs to improve his set shots and he will be ok for us. 

 

8 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I’m with Dazzle on Petty. He is our current best chance of a 3rd key forward and is still very young and raw. Imagine another 20 games and 5-6 kgs of muscle, with another pre season and you will have a good footballer. He can take a big grab and needs to improve his set shots and he will be ok for us. 

 

Hope so, i really do. 

petty gets knackered midway thru the third quarter currently, but he's hardly alone there

hopefully he can continue to develop and be our aaron naughton next year pls

Edited August 2, 20196 yr by whatwhatsaywhat

On 8/1/2019 at 11:27 AM, Demon3 said:

Fair comment and Mindset may have been the wrong word to be honest, i acknowledge that, its my perception of him that he is not an urgent, ultra competitive type, from the outside looking in, he may do so, but id argue that he is more on the laconic side.

I hope we stick with him for the next 4 weeks though, confidence is always one of the best tonics for form.

He kicked 3 against the dogs, should have kicked 3 against the Eagles and one against StKilda. Averaging over 2 a game in you your first 3 games as a forward at senior level ain’t that shabby. Worth bearing in mind the most “laconic” player I ever saw play was Peter Hudson.

On 8/1/2019 at 1:58 PM, demonstone said:

What does it matter if he's a man of few words?

 

I'm feeling a very strong sense of déjà vu

I'm not sold on Petty i have to say. Particularly as a forward.  

On 7/31/2019 at 2:16 PM, Little Goffy said:

Poor Sam.

Does anyone else sometimes look at his expression on field and just think 'this guy knows he is cursed'?

He clearly is cursed, but good on him for carrying on despite that.

 

Hogan says hello. Now that’s a kid who is cursed. 

Sam had a brilliant finals campaign and a few minor setbacks. He’s a skinny KPF with under 50 games experience. He has had the same up and down ride as most. 

48 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Hogan says hello. Now that’s a kid who is cursed. 

Sam had a brilliant finals campaign and a few minor setbacks. He’s a skinny KPF with under 50 games experience. He has had the same up and down ride as most. 

“Brilliant finals campaign” ? Please Jaded, you make it sound like he replicated Ablett Snr’s finals efforts in 1989. Weid had one one good game against Geelong on an off night for them. Hawks he was just okay. West Coast he barely registered a stat.

The rest of his career to date has been dreadful bordering on delist-worthy. And he’s not that skinny at all. No less so than Eric Hipwood, Aaron Naughton and Charlie Curnow who’ve shown ten times more ability at the level. 

Most indicators are pointing towards a bust.

 

Bump. 

Great article on Weid on AFL website. I'm not savvy enough to add it to this post but if someone could it would be great. 

Explains why he wasn't getting a game while we all screamed out for him earlier this year. 

What doesn't surprise me is who he turned to for help.... Steven May.

Many here have said it was a terrible trade getting him to the club, even a failed one especially after schooner gate,  but he is just the type of leader we need with a hard edge and no soft underbelly. 

Anyway great article if someone could upload it! 

 

 

https://www.afl.com.au/news/485512/why-wasn-t-weid-playing-dee-finds-answers-after-desperate-time

9 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/485512/why-wasn-t-weid-playing-dee-finds-answers-after-desperate-time

Makes it clear he had some things to work on to get back in the team.  He has done so and it has fuelled the fires to be competitive and stay in the squad.  Used May to help him get better (ie, develop, for those who say we don't develop players).  Also great leadership shown by May and Lever to help him on his path.  Now leading the marks inside 50/game stat.

A nice article.  

Great article. Matty Egan mentioned again. I'm liking what I'm hearing around him.

Those who want to criticize the May trade should read this. Not only was he instrumental in getting Harley Bennell to the club during the summer, he was also driving high standards in other players like Weid at the same time. No coincidence that Sam is now starting to beat most defenders in real games. May is having a pretty good year himself too with plenty more to give. I like Ben King too but the trade goes so much deeper than that IMO. 

Thanks for the link.

Hes starting to hit his straps. Must admit at 23 hes taken a little longer than most. Sure I am not alone in having doubts about him.

Hes an  exciting player and heres hoping that him and 18 yo Jackson become a great duo for the club.

 

2 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/485512/why-wasn-t-weid-playing-dee-finds-answers-after-desperate-time

bit of a puffpiece and still doesn't explain why he wasn't picked.

We all knew his faults and I doubt that a few training sessions fixed them.He needed matches.

The reality is that goodwin backed his inferior gameplan and lost.

Shades of repetition with his continual inclusion of AVB but that's for another thread.

People should read the article because he admits he was not agressive enough but when you watch his play now he is hitting packs at speed which helps and has gone from juggling marks to virtually a one grab player which makes him a much better player.

I think the time he spent on the outer with May and Lever may have helped him recover his confidence in his ability.

I had selected him in the team for round 2 Melbourne web site.